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Subject: Jack Scott to...


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Bengal
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Date Posted: 18:59:48 04/26/24 Fri
In reply to: M3 's message, "Why Enter The Portal?" on 06:48:03 04/15/24 Mon

...Wm & Mary and Brian Earl. I wonder if this was sorta, kinda the plan all along, or whether Jack decided he wanted to play elsewhere and the Wm& Mary play developed only after that? The latter would be more consistent with the Earl-Henderson friendship. A loss for Princeton.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Jack Scott to...


Author:
Tiger81
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Date Posted: 10:58:04 04/27/24 Sat

Agree this is a disappointing loss for Princeton, and a baffling one. Jack Scott was a key player for Princeton last year and was positioned to be in the heart of the rotation next year. He is the son of two Tiger hoops alums and is going to a school that has never been to the NCAA tournament and is facing a turnaround under Coach Earl. Unlike Mack and Wolf, who went to big-time programs to seek out elite competition, NBA exposure and NIL windfalls, this move is a head-scratcher.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Jack Scott to...


Author:
Bengal
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Date Posted: 10:35:46 04/28/24 Sun

Yeah, we had essentially a 7 man rotation last season, and he was one of the two with the most time playing off the bench. His experience/contributions will be missed. Mitch, the staff, and the the players did a remarkable job last season given the lack of height and depth. Our women’s team had both. We’ll see how these squads develop with graduation and any other losses. I am especially looking forward to seeing how Amanze does.
[> [> Subject: Vernon Collins to Western Carolina


Author:
Bengal
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Date Posted: 11:55:09 05/09/24 Thu

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Vernon Collins to Western Carolina Like Taking A Flaming Torch to Your Own Life


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 12:42:37 05/09/24 Thu

No offense to the fine students and alumni of Western Carolina University, but I have never heard of their college. And I used to live in North Carolina.

Can you imagine introducing yourself as a new player to your teammates in the fall? "Hi, I'm Vernon, I'm a transfer from Princeton." Possible replies would be, "Hi, I'm Willie. I transferred from Oxford" and "Hi, I'm Jerome. I started at Cambridge initially, then transferred to the Sorbonne and now here I am at WCU."

If I were a job interviewer and I came across an applicant who told me, "I originally matriculated at Princeton, but then transferred to Western Carolina," I would mentally ding him right there and then. Seriously, I wouldn't want to hire an employee who had that kind of judgment. If he can't manage his own life, I sure don't want him managing my assets.

I really feel for young Mr Collins. I wonder how many months or years will pass before he realizes that he has just made a terrible decision on possibly the most important choice he has had in his life so far.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Vernon Collins to Western Carolina Like Taking A Flaming Torch to Your Own Life


Author:
Gregory
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Date Posted: 13:03:38 05/09/24 Thu

Good points and I personally agree, but here are a few other considerations:

1) In his personal culture a prestigious degree may not mean the same thing as it does to you. Not everyone in America views a top Ivy League degree as the highest achievement, or even a worthy goal.

2) One cannot underestimate the extent to which Mr. Collins may feel that he doesn't fit in to the culture on the Princeton campus (pure conjecture). Going to his new institution close to home may be his personal 'safe space'.

3) He may be struggling academically (pure conjecture).

4) Not sure this weighs on Mr Collins, but the prestige of the top universities has been eroded this Spring with the protests (Some more than others. Columbia has been destroyed). A Princeton degree may not mean as much now or in the future as it has in the past.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Vernon Collins to Western Carolina Like Taking A Flaming Torch to Your Own Life


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 13:25:33 05/09/24 Thu

I would guess that it's mostly (1) and I am not here to say that everybody in America or anywhere else should share my values.

I am here to say, however, the probability is fairly high that young Mr Collins wakes up one day at age 22 or age 25 or age 30 and says to himself, "I wonder if having a degree from Princeton might have made a difference in my life." Maybe age 50 or age 60.

I'm getting near the age where my peers, academic and professional, are confronting the decisions they have made over the course of their lives.

One thing I realized early on that some of them are now realizing is:

You Don't Need to Make All Good Decisions in Your Life, But You Better Have A Good Batting Average on the Few Important Decisions.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Vernon Collins to Western Carolina Like Taking A Flaming Torch to Your Own Life


Author:
Ghost
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Date Posted: 13:38:15 05/09/24 Thu

He's an athlete, correct? Has a limited time to complete his athletics experience? Not a bad place to do it
https://catamountsports.com/sports/2018/6/19/211718866.aspx
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Vernon Collins to Western Carolina Like Taking A Flaming Torch to Your Own Life


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 14:01:58 05/09/24 Thu

I can't opine on the basketball opportunity at WCU and of course there is some chance (conjecture) that Mitch Henderson told young Mr Collins, "I gotta be honest with you. I love having you here and on the roster, but I doubt you'll actually see the court during games."

But who faces more pressure over the next two years?

Danny Wolf who left a great academic institution in Yale, but is going to a premier athletic institution in Michigan with big crowds and Fox Sports/BTN coverage where the education is also top flight. . . .

*OR*

Vernon Collins who left a great academic institution in Princeton, but is going to Western Carolina?

If Danny Wolf never suits up in the NBA, at least he can say, "I gave it a shot."

And if Wolf makes it to the NBA, he will have justified his decision.

What's the upside scenario for Vernon Collins? Can he be a star at WCU? I don't know and that's where Henderson's assessment comes in. But I don't know if a guy who can't crack the line-up at Princeton is going to star for the Catamounts.

Don't forget that Princeton just said they're going to maintain a legacy preference. Someday, Collins will need to justify this decision to himself. . . and maybe his kids.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Vernon Collins to Western Carolina Like Taking A Flaming Torch to Your Own Life


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sparman
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Date Posted: 13:18:31 05/09/24 Thu

I suspect he learned he was not interested in a career in finance.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Vernon Collins to Western Carolina Like Taking A Flaming Torch to Your Own Life


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joiseyfan
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Date Posted: 13:41:15 05/09/24 Thu

Certainly no coincidence in his returning home for his final two seasons. Hope he and his family enjoy his future efforts.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Vernon Collins to Western Carolina Like Taking A Flaming Torch to Your Own Life


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 14:27:51 05/09/24 Thu

He's not the first student, athlete or otherwise, who transferred to a college closer to home.

But I'm reminded of a story told in our family about my grandmother. This happened back in our country of origin, not the US. Back in that day and that country, it was very rare for a woman to even go to college, almost unheard of.

But she pestered her father, my great-grandfather, until he allowed her to leave home for college. Keep in mind that we're talking about the early twentieth century.

During her freshman year, she got homesick and called to come home. Her father replied, "You can come home, but fools make trouble for themselves."

She took his words to heart and stayed on to graduate, eventually becoming one of the most prominent women in her country.

When I left for college, my parents tore down the wall between their bedroom and my bedroom.

Sometimes, a parent's job is to say, "No, you can't come home."
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Vernon Collins to Western Carolina Like Taking A Flaming Torch to Your Own Life


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Spizz1976
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Date Posted: 16:16:09 05/09/24 Thu

lots and lots of unfounded conjecture being loosely thrown around on this topic. I agree that Vernon Collins is taking a step down on academic prestige, if that is more important to him than a basketball opportunity.

As for his returning home, that is not quite accurate. I see that Collins is from Chocowinity, N.C., a small town in the eastern part of North Carolina. Western Carolina U is in Cullowhee, a small town buried in the mountains of westerly NC. It is still a significant drive home.

I have no clue as to Mr. Collins's ambitions or priorities but I will say that Western Carolina U is located in a drop dead gorgeous part of this country, within rural mountainous terrain, near lots of waterfalls, and the beauty of nature. He could do far worse than choosing that location , if any of that matters to him
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Princeton isn't a dump


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 17:27:49 05/09/24 Thu


I have no doubt that you are correct that WCU is in a beautiful area.

But I seriously doubt that he is going there for better scenery.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Vernon Collins to Western Carolina


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Sr. Punter
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Date Posted: 17:06:35 05/09/24 Thu

Collins will have "attended Princeton" on his resume. With the understanding that the Ivies are harder to get into than to stay in, I wonder if the actual degree is all that important.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Vernon Collins to Western Carolina


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observer
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Date Posted: 17:21:40 05/09/24 Thu

Exactly. The getting in is the tough part. Graduating from these places - where they cancel exams because of emotional trauma from watching police enter a window - isn't exactly difficult these days. They don't even expel you for saying you want to kill your classmates because they believe that some countries have a right to exist.

The ground is shifting under your feet, old boys. It's not to late to notice that.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Vernon Collins to Western Carolina


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Old Blue
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Date Posted: 17:21:43 05/09/24 Thu

Gentlemen; The decision to matriculate at another institution after an ancient eight school from the outside looking in can be a real head scratcher.All one can do is wish each athlete the best of luck and hope each student is receiving the best overall advice.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Vernon Collins to Western Carolina


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Tiger69
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Date Posted: 10:16:01 05/10/24 Fri

No point in making conjectures about Vernon’s reason(s). He is still, unless he opts out, a Tiger for life. Who knows? He may take a year or two and decide to come back? From personal experience, I know that Princeton is very supportive of undergrads who withdraw in good standing, and offers encouragement to those who wish to return.

Best wishes to Vernon in finding his own preferred path at a challenging time in life.🐅🐅🐅
[> [> [> [> Subject: "If That Plane Leaves For Asheville and You're On It, You'll Regret It."


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 13:25:02 05/10/24 Fri

Back in the ancient days when people of my age applied to college, Harvard would send admitted applicants a formal certificate, aesthetically appealing and suitable for framing, which stated that the named individual had been admitted to Harvard College.

I guess Harvard had a pretty good idea back then that getting in is the hard part.

I am genuinely sad for Vernon Collins, because I am so confident that someday he will regret his decision. In the immortal words of Rick Blaine, "Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon -- and for the rest of his life."

It didn't have to be this way.

Somebody in his life -- maybe Henderson, maybe his best friends at Princeton, most naturally his parents -- should have stopped him.

That is one thing of many things which I disrespect about the current generation of young Americans. There's a political correctness about life choices that says all decisions are correct, all choices are equally valid.

NO.

All decisions are not equally correct. All choices are not equally valid. And young Mr Collins is going to find that out, probably as early as next winter arrives when he discovers that Western Carolina is not the answer to all of his basketball dreams.

We on this board know that getting into Harvard is tougher than graduating from Harvard. But he doesn't want to explain this to everybody who will be judging him down the road, from graduate schools to employers to the pretty young thing that he's trying to pick up from the bar. "You know, I got into Princeton and went for two years. Do you want to come back to my apartment and see my Princeton notebooks?"

For the rest of his life, just as Ilsa did after she got on that plane with Viktor Laslow, Vernon Collins will have on his resume that he graduated from Western Carolina University, not the #1 ranked university in the country.

Somebody needed to slap him across his face and say, "Hey, you idiot. Here's what you're going to do. You're going to tell Coach Henderson that if you don't have a legitimate shot at getting real minutes, you want to become the team manager for the next two years. You're going to spend two more years in Tigertown, getting your degree and hanging out with your friends. But you'll have saved your athletic eligibility. Then once you've got that sheepskin in your hand, you're going to call Western Carolina or Michigan or Georgetown and you're going to one of them as a grad transfer with a Princeton degree."

This easily available option has less downside and more upside than his choice. Therefore, his choice is the wrong one.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: "If That Plane Leaves For Asheville and You're On It, You'll Regret It."


Author:
Lurker
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Date Posted: 20:46:57 05/10/24 Fri

Look, this is going to come out as an attack and i really dont mean it as such, but between your take that NIL will bring nothing but harm to communities of color and that not earning an ivy degree is a 100% mistake you may just want to take half a step back and consider not everyone shares your views and values

I enjoy reading many of your posts and I guess we are here to express our opinions. But it seems you never consider the world does not bring the same set of history, experiences and assumptions as you do to the issues of the day

My last ivy football fan season is right around the bend. Wish my guy could have scored some of those sweet NIL bucks. But i am looking foward to seeing how the lions do this Fall and shortly thereafter writing my final tuition check. Basketball talk always gives me heartburn anyway
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: "If That Plane Leaves For Asheville and You're On It, You'll Regret It."


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 14:32:25 05/11/24 Sat

As I said earlier in this thread, I agree with your point completely. There are 330 million people in this country and 8 billion of us around the world. That's a lot of personal histories and personal experiences which shape each individual.

Having said that, I do believe in playing the odds. Each player who transfers or drops out or quits the team but becomes team manager for two years may be making the best decision for him or herself. But, out of 100 Vernon Collins's who transfer from the #1 university in this entire country to a school which I had never heard of before this week, 80 of them are making a bad mistake.

I hope that *THIS* Vernon Collins is one of the 20.

Congratulations on being so close to writing your last tuition check. I wish your son and the Lions a healthy and fulfilling season.

Here's a song that I find quite meaningful. I hope it has the same effect on you. Enjoy your last season of Ivy football. All my best as you approach the finale against Cornell, AO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBDN8yWyNYU
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: "If That Plane Leaves For Asheville and You're On It, You'll Regret It."


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Spizz1976
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Date Posted: 14:39:27 05/13/24 Mon

This Vernon Collins transfer to Western Carolina story has been a dominant issue on this Board during the past week. However, I cannot find information on the NET beyond Collins' enlisting on the Transfer Portal anywhere except on this Board!
How do we know, or have reason to believe, that Western Carolina is anywhere in Mr. Collins' thoughts or ambitions?
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: He said so himself.


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 15:03:43 05/13/24 Mon


https://twitter.com/VerbalCommits/status/1788448752354922619
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Tweet also has a bible verse


Author:
Terrace72
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Date Posted: 19:36:42 05/13/24 Mon

First Peter 5:10--And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast.

So was his time at Princeton his period of suffering?


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