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Subject: Five-for-Five Impact? Author: Greenhorn [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 10:53:57 04/24/26 Fri Assuming it passes, it's hard to imagine the league goes along with the Joneses to grant athletes a 5th year of eligibility. So I'm not sure much changes. I guess the Ivies get slightly less competitive as other schools carry extra 5th year players. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: How We Will Ruin Amateur Sports Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:47:22 04/24/26 Fri Five-for-five will become six-for-five. You mark my words. We've already conditioned coaches and athletic trainers that they have six years to work with. The first time that some athlete suffers a horrific legitimate injury and then works like a dog to come back from it, becoming the feel-good story of the year, five-for-five will get a "one-time" exemption for six-for-five. Then that will become the standard -- for the rest of college athletics, that is. I agree with Greenhorn that our guys -- our eight guys who are actually mostly gals, in Massachusetts Hall and Nassau Hall -- are not going to accept this for us. Nor should they. College athletics is now three things: (1) Two sports, football and men's basketball, which are true revenue generators and, in about two dozen cases, actual profit centers. With NIL and the transfer portal, football and men's basketball will hurtle toward their logical conclusion. They will look and feel like businesses with every sad fringe "benefit": unions, collective bargaining, labor arbitration boards, et cetera. It will be an entertainment business with absolutely nothing to do with college, except the rental use of college sports facilities. (2) Some sports that will stay relatively unaffected, those with very little revenue potential and, more importantly, little ability to improve a college's media profile among the general public: crew, fencing, and the like. (3) A small number of hybrid sports that fall somewhere in between: women's basketball, men's lacrosse, baseball and softball. Five-for-six will become standard for Group (1) sports. Once it does, I don't see how you can keep it from being the law of the land for Group (2) and (3) as well. Then we will have made American higher education an extraordinarily expensive four-year process for 99% of students and a free or salary-generating six-year process for the 1% who happen to play a sport well. Yesterday afternoon, I sat in the stands watching my daughter's high school soccer game. My wife explained that one of the girls on the team no longer attends any classes in school. She takes all of her schoolwork online so that she'll have more time to practice soccer. My first reaction was, "That's awful. She's no longer a child, she's a product." My second reaction was, "That makes sense. That family is smart." We have ruined amateur sports. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Five-for-Five Impact? Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:57:27 04/24/26 Fri Personally, I'd expect that even if the Ivy did go with the five-for-five rule, the overwhelming majority of our players would use the extra eligibility year at a graduate school. And no--I do not expect the Ivy to ever lift its ban on grad students playing. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Five-for-Five Impact? Author: observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:30:21 04/25/26 Sat As long as Princeton doesn't have many graduate programs, there will never be grad eligibility in the Ivies. It would help Cornell, Columbia and Penn too much in the transfer market for HYP to approve. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Five-for-Five Impact? Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:51:57 04/28/26 Tue Why would H or Yale go along with P if they feel grad availability helps them? I forget the issue now, but Walters once told me he was outvoted 7-1 on a mattter of some, albeit lesser importance. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Five-for-Five Impact? Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:07:41 04/28/26 Tue Bengal, you have got to reach way back into the deep recesses of your brain to remember on what issue Walters was outvoted 7-1. There are a number of topics on which I would be honored to be outvoted by seven other Ivy League universities. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: My guess... Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:54:05 04/28/26 Tue ... Walters was the lone vote against implementing the Ivy League lacrosse tournaments. Can't imagine what else it would have been? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: My guess... Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:36:28 04/28/26 Tue If Walters voted against the first Ivy League postseason in-conference tournament -- that of men's lacrosse -- which was proposed by his own coach Bill Tierney, that would certainly be one reason why the latter decamped for Denver. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Five-for-Five Impact? Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:12:37 04/28/26 Tue It wasn’t that. It may have had to do with how the AI was applied, team by team or across the entire recruited class of athletes outside of football. I just can’t remember. I do remember him telling me we took fewer recruits than the League rules permit. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Five-for-Five Impact? Author: Ivy ivy [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:01:05 04/28/26 Tue Agreed. This could really actually benefit Ivies. So instead of those Princeton basketball players sitting out then going somewhere else, they could play 4 full years and still have another year to play elsewhere. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Who Does This Help? Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:11:46 04/28/26 Tue Excellent point, Ivy Ivy. Right now, the outbound transfer portal acts as a sort of restrictor plate on the most aggressive recruiters in the Ivy League, most specifically Tommy Amaker. He recruits better players than the other Ivies, then loses them when they turn out to be just as good as advertised. This will help Amaker somewhat, as he can now pitch the "Harvard for four, Big Ten or ACC for one" plan. The real benefit will be for James Jones and Mitch Henderson, maybe Brett McConnell if he was the assistant who reeled in Tosan, Lee and Pierce. Yale and Princeton have had the problem where guys come in, develop and then become much BETTER than advertised. They leave for Michigan and Florida. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Texas Tech Quarterback Sues NCAA for Right to Play Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:02:47 05/18/26 Mon Texas Tech incoming transfer quarterback Brendan Sorsby is suing the NCAA and seeking an immediate injunction to allow him to play this upcoming 2026 season. The NCAA had permanently banned Sorsby for placing over 10,000 wagers on a variety of teams in a variety of sports, including bets on his own Indiana University team while he was a redshirt freshman and therefore not on the field. This will get interesting for all the wrong reasons. In the new NIL and transfer era, Sorsby is functionally a employee of the Texas Tech NIL collective. Indeed, he is transferring in pursuant to a $4-5 million one-year contract with the Red Raider NIL collective. Well, in the United States of America, courts generally will allow a potential employee who wants to work for a desirous employer to do so. That's why non-compete agreements are so hard to enforce. In the US, you wanna work, you generally get to work. Now here comes this kid who says, "You're costing me the opportunity to make $4-5 million this year just because I have a gambling problem. Being a gambling addict shouldn't preclude me from making a living." This is where we will arrive once it is clear that college athletes are now employees of their NIL collectives. All the vestiges of "student" in the term "student-athlete" will be swept away soon. This kid is saying, "I have a right to work. You have no right to prevent me from doing so." [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Texas Tech Quarterback Sues NCAA for Right to Play **THIS IS MY JOB** Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:09:40 05/19/26 Tue Sorsby is not exactly a sympathetic figure, insofar as he clearly is a problem gambler. Indeed, that's part of his defense: "I have a medical problem. I'm an addict." Maybe that unsympathetic image will hurt his case in court. Maybe it won't, in that people who appear guilty are not convicted all the time, because they have rights and escape on technicalities. Maybe Sorsby will prevail on his legal argument, even though he does not deny that he did, in fact, gamble and gamble bigly. But there will be other athletes who will sue for the right to play on other grounds. What about these arguments: "Why should I only receive one year for a medical redshirt? I was injured for two. I have the medical records to prove it." "Why should the NCAA be allowed to cap my participation in intercollegiate sports -- at all? This is my job. I have a right to earn a living." [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: messed up Author: Lion rooter [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:18:38 05/19/26 Tue the world has turned upside down - he gambled ON HIS OWN TEAM? So ridiculous - to think Jim Thorpe lost his medals - which were reinstated I believe -- for so much less - a semipro baseball team was it ? What coach would want a kid like that on their team? I even read that some Fordham U mens hoops players were implicated in point shaving etc. It's a cardinal sin IMHO - [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Texas Tech Quarterback Sues NCAA for Right to Play **THIS IS MY JOB** Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:15:22 05/19/26 Tue "What coach would want a kid like that on their team?" A coach who stands to earn a sizable bonus for making the championship playoff tournament (or, to avoid losing his job and multi-million salary for not making the tournament) and needs a good QB. I could be wrong, but I believe this covers a majority of coaches. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: NAACP Urging Black Athletes to Boycott Southern Universities Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:05:08 05/19/26 Tue The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, one of the most historic and credible civil rights organizations, just dropped a press release urging African-American athletes to boycott universities in eight Southern states, from Texas right across the former Confederacy to Florida, Georgia and South Carolina. The goal is to protest last month's Supreme Court decision which has prompted a wave of gerrymandering across the South since then. The boycott will be centerpiece of a larger campaign called, "Out of Bounds." https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/48817262/naacp-calls-boycott-southern-states-voting-rights In this case, the NAACP is essentially acting in the role of a labor union, encouraging its affiliated "employees" to start a labor action against their employers. This is where I see college sports heading. Athletes eventually will organize into unions and negotiate collective bargaining agreements with their university employers. These CBAs will give the employees lots of rights that we could have never imagined before. A coach wants to kick a player off the team for missing too many practices? Hold on a minute, now you're preventing a union member from earning their weekly paycheck. The union is not going to stand for that. The union will step into the situation, just as the PBA does when a police officer shoots someone on the street. Once we broke the old model where student-athletes were not employees (as courts ruled against the Dartmouth basketball players who said that they WERE employees), we entered a middle ground where jocks were not pure students, but rather quasi-employees. Many "quasi" middle grounds are unsustainable. Market forces will push any intermediate status toward its most sustainable, defendable position. In this case, college athletes as students is not defendable. There's way way too much money involved. Therefore, college athletes will move toward a status which is sustainable, which is a full-on employee. College sports will soon have absolutely nothing to do with college. These will be full entertainment businesses, partially owned by private equity and other investors, which just rent stadia and on-campus arenas from their university owners and wear a uniform that says Duke or Vanderbilt on it. Say goodbye to college sports with real students learning real academic subjects. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Women's groups tried the same thing after Dobbs Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:55:04 05/19/26 Tue If their efforts had any impact, I didn't notice it.... [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Women's groups tried the same thing after Dobbs Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:36:29 05/20/26 Wed Then again, maybe it did have an effect? https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2025/09/18/womens-basketball-recruiting-state-abortion-laws/ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: NAACP Urging Black Athletes to Boycott Southern Universities Author: The Mountain Lion [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:42:52 05/20/26 Wed The NAACP's proposal for outstanding Black Athletes to boycot Southern Schools like Florida, South Carolina, Alabama and Georgia appears to be very well thought out and will assist greatly major football schools elsewhere in the country such as Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Syracuse and Boston College, who the NAACP seriously contends have been victimized by the overpayments by Southern Schoools to Blacj Athletes. I cannot see this having much impact on the Ivy League. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Not sure about Ohio Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:53:50 05/20/26 Wed More like California, Oregon, Washington, Colorado, etc... But like the women basketball players, we probably won't be able to tell if the boycott calls are having any impact until a few years from now... [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Not sure about Ohio Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:35:42 05/20/26 Wed The winner of the FBS national championship is a narrow, small sample size dollop of data, but it does feel as if the tide has already turned in favor of the Big Ten, away from the SEC. Let's wait for a few more data points, but this bears watching. Many of us simply assumed that the SEC's prior dominance was structural, because geographically they sat on top of where the great African-American athletes were found. Now NIL is shaking up the snow globe and the NAACP wants to further the shift. The NAACP does not need to maintain this so-called boycott for many years. Simply putting their thumb on the scale at this time of tremendous change might still have a long-term effect. We'll see but, as GG says, it may be hard to determine the impact of the NAACP because there are so many moving parts already. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Going to be tough... Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:49:02 05/20/26 Wed It's not easy to get young people engaged in politics, no matter how much it may affect them down the line.... It's even harder when they have an offer to play football for Alabama or Texas... [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Going to be tough... Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:59:17 05/20/26 Wed It's not easy to get any people, regardless of age, engaged in politics, no matter what serious constitutional and democratic threats are involved. If there's one thing we seen over the last decade, it's that the average American cannot see past his or her immediate future. If eggs cost $5 a dozen instead of $3, that's an issue, regardless of any bigger and more important issues hanging over the nation's future. We'll see if the same nearsightedness applies when it's gas that cost $5 a gallon, instead of $3. Remember when Americans were outraged and demanded that the President resign because he lied to them? Nixon seems like a happy memory now. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: NAACP Urging Black Athletes to Boycott Southern Universities Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:55:41 05/20/26 Wed Whatever impact, if any, on African Americans’ college decisions, this will have virtually no impact on what those state legislatures do regarding redistricting. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: NAACP Urging Black Athletes to Boycott Southern Universities Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:06:32 05/21/26 Thu Probably. But drubbings in football by integrated colleges helped to remove barriers in team rosters in the football-mad south. https://bit.ly/ann-news [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: NAACP Urging Black Athletes to Boycott Southern Universities Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:45:10 05/21/26 Thu Bear Bryant intentionally scheduled a 1970 *HOME* game against a powerful integrated USC team featuring an all-black backfield including Sam "Bam" Cunningham, knowing that a probable loss at Legion Field would serve as a conspicuous signal to the Alabama faithful that staying an all-white program would necessarily mean decline and eventual irrelevance in college football. Cunningham and USC ran all over Alabama, so Bryant had his desired signature loss. He soon got his desired integrated team. I often think about what race relations in this nation would be like if African Americans were not great athletes. Imagine what this country would look like if our history and everything else were the same, but black athletes ran no faster or jumped no higher than their white counterparts. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: NAACP Urging Black Athletes to Boycott Southern Universities Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:27:38 05/22/26 Fri Agreed. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]