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Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season Author: Tiger69 [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 11:41:19 06/22/24 Sat In reply to: Ghost 's message, "Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season" on 13:48:55 06/19/24 Wed Ghost: I think that we are pretty much in agreement. I don’t expect that we want to appeal to the potential pro prospect or even to most power school level players. So, we get a crappy NCAA seed. With a well coached, cohesive team of 4 year players, we may pull an occasional upset. The Ivy Crown is enough for me. If we get lucky and find a 2* or better athlete who enrolls to STAY, maybe he gets a few bucks from local endorsements. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season Author: Tiger81 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:33:22 06/22/24 Sat I am with you. It was fun to live in the era launched by Coach Amaker and see the Ivies start to land big-time talent and challenge the big boys with their one-and-done rosters. But with the free agent, professional era that is now upon us the league cannot preserve its values if it follows that path. And even if it tried, the power conferences will always have more to offer athletes who put a higher priority on the level of competition to get get to the NFL or NBA and the big bucks that go along with that. I can live with the scenario T69 outlined if the alternative is abandoning the Ivy League’s mission and commitment to a true student-athlete experience for its sports teams. That value proposition will still appeal to many recruits who will be fun to watch for Ivy fans and put an occasional scare into the cobbled-together all-star teams from State U.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season Author: observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:00:21 06/23/24 Sun You guys aren't reading the tea leaves. It's not us who don't want to be part of their game, it's them that don't want us. Through House, we are overpaying to continue to be part of what will soon become a 72-team (or 96-team) tournament, with all the little sister conferences relegated to the Dayton play-in round. Eventually, that too will go away. Keep the ostrich thinking...

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season Author: Tiger69 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:52:29 06/24/24 Mon So I’m an ostrich. I’ll stick to our values. As long as the rest of the IL joins us, we’ll do fine by ourselves. Maybe some other schools will eventually become disenchanted with big $ professionalism of college sports and join us.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: We already said "no" to Colgate Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:04:30 06/24/24 Mon https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1973/5/9/ivy-schools-deny-colgate-bid-to/

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: We already said "no" to Colgate Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:32:55 06/24/24 Mon I give credit to Colgate for asking. Can you imagine the effect on Colgate University the academic institution if the Ivies had accepted their request to join our conference? It would have been transformational. Unbelievably, Dr Pepper has passed Pepsi as the second most popular soft drink in the United States. Brand names that we take as fixed somewhere on the food chain do in fact move up and down, sometimes dramatically. Could you imagine a Colgate or a Bucknell or a Johns Hopkins after half a century as an Ivy League university?

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I give them credit, too Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:56:54 06/24/24 Mon You never know unless you ask! I can only imagine how much schools like Lehigh, Bucknell, Holy Cross, Georgetown, etc. would be kicking themselves if the Ivy had said "yes" to Colgate...

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season Author: observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:49:01 06/24/24 Mon NESCAC here we come.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season Author: Diogenes (observer) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:37:39 06/25/24 Tue More to your point: "NESCAC here we are". Except for Lacrosse, Hockey, Rowing and Wrestling, the Ivies are now the "shape-shifters" of collegiate athletics.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season Author: observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:41:52 06/25/24 Tue Even Hockey and Lacrosse only got the AQ this year. And didn't show that well... And Men's Rowing isn't an NCAA sport anyway.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:54:34 06/25/24 Tue "And Men's Rowing isn't an NCAA sport anyway." So one cannot grouse about rowing being a step behind big-time athletic factories.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season Author: observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:56:41 06/25/24 Tue It's not like the Ivies dominate women's rowing over the past decade... https://www.ncaa.com/history/rowing/d1

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season Author: SpuytenDuyvil76 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:12:51 06/25/24 Tue The big state universities have, with women's rowing, done a much better job of recruiting non-US students. It would be interesting to compare the respective football and women's crew budgets at these institutions. Note also with exceptions of U of W, Berkley and Stanford, none of the schools boat varsity men's crew. Kudos to Brown for what they've achieved. Brava to the state schools for giving our Olympic opponents unparalleled 4-year training.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season Author: observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:30:40 06/25/24 Tue Don't kid yourself. Many Ivy boats are foreign-born.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: disappointing upcoming Ivy basketball season Author: SpuytenDuyvil76 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:12:11 06/26/24 Wed For the men, yes. On the women's side, not to the same proportion.