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Date Posted: 11/29/07 3:33:15am
Author: Markm
Subject: Re: Turkey Quota Results
In reply to: gladeshunter 's message, "Re: Turkey Quota Results" on 11/27/07 7:55:45pm

>>>>>>>>>I didn't get drawn again. I put in for Toso and
>>>>>>>>>Prairie Lakes. I've put in every year and last
>>>>year
>>>>>>>>>was my first spring permit I was awarded for
>>>Toso.
>>>>>>If
>>>>>>>>>you know allot of folks or are willing to buy
>>>>>>>multiple
>>>>>>>>>WMA permits the system works fine. But if you
>>>>apply
>>>>>>>>>for only yourself you stand little to no chance
>>>of
>>>>>>>>>scoring a decent spring huntin Florida. The ME
>>>>>>>>>generation is upon us.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Come on dude, I put in one time every Year, for
>>>me,
>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>have never put in multible permits, i have been
>>>>>>>>skunked too, but that will happen no matter what
>>>>you
>>>>>>>>do! remember the season isn't here yet, we're
>>>still
>>>>>>>>transferable, so your chance is still good you
>>>will
>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>given a hunt! Now, if it were the other way,
>well
>>>>>>your
>>>>>>>>season is over before it got started, except for
>>>>>>three
>>>>>>>>lakes and bull creek, I hunted three lakes last
>>>>year
>>>>>>>>and took a jake, small one, they cleaned house
>>out
>>>>>>>>there!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Mark
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why would you want to rely on someone else to
>>>>give
>>>>>>>you a permit? Seems like a not so sure bet to me.
>>>If
>>>>>>>you truly believe that 40% of all quota permits
>>are
>>>>>>>not being used you should be lobbying the
>>>commission
>>>>>>>to increase the number of permits on these areas
>>>>>>>before they go non-transferrable not spend time
>>>>>>>fighting the inevitable. I am no fan of
>>>>>>>non-transferrable but when some people are
>>>receiving
>>>>>>>multiple permits and not using or giving them
>away
>>>>>>>then I have to look at the alternatives because
>>>>there
>>>>>>>are a lot of guys like Keith out there who don't
>>>get
>>>>>>>permits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>first things first, what facts do you have about
>>who
>>>>>>has multible permits not being used?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Go to Toso, buck lake, Seminole ranch and ask to
>>see
>>>>>>the sign in sheet, this is where i get my info,
>>>>>>believe it or not!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why would you not go an petition the commisioners
>>if
>>>>>>this is what YOU think will help, just what do you
>>>>>>perceive is the "inevidable"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You really think going Non-transferable will get
>>you
>>>>>>or anyone else a permit every year, you have got
>to
>>>>be
>>>>>>kidding me, it ain't going to happen!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What was your reasoning for the first sentence,
>I'm
>>>>>>confused on that one, but i do rely on my friends
>>as
>>>>>>they do me!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I know i have posted this hundreds of times but
>for
>>>>>>you I will say it again: I don't like what is
>>>>>>happening with the present system, "Gaming" isn't
>>>the
>>>>>>word i would use because it puts it in line with
>>the
>>>>>>Lotto system and it isn't anywhere close to that,
>>>but
>>>>>>for lack of a better word we'll use it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Now, the present system has many more tweeks the
>>FWC
>>>>>>can use to help get this "gaming" under some
>>>control,
>>>>>>yet they haven't tried to do so as of yet, WHY?
>>>>seeing
>>>>>>as you don't want me or anyone else to really know
>>>>who
>>>>>>you are i will give you the benefit of doubt that
>>>you
>>>>>>may know this answer assuming you have been in the
>>>>>>know, because i have been going to FWC meetings,
>>>>>>talking to many, many people, yet i haven't gotten
>>>an
>>>>>>answer, but in the back ground they have been
>>>>>>implimenting some of which I feel will help, yet
>>>they
>>>>>>aren't willing to give it time, again, WHY?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Until the FWC has given all avenues a well
>deserved
>>>>>>chance at getting this under some control,"nothing
>>>>>>will make it anywhere close to what we all want it
>>>to
>>>>>>be", I will continue to fight for the present
>>>system!
>>>>>>I'm sorry you don't agree with my thoughts but you
>>>>can
>>>>>>rest assured I will be at every corner making sure
>>>>>>this system has been tweeked first before we go
>>down
>>>>>>another unchartered road!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mark
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Who I am doesn't matter, what I know does. I am
>in
>>>a
>>>>>position to know what is going on out there, I meet
>>>>>more hunters every day than you will in a year. I
>>>hear
>>>>>them talk and I listen. I don't just form opinions
>>>>>because I looked at sign in sheets from 3 mgt.
>>>areas.
>>>>>The first sentence in my reply is pretty self
>>>>>explanatory except to maybe a Democrat. Again why
>>>>>would you want to rely on someone giving you a
>>permit
>>>>>rather than drawing one yourself, pretty simple
>>>>>statement.
>>>>>As long as a single person can control multiple
>>>>>permits the system will be broke.I know of one
>>>>>individual who has just drawn over 20 turkey
>permits
>>>>>for various areas. I know for fact that at least
>>half
>>>>>of these will go unused.
>>>>>I know of 6 Jennings deer permits for the hunt
>going
>>>>>on now that are not being used.I know of 4 blanding
>>>>>gun permits not being used right now. Dupuis,
>>Hickory
>>>>>Hammock, Allapattah,Hungryland, Half Moon, Flying
>>>>>Eagle,Potts,Big Cypress,Dinner Island all these
>>>places
>>>>>and others, too many to list, had permits unused
>>>>>because guys had more than 1 and were holding the
>>>>>others in case they killed a deer and wanted to try
>>>>>for another or they just wanted to keep the
>pressure
>>>>>down. These are not "no Shows " as you like to put
>>it
>>>>>but rather selfish individuals looking out only for
>>>>>themselves and I guarantee you that there were a
>>>bunch
>>>>>of folks who put in for these areas that didn't get
>>>>>drawn and would be pissed if they knew the permits
>>>>>were being wasted..We are losing hunters every
>year
>>>>>in Florida, we need to get more in the field and I
>>>>>believe that this will do it.I truly believe this.I
>>>>>myself have just drawn 3 permits for turkey
>hunting.
>>>1
>>>>>for each of the first 3 weeks of the season but
>>these
>>>>>will all be used, none were in my name so I stand
>to
>>>>>lose as much as anybody if they go
>>>non-transferrable.I
>>>>>am just sick of the selfish folks out there who are
>>>>>only looking out for themselves.
>>>>>I too will be doing all I can to change the system
>>so
>>>>>obviousy you are not changing my mind and I'm not
>>>>>changing yours so lets leave it at that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>gladeshunter,
>>>>
>>>>If that is the best you can do is name call and all
>>>>the other high horse stuff then Ya, we better stop!
>>>>I'm not trying to change your mind, I wanted to see
>>if
>>>>you can change mine or atleast give me some NEW
>>>Facts!
>>>>
>>>>The present plan isn't going to cut it, 80% of the
>>>>people who showed up for the meetings don't want it!
>>>>Do you still think the FWC will over ride this?
>>>>
>>>>Mark
>>>
>>>>> YES
>>
>>
>>Then why the need to create a stakeholder group or
>>have these town hall meetings? I would like to see
>>them try That, but I know they won't! What I see them
>>doing is going back to the table and regroup! They
>>need something that doesn't reduce Hunting days for
>>hunters, something this was going to do! I wouldn't
>>have a problem letting the FWC make the southern part
>>of florida Non-transferable if that will help you
>>guys, that way we can see first hand if it helps or
>>not! It seems that is where the majority of this
>>Gaming is coming from, it was said at the orlando
>>meeting by one of the stake holders it was previlent
>>down there, you seem to acknowledge it also!
>>
>>Mark
>
>>> OK, A guy walks into Seminole Forest and has 4
>permits. 3 of them obviously are not going to be used
>for whatever reason,even though they are
>transferrable, it doesn't matter.Under a
>non-transferrable system those other 3 permits will be
>in the hands of others and the chances of all 3 not
>showing up are pretty slim. So tell me how would this
>reduce hunter days? Please explain this to me so i can
>see where the reduced days are coming in, i truly
>don't see the math.
>I really want to see your side but it just doesn't add
>up.

GH.

You have three permits out of 150 for that area not being used, my numbers show about 55% of hunters show up for that hunt, If you could Prove that all those other permits were being horded as those three are, Not hearsa mind you but have hard proof, then Non-transferable would be the only viable solution.... can you say that is the case with the other 42%?

As for lost hunting days, how many of those 55% were traded or handed over to others who wanted to use them? those are the REAL hunting days that will be lost, the other 45% You nor i have any real stats to, other then there just not being used, that number may or may not change!

Why would a hunter hold three permits and not use them?

It gives him /her three Bucks to take, solution... one buck per person per hunt, where...Tosohatchee, your name is on the list of harvested game for that hunt, your permit is stamped, only good for hog or Doe,,, those other permits are null and void! Why would he/she waste money on that situation happening next year? This needs to be done on every WMA for transferable to work, I'm not suggesting it will cure all illnesses but it is a start, it's a good bet that it will get that 55% up higher also!

I'm speaking for me, if Non transferable were in place, I would loose hunting days, regardless of how i get permits outside of being awarded them, i get to hunt three to twelve extra days a year from them being Transferable, Not just me, but i have two youths that i take out also!

This isn't about hearsa or sanarios it's what I know will happen to me, how many more hunters will this happen to, all I'm suggesting is to tweak the system at hand FIRST, get the FWC manning the stations so this system Toso uses will work and let's see where it takes us, what will be lost if it doesn't work? something else, ask your local gamewarden how he feels, Non-transferable will be on their backs to enforce, they're already non existant as it is, my area LEs don't like it one bit!

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Re: Turkey Quota Results -- Glenn, 12/ 2/07 8:46:27am