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Subject: Re: Why Enter The Portal? Author: Uptown [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 10:29:23 04/17/24 Wed In reply to: M3 's message, "Why Enter The Portal?" on 06:48:03 04/15/24 Mon I am as proud to be a Columbia grad as anyone. But we are naive to think of the Ivies as the be all and end all of higher education. Cf Stanford, Berkeley, Michigan, UVA, etc. Ad nauseum. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: Re: Why Enter The Portal? Duke Author: Spizz1976 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:57:02 04/17/24 Wed I see from the recruiting reports that Duke basketball is poised to land another top freshman recruiting class. Lots of basketball talking heads are predicting a rosy future for Duke basketball. This may be a short-term windfall, but I think that the recent developments of NIL and transfer portal dominance will yield a long-term downward trajectory for Duke basketball. Duke strives to compete academically with the Ivy League, although its basketball program, while wildly successful by many measures, is pretty disgraceful in academic performance. However, Duke basketball's challenge will be that NIKE's dominance in AAU leagues and development has now given way to direct player compensation through NIL's. For years, Duke basketball has been ruled and funded by NIKE but, going forward, that funding and recruiting source will dry up leaving Duke to compete with the other power teams with NIL compensation. This loss of NIKE dominance, coupled with the likely fragmentation of the ACC as a conference, will leave Duke with less resources, diminished recruiting reach, and no clear path for conference affiliation. Duke will face challenges competing with the big State (government) schools for NIL compensation resources because, as a private school with academic ambitions, its ability to raised NIL revenues will compete with its soliciting alumni contributions to its endowment.

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Why Enter The Portal? Duke Author: Ghost [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:35:21 04/17/24 Wed Duke has the BEST atmosphere in America to play in along with a basketball history second to none. If you think their base will allow them to fall behind in the NIL race, you are badly mistaken. Why hasn't it already happened? They have the #1 player in the country coming in.

[> [> [> [> Subject: Is Duke Basketball Nebraska Football? Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:02:07 04/17/24 Wed Who is the single most important person in the history of the University of Nebraska? That answer is unambiguous: Tom Osborne. Because of what Osborne achieved inside the confines of Memorial Stadium, today the University of Nebraska is secure, financially and otherwise, as a member of the Big Ten. The Big Ten was interested in Nebraska for its football brand name at the time. What the Big Ten failed to recognize is that Nebraska has none of the natural advantages of the other big anem programs in America. I'm talking about access to the prime recruiting areas of Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania in the "old" Big Ten footprint and of course Texas, Louisiana, Florida and California outside of that. For four decades, Tom Osborne took "nothing" and made national champions out of it. Once Osborne retired, Nebraska reverted to what it would have been all along without Osborne. Nothing. Nebraska isn't even a member of the AAU anymore, the other banner which the Big Ten like to tout that all of its members satisfy. If the Big Ten were to re-constitute itself today, would it invite Nebraska? The Big Ten would be more likely to invite Harvard. The question is, "Is Duke Nebraska?' I believe that Mike Krzyzewski is an outstanding basketball coach. He had more natural advantages in Tobacco Road than Osborne did in the Nebraska cornfields, and he too made the most of them, also culminating in multiple national championships. But once again the world has shifted. Will Duke be able to stay Duke without Krzyzewski? I'm not sure. But certainly part of the answer depends upon what happens to the ACC. Will it continue to exist? Will it look more like the SEC or more like the Big East?

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Osborne Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:26:37 04/18/24 Thu He was never busted, but there were allegations that he turned a blind eye to rampant steroid use by his players during NU's heyday. https://www.amazon.com/Big-Red-Confidential-Nebraska-Football/dp/0809245809

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Osborne Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:35:23 04/18/24 Thu I have never heard the allegations of steroid abuse, but it's true that Nebraska was the first major college program to fully embrace strength and conditioning as an art and science. Nebraska's offensive line was huge, strong and quick. Besides Boyd Epley's revolutionary training techniques, were there steroids involved? It's a messy business. Osborne also received some criticism for the light touch he took in disciplining Lawrence Phillips after Phillips demonstrated repeatedly that he had serious issues with impulsivity and anger management, culminating in alleged assault on his Husker volleyball girlfriend. Would a football player of less ability been treated so gingerly? It's a messy business. Of course, elsewhere on this board we are debating how aggressively we Ivies should pursue NIL collectives so that we can keep promising players like Dingle, Mack, Perkins, Wolf and Nana from transferring out. I have no interest in playing that game. Do you know why? It's a messy business. Once you're in that quagmire, you had better be prepared to bring it. And I don't wanna.

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Osborne Author: Rufus T [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:17:35 04/18/24 Thu When the Nebraska Cornhuskers were on their tear in the mid-1990s under Osborne, they had players credibly accused of rape, players getting DUIs and assaulting women, and players literally charged with murder. Tom Osborne essentially hid the gun that was allegedly used in the commission of a felony. TOM OSBORNE HID THE GUN. Five words that seem utterly insane when you type them out. As far as steroid usage.....google Dave Rimington and Dan Steinkuhler. Two notorious users who won Outland trophies under Osborne

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: i googled them Author: holtsledge [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:36:51 04/18/24 Thu and this is just a snapshot American Football "In an American report, an ex-dealer described the use of steroids on the Nebraska football team as 'massive' and estimated the number of users around 85%. Additional evidence of this unbridled consumption came from a number of journalistic studies involving players Dean Steinkuhler (1961), Dave Rimington (1960), Danny Noonan (1965), Neil Smith (1966) and Lawrence Pete (1966), something they also later admitted."

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Why Enter The Portal? Duke Author: Spizz1976 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:24:11 04/17/24 Wed In response to Ghost's comments, I predict that Duke basketball's erosion will be gradual and over time. The fact that Duke just landed the #1 recruit from high school is not an indicator because that recruit is a continuation of the one-and-done phenomenon and we all know that this recruit will head to the NBA after a single season. There will continue to be high-profile one-and-dones but the NIL money / transfer portal usage is gradually making one-and-dones less significant in favor of well-compensated veteran collegiate players. This is where Duke will gradually lose ground. NIKE is no longer a big player in funding and recruiting. Ghost predicts that Duke's base will generously fund NIL's - maybe or maybe not. However, alumni contribution to NIL collectives will inevitably complete with alumni contributions to endowments. I don't know if Duke administrations will like this since Duke wants to compete academically with Ivies whose alumni contributions go almost entirely toward endowments. The large State schools do not face this dilemma, since there endowments are less significant with academic funding coming from taxes.

[> [> Subject: Re: Why Enter The Portal? Author: Bob S [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:34:52 04/17/24 Wed The problem with NIL Collectives is that they may not be tax deductible per the IRS. Also some individual athletes within the Ivy League are making decent money on individual NILs meaning several thousand a month according to an insider.