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Subject: Re: Of course, in other contexts... Author: observer [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 14:42:58 05/22/24 Wed In reply to: Bengal 's message, "Re: Of course, in other contexts..." on 11:25:28 05/22/24 Wed The team that "deserves" to go is the one that wins the games required to qualify. Ask the Carolina Hurricanes if their superior Corsi made them deserve to reach the Eastern Conference Finals this year. Or the 1981 Cincinnati Reds about being the most deserving. The teams knew the stakes going in. You have to win the games that count. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Of course, in other contexts... Author: Bengal [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:50:20 05/22/24 Wed Thanks. But the issue I have been addressing, which your statement evades, is what games should be required to qualify for the NCAAS in various Ivy sports, i.e. which games should count? Just the regular season record? A playoff or tiebreaker in tie situations where there is no Ivy tournament? An Ivy tournament? What do you think? BTW, I am unaware that any Ivy championship eligible sport uses a divisional system today with different or more games played against some Ivy rivals than others, as Ivy baseball once did, which necessarily presented a different scenario. I might be missing something there. Or where strike induced adjustments impacted post-season bids.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Most Valid Way of Determining Best Team Author: Boston Lion [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:50:38 05/23/24 Thu Fully concur. The issue really IS, as stated by Bengal, "which games should be required to qualify for the NCAAs in various Ivy sports, i.e. which games should count? Just the regular season record? A playoff or tiebreaker in tie situations where there is no Ivy tournament? An Ivy tournament?" Examining that, one way of looking at this is to ask, holding all other things (e.g., injuries) equal, which of the of the following is likely to reveal which team is better: 1. Having two teams play each other 1,000 times; or 2. Having two teams play each other only once. IMHO, the question answers itself. And by holding all other things equal, I don't mean to disregard the effect of injuries. What I mean is that if one seeks to determine, in the purest way, which team is best, assuming for the sake of that determination that all contenders had either no injuries or were dented equivalently by injuries, what would the result be?

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Of course, in other contexts... Author: observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:58:22 05/23/24 Thu I guess you guys hate March Madness and the Stanley Cup Playoffs.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Of course, in other contexts... Author: Boston Lion [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:10:43 05/23/24 Thu What we like is having our semester’s grade being based on an entire semester’s body of work and not just a 10-minute pop quiz. As was stated by Bengal earlier, if the games that determine Cup playoff or March Madness eligibility are sufficiently well chosen, then those kinds of playoffs are fine. The rub occurs if teams with decidedly inferior win-loss records scrape into a playoff only to play a couple of title-determining games before carting off the hardware.