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Subject: Re: Penn Head Coach? Author: GP [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 11:12:38 12/13/25 Sat In reply to: Asiasunset 's message, "Penn Head Coach?" on 07:28:43 12/13/25 Sat Ivy League jobs are the closest thing to ‘real’ college football that still exists. No NIL in recruiting and nearly no concern of players leaving prior to completing four years. You are able to truly build a program unlike anywhere else in the country at the moment. And, yes, he likely got a nice raise. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: Re: Penn Head Coach? Author: Son of Eli [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:36:04 12/13/25 Sat I think that the Ivies being able to compete in the playoffs now also helped to land him.

[> [> Subject: Re: Penn Head Coach? Author: Tsar Bomba [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:26:41 12/13/25 Sat "...nearly no concern of players leaving prior to completing four years." Malachi Hosley begs to differ. I'm sure he's much more the exception, but I don't think the Ivies are secure from Power Five schools poaching there best players.

[> [> Subject: Re: Penn Head Coach? Author: Gp [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:48:28 12/13/25 Sat I’m fully aware one running back transferred. The elite of the elite obviously might get poached. It’s certainly annoying when it happens. My point is that this is a far cry from literally your entire roster viewing themselves as free agents on a yearly basis. Frustrated 2nd string underclassmen are hitting the portal all over the country. They aren’t at ivys. Solid underclassmen starters are looking to go from the NEC to the CAA or from the CAA to the MAC. This isn’t happening at ivys. He literally never knew which of his scholarship players would be on the team the following season at UNH. Trying to run a ‘program’ with that level of uncertainty is insane and is not something he will have to deal with at Penn

[> [> Subject: Re: Penn Head Coach? Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:02:56 12/14/25 Sun There is NIL, just not as large as elsewhere. And not only elite players are forgoing 4 years. Hosley was not even the only Penn RB to transfer when he did. Forced Penn to convert a WR to RB. A larger number of athletes are forgoing a fourth year to play as a graduate student rather than take time off for injury and stay. Villanova had an P WR named Collela and Youngstown state had a Y player in the playoffs as 2 random examples. And you might ask your HC if he is telling any frosh recruits he will only play them 4 games as a frosh to facilitate an NIL grad year elsewhere. Not the same as a full year lost and only matters for a few recruits perhaps but a reflection of the NIL impact that never happened before.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Penn Head Coach? Author: GP [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:52:32 12/14/25 Sun The strategy to land the best recruits is promise them they will ‘red shirt’ year one, spend 3 years on the field, get their Ivy League diploma and then hit the portal in hopes of P4/FBS and some NIL money. That still leaves you having 4 years with 95% of players who don’t decided to quit and become normal students. This is utopia compared to the rest of FCS football and much of FBS football. This, and life in an actual metropolitan area, are why a guy like Santos leaves UNH.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Penn Head Coach? Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:27:41 12/14/25 Sun Agreed; also I would not be surprised if he concluded that UNH would always be lagging in NIL relative to competition and expected results, whereas at ivys he has a guaranteed level field.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Penn Head Coach? Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:09:41 12/14/25 Sun True not as bad as outside the Ivies. I was responding to the second sentence in your initial post on the subject which I believe is inaccurate in the first instance and increasingly overstated (or understated, depending on one’s point of view)in the latter. And there is a somewhat increased number of people opting for more than one year outside of the Ivies. Just now, in a very random example, a P DB who is a good player but I believe lost a season to injury, filed for the portal with 2 years left. Bing the second Penn RB I noted earlier had 3 years. I don’t disagree this is better than much of the rest of Div. 1 but I don’t think it is as rosy as you painted it. And I think it will get worse. Off the top, I can think of the nil/no 1 year wait change affecting 3 P women’s sports in the last year. Basketball, volley ball and ice hockey.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Penn Head Coach? Author: Gp [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:12:18 12/14/25 Sun Turning down a Princeton degree for NIL in women’s sports is very surprising. I didn’t know that was happening. Did they transfer somewhere such as Northwestern, Duke, Rice, Notre Dame, etc where they will be on full scholarship and still get a top tier degree? That’s where I see the portal being the biggest threat to football. No debt, a Duke degree and monthly deposits hitting the checking account starts looking pretty appealing. Fortunately for us, there are only a few schools outside of the ivys that are close enough in academic reputation to pull that off.

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Penn Head Coach? Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:28:46 12/14/25 Sun UVA and Minnesota. Haven’t tracked down the third one.

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Penn Head Coach? Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:35:30 12/14/25 Sun Ah, Vanderbilt.