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Subject: Penn Head Coach? Author: Asiasunset [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 07:28:43 12/13/25 Sat Internet chatter suggests that Ricky Santos will be named the new head coach at Penn, perhaps as early as today. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: Penn Head Coach? Author: Penn Nation [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:20:15 12/13/25 Sat Looks like a good coach selection. He'll probably bring many of his assistants with him.

[> [> Subject: Re: Penn Head Coach? Author: Asiasunset [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:20:41 12/13/25 Sat It’s Santos. Penn just issued a release.

[> Subject: Re: Penn Head Coach? Author: Son of Eli [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:21:37 12/13/25 Sat It’s official. Great hire by Penn. I wonder what motivated him to leave UNH. It’s basically a lateral move. Did Penn throw money at him?

[> [> Subject: Re: Penn Head Coach? Author: Penn Nation [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:53:13 12/13/25 Sat More money.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Penn Head Coach? Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:55:04 12/13/25 Sat Santos was a heck of a player. But UNH seemed to take a step down when he took over as coach (admitteldy, under difficult circumstances). Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but I'm not sure he's that much of an upgrade.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Penn Head Coach? Author: GP [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:15:03 12/13/25 Sat What’s interesting is that he turned down the Columbia job two years ago to now take the Penn job.

[> Subject: Re: Penn Head Coach? Author: GP [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:12:38 12/13/25 Sat Ivy League jobs are the closest thing to ‘real’ college football that still exists. No NIL in recruiting and nearly no concern of players leaving prior to completing four years. You are able to truly build a program unlike anywhere else in the country at the moment. And, yes, he likely got a nice raise.

[> [> Subject: Re: Penn Head Coach? Author: Son of Eli [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:36:04 12/13/25 Sat I think that the Ivies being able to compete in the playoffs now also helped to land him.

[> [> Subject: Re: Penn Head Coach? Author: Tsar Bomba [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:26:41 12/13/25 Sat "...nearly no concern of players leaving prior to completing four years." Malachi Hosley begs to differ. I'm sure he's much more the exception, but I don't think the Ivies are secure from Power Five schools poaching there best players.

[> [> Subject: Re: Penn Head Coach? Author: Gp [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:48:28 12/13/25 Sat I’m fully aware one running back transferred. The elite of the elite obviously might get poached. It’s certainly annoying when it happens. My point is that this is a far cry from literally your entire roster viewing themselves as free agents on a yearly basis. Frustrated 2nd string underclassmen are hitting the portal all over the country. They aren’t at ivys. Solid underclassmen starters are looking to go from the NEC to the CAA or from the CAA to the MAC. This isn’t happening at ivys. He literally never knew which of his scholarship players would be on the team the following season at UNH. Trying to run a ‘program’ with that level of uncertainty is insane and is not something he will have to deal with at Penn

[> [> Subject: Re: Penn Head Coach? Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:02:56 12/14/25 Sun There is NIL, just not as large as elsewhere. And not only elite players are forgoing 4 years. Hosley was not even the only Penn RB to transfer when he did. Forced Penn to convert a WR to RB. A larger number of athletes are forgoing a fourth year to play as a graduate student rather than take time off for injury and stay. Villanova had an P WR named Collela and Youngstown state had a Y player in the playoffs as 2 random examples. And you might ask your HC if he is telling any frosh recruits he will only play them 4 games as a frosh to facilitate an NIL grad year elsewhere. Not the same as a full year lost and only matters for a few recruits perhaps but a reflection of the NIL impact that never happened before.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Penn Head Coach? Author: GP [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:52:32 12/14/25 Sun The strategy to land the best recruits is promise them they will ‘red shirt’ year one, spend 3 years on the field, get their Ivy League diploma and then hit the portal in hopes of P4/FBS and some NIL money. That still leaves you having 4 years with 95% of players who don’t decided to quit and become normal students. This is utopia compared to the rest of FCS football and much of FBS football. This, and life in an actual metropolitan area, are why a guy like Santos leaves UNH.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Penn Head Coach? Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:27:41 12/14/25 Sun Agreed; also I would not be surprised if he concluded that UNH would always be lagging in NIL relative to competition and expected results, whereas at ivys he has a guaranteed level field.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Penn Head Coach? Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:09:41 12/14/25 Sun True not as bad as outside the Ivies. I was responding to the second sentence in your initial post on the subject which I believe is inaccurate in the first instance and increasingly overstated (or understated, depending on one’s point of view)in the latter. And there is a somewhat increased number of people opting for more than one year outside of the Ivies. Just now, in a very random example, a P DB who is a good player but I believe lost a season to injury, filed for the portal with 2 years left. Bing the second Penn RB I noted earlier had 3 years. I don’t disagree this is better than much of the rest of Div. 1 but I don’t think it is as rosy as you painted it. And I think it will get worse. Off the top, I can think of the nil/no 1 year wait change affecting 3 P women’s sports in the last year. Basketball, volley ball and ice hockey.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Penn Head Coach? Author: Gp [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:12:18 12/14/25 Sun Turning down a Princeton degree for NIL in women’s sports is very surprising. I didn’t know that was happening. Did they transfer somewhere such as Northwestern, Duke, Rice, Notre Dame, etc where they will be on full scholarship and still get a top tier degree? That’s where I see the portal being the biggest threat to football. No debt, a Duke degree and monthly deposits hitting the checking account starts looking pretty appealing. Fortunately for us, there are only a few schools outside of the ivys that are close enough in academic reputation to pull that off.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Penn Head Coach? Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:28:46 12/14/25 Sun UVA and Minnesota. Haven’t tracked down the third one.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Penn Head Coach? Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:35:30 12/14/25 Sun Ah, Vanderbilt.

[> Subject: Re: Penn Head Coach? Author: Old Lion (Santos) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:32:35 12/14/25 Sun Santos was an assistant and the QB coach at Columbia a few years ago. My recollection is that he was very highly regarded.

[> [> Subject: Why not Chip? Author: Ivy Inquisitior [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 00:35:38 12/15/25 Mon Nearly two years ago Chip Kelly expressed interest in the Harvard coaching position. They selected Andrew Aurich and to this point has been a brilliant decision. Traditionally year three is telling. Did Andrew Aurich benefit in the same fashion as Ray Priore? I doubt it but we'll see. I have the feeling a few coaches on Penn's wishlist declined . Bringing in Rick Santos seems like an odd choice. At the moment, I can't see how he will advance Penn football- a program that has platued for a decade. Chip Kelly would have been the one to rejuvenate interest in a program that has become stale. UConn did not seen to have any interest in Chip Kelly. UNH looks like the perfect landing spot for Chip. I understand The quick NIL stipends are lucrative. Why haven't we seen any "double dip"? By going to a athletic factory to get a sizable NIL deal ,then return to their original Ivy institution? There'll have to be some academic planning in transferring course work on and out. Andrew Hatch proven it can be done.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Why not Chip? Author: Fear the Quaker [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:45:06 12/15/25 Mon I think bringing Chip Kelly back to Philadelphia would not have been a good idea. He left the Eagles under a dark cloud. I like that the choice was a young coach. He has led a winning program. Go Quakers and enjoy the holidays

[> [> Subject: Re: Penn Head Coach? Author: Penn Nation [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:21:46 12/15/25 Mon Chip Kelly is way overrated and would have been a poor choice. He also hates recruiting.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Penn Head Coach? Author: Hdallmar [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:18:13 12/15/25 Mon Indiana QB wins Heisman. Former Yale commit.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Don't get us started... Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:30:49 12/15/25 Mon We can go on forever with the "what could have been..." stories. :)

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Don't get us started... Author: HDallmar [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:58:09 12/15/25 Mon Bill Bradley was a Duke commit.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Don't get us started... Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:23:03 12/15/25 Mon Daniel Jones was a Princeton commit. Does that make you guys even?

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: For Dartmouth... Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:01:07 12/15/25 Mon The best of our "near misses" are Matt Slater and Aeneas Williams.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Jason Garrett? Author: Ivy Inquisitor [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:35:41 12/17/25 Wed Recently, there's Been four coaching openings. Jason Garrett's name didn't come up. Two to three years ago, he was courted by Stanford, but he showed no interest. He played freshman football at Columbia and played three years at Princeton. Given his Ivy background, his dad and brother were college coachs and his NFL head coach experience, isn't he worth a look or is his desire to coach behind him?

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Jason Garrett? Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:25:45 12/17/25 Wed Garrett is probably making mid-seven figures as a broadcaster for NBC. I mean, it never hurts to ask. But he must REALLY want to coach again to give that up...

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Jason Garrett? Author: Ed S. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:00:12 12/17/25 Wed Exactly, his coaching days are over.

[> Subject: Note to GP Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:03:51 12/18/25 Thu As an addendum to the NIL discussion we had: the P woman VB player, an Ivy POY, I believe, who left for Vanderbilt, is now moving on to Florida.

[> [> Subject: Re: Note to GP Author: GP [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:19:47 12/19/25 Fri Bengal, I appreciate this information. I find the current state of NIL and the transfer portal's impact on roster composition/program building fascinating. I used to work in intercollegiate athletics and have many close friends that still do. Florida is always selling itself as one of the best public universities in the country but it is a far cry from Vandy and Princeton as far as prestige goes. In a vacuum, the Princeton to Vandy transfer makes sense for all of the reasons I mentioned earlier; similar academic prestige, no debt, higher level of competition, perhaps some NIL. Unless this Vandy to FL transfer is as a grad student, I would imagine it came with a pretty substantial NIL bump (way to go women's volleyball!). Either way, what an interesting landscape at the moment.

[> [> Subject: Donor Exuberance, Donor Fatigue Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:01:15 12/19/25 Fri There are only two college sports which make money for even a substantial plurality of program sponsors today, those being football and men's basketball. As we've discussed, with all the "fuzzy math" associated with the income statement of individual athletic departments, to say nothing of individual sports within a department, who knows who's actually making money? Having said that, I watched a short video clip in which a four sports investors were asked to predict which sport could next make money on a consistent money. Three of the four capital allocators answered, "Women's volleyball." These women are fantastic athletes, the action is very continuous and many of them are not difficult to look at. Having said *THAT*, right now you're seeing, in the immortal words of noted sports investor Alan Greenspan, "irrational exuberance" in NIL funding. Every wannabe athletic department is just starting to hit up its biggest donors to "help us land the next great recruit." Exhibit A: Texas Tech. Give it a decade or two, after these rich donors have been asked for more money again and again and again. You're gonna see donor fatigue. And when you get donor fatigue, you get James Franklin at Penn State and Brian Kelly at LSU.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Donor Exuberance, Donor Fatigue Author: observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:30:21 12/19/25 Fri The donor fatigue isn't around the corner. There are only 32 NFL teams. There are 50-60 programs that have alumni that aren't rich enough to buy into the NFL, but can make big programmatic gifts for college sports, especially football. If you think the rich Michigan alums will let the owner of Rocket Mortgage (among others) make Sparty bigger and better than the Maize and Blue... The donor fatigue at LSU and PSU had to do with the personality of the coaches and their performances. Not the balance of the donor accounts. That said, take away the tax benefit for gifts to a not-for-profit... and then the gravy train dries up. That's another reason why USC and UMich don't want to take the PE money. Once it's a business, then Mr. Class of '54 doesn't see a reason to be as generous to the team as he does the library... or his prep school.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Donor Exuberance, Donor Fatigue Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:45:39 12/20/25 Sat As I sit here watching over 100,000 screaming maniacs squeezed into magnificent Kyle Field, I'm not going to tell you that you're wrong. There *IS* a lot of money sloshing around donor groups. And for places like A&M, "donor" doesn't just mean alumnus. It includes local businesses and just regular people who can talked into opening their checkbooks. Kyle Field was renovated for $484 million, on time and under budget. Of course, when your budget is $485 million, you've got some room to work. We'll see how the spending grows and then does or does not subside once the novelty of NIL wears off. Giving money to enclose Kyle Field feels like investing in a capital expenditure, a long-lived capital asset. Somewhere in the concourse, there's probably a plaque with your name on it. Giving money to an NIL program is funding an operating expense, a line item on the income statement that will be history by season's end. Seems to feel like a different thing, but obviously I'm not representative of the 100,000 people in Kyle Field right now.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Donor Exuberance, Donor Fatigue Author: DFW HOYA [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:24:26 12/20/25 Sat The Kyle Field renovation was built on seat licenses and donor support--no institutional debt was undertaken. Even amidst a $20 billion endowment (eighth largest overall, more than UC-Berkeley or Michigan) former students at Texas A&M give at an percentage rate closer to many private schools than larger publics.