Re: Question on these new regs? -- United Hunters of Florida (UHF)

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Date Posted: 01/ 6/08 10:35:18pm
Author: wayne davis
Subject: Re: Question on these new regs?
In reply to: Markm 's message, "Re: Question on these new regs?" on 01/ 6/08 2:00:38pm

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>What the he77 are you talking about?

I'm taking about the post where you said....."As for the last question, look at the Toso Pamplet, read the Quota infomation portion... the UHF was informed about this and asked to help get hunters onboard, The reason for the change was to keep hunters from making certain WMAs, this one in general, their personal lease by keeping or obtaining all the permits they could! i seen it in action this year seen them stamp the permit seen the person who killed the deer hunting license looked at and their name put on the harvest sheet!"

What change at Toso are you talking in the above quote? I see a one deer per quota permit in the regs and assumed thats what you where talking about. Have you not also suggest one deer per quota or hunter to help eliminate some of the gaming caused by transferable permits?

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>Wayne, Archery season has always been and I
>personally support it staying that way, that you be
>allowed to harvest a doe along with a buck! IT'S TRUE
>PRIMATIVE HUNTING...
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Mark, why should archery hunters be allow to harvest two deer when BP and General gun only get to harvest one and only a buck. Archery hunters still get the option of taking a buck or doe. I think this is called speading the harvest out more equally among hunters, since there's only so many deer to go around.

>This is how The FWC is shutting Hunters out:
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>1- three point or better: which is the maucure
>breeders that the FWC want you to Take ONLY! these are
>less then 45% of the deer taken on most WMAs on
>average!= Drop in harvest rate...

Mark, On the WMAs where a 3 point rule has been implemented the harvest rate on most after a year or two returns to what it was post 3 point rule.

>2- elimanating the takeing of Does during archery
>while implimenting the three point rule! = DROP IN
>HARVEST RATE..

Not sure what you are talking about here. If they have eliminated the taking of does on some WMAs I really don't think it was because of a 3pt rule. I have never heard at any of the deer management meetings that the implementation of a 3pt rule would also cause a no take on does.

>3- Non-transferable permits: the probability that this
>will put less hunters in the woods do to the transfer
>of the permit is very high! impossible to believe that
>there will be more deer harvested with this system
>implimented...

Do you have some data to back up this statement. I have not seen any data yet that states permit transfer is very high.

>4- family hunts: if you look at the new ones, they are
>three point or better so contrary to what the FWC is
>stating, they allow a doe to be taken at these hunts!
>Allowing one deer period per youth hunting would be a
>better solution, if as the FWC state, does are in
>short supply!

Mark, I agree with you on this. I don't think it would be that big of an impact to let a youth take whatever deer they wanted. But a family hunt is not just a youth hunt, you also have adults hunting.

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>Add up all of this and Public land hunting has become
>nothing more then a government lease without QDM fully
>implimented as is done on private leases...

The FWC is not trying to implement QMD. They are trying on some WMAs to improve the hunting by letting more bucks reach 2.5 years of age. This is what the 3pt rule does, and this is what a lot of hunters have ask for.
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>HOW AFTER PUTTING ALL THIS INTO PLAY CAN THE FWC GET
>NEW HUNTERS INVOLVED? WITH LESS CHANCE TODAY THEN IN
>THE LAST 10 YEARS TO HARVEST A DEER... NO FOODPLOTS,
>SUPLIMENTAL FEEDING, NO SCOUTING ABILITY AND REDUCED
>DAYS TO ACTUALLY HUNT 80% OF WMAs, OF COURSE THIS NEW,
>USE IT OR LOOSE IT QUOTA SYSTEM THAT'S BEING BROUGHT
>UP! Harvest deer is why we HUNT...

Your right Mark, harvesting a deer is what most hunters want to do. But many hunters are not out to just harvest any deer, and there are many other reasons a hunter hunts. This is way you see so many WMAs with different management goals. The FWC is trying to please all hunters. Are they going about it the right way, probable not in all cases. Also remember its not always the FWC cause problems with access and short hunts. As you know the FWC is not the lead angency on many of the WMAs.

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