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Subject: Misc. piratical gab


Author:
Susan
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Date Posted: 15:11:31 07/06/06 Thu

Ahoy, mateys! Arr, wi' this latest wave o' piracy a-washin' ashore on the big and small screens alike, I reckoned 'twere time we 'ad a general topic for the discoursin' o' matters piratical, inspired o' course by the patron saint o' movie pirates, Cap'n Newton 'isself. ...

Not, let me emphasize (in my "normal" voice), that we think of Robert Newton strictly as a pirate, since we all know his career as an actor spanned four decades and included a wide variety of memorable and acclaimed roles on both the stage and screen. However, since, according to the latest poll statistics, 75 percent of you first came to know him through his definitive interpretation of Long John Silver, which has had such a lasting and far-reaching effect on the popular conception of piracy (see my Imitations page at www.mooncove.com/newton/impers.htm for proof!) and has had a direct impact on so many of us by making us fans of pirate lore, I thought a separate topic to talk about that particular legacy would be appropriate.

Of course, piracy is a very broad topic, so let's be sure to keep the real topic of this discussion board in mind and, therefore, try to focus the conversation on piratical issues at least tangentially related to, if not directly inspired by Robert Newton.

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[> Subject: Pirate doin's this weekend!


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Susan
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Date Posted: 15:41:05 07/06/06 Thu

Perhaps you've guessed that I had an ulterior motive in creating this topic ... I wanted to bring to your attention some news you may not have noticed on the "News/Calendar" page of the site and create a place to discuss it (with an eye to trying to improve the organization of the forum).

First off, as you all probably know, Disney's long-awaited first sequel to "Pirates of the Caribbean" opens in theatres this weekend in the US and the UK. Alas, it doesn't look like my favorite character--the one who most invoked the Newton legacy, even got to utter the only "Arr" word in the film--Captain Barbossa (played by Geoffrey Rush), will be in this one much if at all. If you see it, please post your thoughts!

Secondly, for anyone who's planning to be in the area of Newport News, Virginia, during the coming year, there's a new exhibit opening tomorrow at the prestigious Mariners' Museum called "Swashbuckler: The Romance of the Pirate," which contrasts the reality of piracy with various fictional interpretations. Included are genuine pirate artifacts alongside movie memorabilia, which includes several photos of Robert Newton. (It doesn't say so in the press release, but I know cuz they borrowed 'em from yours truly!) You can read the full press release here: <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.mooncove.com/newton/calendar.htm">http://www.mooncove.com/newton/calendar.htm</a>

And for all you hardcore pirate buffs, as well as regular folks with a weakness for "anything with a pirate clopping about" ;-), this Sunday, the History channel will be premiering a new documentary called "True Caribbean Pirates." You can find that description here: <a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.mooncove.com/newton/calendar.htm#true">http://www.mooncove.com/newton/calendar.htm#true</a>

I look forward to your comments!

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[> Subject: More info


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Susan
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Date Posted: 16:40:40 07/07/06 Fri

Just caught a one-hour documentary on the Biography channel called "Real Pirates of the Caribbean"--looks like it was produced last year (guess they're showing it now to tide us over till the new one premieres on Sunday), but it was pretty good. I imagine they'll probably repeat it sometime in the next few weeks--looks like POTC is going to be a huge blockbuster. Early reports say the new movie is even better than the first--if that's possible. (But, as I feared, they did not manage to find a way to resurrect Barbossa, even though I could swear I saw Geoffrey Rush's name in an early version of the credits at the IMDb. I'm also wary about the music--they say they've brought back Hans Zimmer, but what about Klaus Badelt who *composed* possibly the greatest musical score ever? Along with Green Day's American Idiot, I just can't get enough of that CD! Who'd think I could get that excited about classical music? Badelt rocks!) So the main villain this time is none other than Davy Jones--not the Monkee, of course, but he of the famous undersea locker, which, if ya wanna get historically technical, was not referred to in any written texts until a quarter century after the Golden Age of Piracy. And the Flying Dutchman was first recorded even later. But that's OK cuz this is Disney! :-D) Anyway, he's apparently played with relish by Bill Nighy (just in case you're wondering who that guy under all the prosthetics is). According to this interview ...

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://filmjournal.com/filmjournal/features/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002726818&&imw=Y#">http://filmjournal.com/filmjournal/features/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002726818&&imw=Y#</a>

Nighy gives an interesting insight into the acting profession: "There are good parts of all kinds, but villains are quite good fun--because you get to do things that you can't very well repeat anywhere else in your life. You get to behave in a really ugly manner, be as unpleasant and scary as you can possibly be. If you have anger issues, it's great therapy." Hmm, do you suppose RN was working out some anger issues in Hatter's Castle and Oliver Twist?

BTW, RN is mentioned in the first line of the article, but I don't think what they say about him is very accurate! I certainly don't think Johnny Depp's characterization of Jack Sparrow is any more original (or Oscar-worthy) than Robert Newton's conception of Long John Silver was at the time. (I don't yet hear pirate impersonators going around talking like a drunken Keith Richards mixed with Pepe LePew! But who knows. I sure hope he doesn't overshadow Robert Newton's legacy, whom he admits in the first POTC DVD commentary was an influence on him.)

Anyway, at least two authors whose books I have (Joan Druett and Richard Zacks) served as authorities on the show, and one of the museum curators the interviewed described Blackbeard's demise just the way (and with the same amount of excitement) I've been saying it should be filmed--it sure would make a great movie! ;-) Also, they showed frequent clips of RN from Blackbeard the Pirate--including one right at the very beginning of the show and another in which the over-the-top pirate narrator (complete with "arrs") asks, "Did pirates really talk this way?" Of course the only example they could come up with was our hero since he invented it! (They also show a quick clip of him from Long John Silver in the segment where they ask whether pirates really went around with parrots on their shoulders.)

This night's Biography: RN's Jamaica Inn costar, Maureen O'Hara (a swashbuckler in her own right).

As for this Sunday's pirate marathon, "True Caribbean Pirates" is two hours long and starts at 8 p.m. (Eastern and Pacific time). It's preceded by a one-hour episode of "Modern Marvels" focusing on "pirate tech."

And, if you're interested, here's an article about the Mariners' Museum exhibit:

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.dailypress.com/entertainment/dp-pirate7jul06,0,2879059.story?coll=dp-widget-ticket">http://www.dailypress.com/entertainment/dp-pirate7jul06,0,2879059.story?coll=dp-widget-ticket</a>

FYI, as for the dates, it's definitely scheduled to run through the end of this year, but from what I was told, if it's successful enough, it will probably be extended through next summer. So if you get the chance to go this year, don't put it off!

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[> [> Subject: Re: More info


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Sue G.
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Date Posted: 16:42:53 07/10/06 Mon

Well, I did get to see the History Channel program on 'True Caribbean Pirates'. Now I understand the historical inaccuracies in the RN movie 'Blackbeard'. I believe, if I remember the special last night correctly, that Morgan wasn't even in the same century as Blackbeard and Maynard was sent to kill Blackbeard (which he did). Morgan could have been labeled as a terrorist (by today's definition). Him and his crew were killing machines!
I also found the story of Black Bart interesting. I had heard of him but never knew anything about him. He seemed to be even more ruthless than Blackbeard.
Did anyone else get to see the program?

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[> Subject: "Uncle 'Arry"


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Susan
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Date Posted: 23:04:04 08/02/06 Wed

For anyone interested in the true story of Captain Henry Morgan (a major character in "Blackbeard the Pirate"), the Discovery Times channel is airing a one-hour 2005 documentary called "Real Pirate of the Caribbean: Captain Henry Morgan" during the following times (Eastern) in the next two weeks:

August 3, 2006 12:00 a.m. (tonight!)
August 6, 2006 10:00 a.m. & 6:00 p.m.
August 10, 2006 4:00 p.m.
August 15, 2006 1:00 p.m. (regular Discovery Channel)

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[> Subject: Charrrrmed!


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Susan
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Date Posted: 23:57:11 08/22/06 Tue

Even "Charmed" has boarded the piratical bandwagon ... and invoked the famous "arr" word. Here's a description for the episode airing on Thursday, August 24, at 4 p.m. on TNT (US):

"Charrrmed!
"Arg! An immortal pirate (Harve Presnell) who continues to age passes his curse onto Paige, and her sisters can only restore her by stealing a chalice that taps into the Fountain of Youth. Unfortunately, a Homeland Security agent (Kerr Smith) has taken an interest in the women. Meanwhile, Leslie manipulates a contest to win a date with Phoebe."

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[> Subject: Pirates of the Caribbean 3


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Susan
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Date Posted: 06:52:08 05/31/07 Thu

Any opinions on the new "Pirates of the Caribbean" movie, "At World's End"? I found it too cluttered with extraneous, undeveloped characters; anachronistic legends; vague plot lines; and overwhelming creature FX to follow it very well. Both my husband and I were both confused by what exactly the story was, who was on what side, etc.! The first movie ("Curse of the Black Pearl") stands as the best of the three; it had a relatively intelligible plot and a clear villain, as well as character development and humor--and an awesome swordfight between Geoffrey Rush and Johnny Depp. There's lots of "cut 'n' rip" in this movie, but there's a lot more "cutaway," with too many things going on at once to get a good view of anything. (And the swordfight on top of the swinging yardarm in the midst of a storm was just too absurd to be believed; I mean, seasoned seafarers all too often fell to their death from the rigging--and at least there they had something to hold onto for support!)

The only part I really liked was lots of Barbossa. He's really the only pirate actor right now who comes anywhere near Robert Newton in natural charisma (although I thought he was better developed in the first movie)--and his performance is an obvious homage to his predecessor. In fact, if it hadn't already been done twice in the past year and he weren't already Barbossa, I think he might've made a pretty good Blackbeard.

What about you?

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[> Subject: Geoffrey Rush on Robert Newton, Arr!


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Susan
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Date Posted: 21:27:43 06/04/07 Mon

The new "Film Fantasy" magazine is loaded with stuff about the new "Pirates of the Caribbean" movie. It includes this nod from Geoffrey Rush:

"Rush believes that Hollywood has a penchant for foreign-born bad guys had paid off for both himself and English actors. 'We went through a period where you had the Alan Rickmans and Gary Oldmans of the world playing the bad guys in Hollywood movies,' he says. 'It's this American tradition that if you want a villain, you've got to cast British. It probably goes back to the War of Independence or something.'"

Oh, is *that* the reason? (It probably *is* the reason I always seem to be drawn to movie villains! Although in real life, when's the last time *you* heard of British people coming over here to do horrible things to American citizens--more horrible, I mean, than, say, putting us down in a really great accent? Geez, I mean the UK is practically the last ally we have left in the world! Interesting that GR--who's Australian--has noticed this odd casting trend too.) Anyhow, back to the article:

"He welcomed the opportunity to do bad things with Barbossa. 'Getting to play the first serious pirate since Robert Newton almost have me a fresh slate. It wasn't like I had to play one of those weird guys who was going to take over the world by midnight, which is what all villains in all blockbusters do.'" Yay, he acknowledged our hero--one great movie pirate bowing to another. :-)

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[> [> Subject: Re: Geoffrey Rush on Robert Newton, Arr!


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Jenny
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Date Posted: 20:03:19 07/13/07 Fri

Yes! GR's portrayal of Captain Barbossa is a brilliant homage. How cool of him to pay credit to RN! Hopefully it will inspire "the wiser youngsters of today" to learn more about the man behind our dear Cap'n Silver.
"So be it! And fall on!"

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[> Subject: Re: Misc. piratical gab


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Trisha
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Date Posted: 13:05:36 06/07/07 Thu

I loved GR's performance in the PotC movies. He does a great job portraying Barbossa, has a style similar to RN. :-)

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[> Subject: Geoffrey Rush on RN and British villains


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Susan
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Date Posted: 16:44:34 06/09/07 Sat

"I loved GR's performance in the PotC movies. He does a great job portraying Barbossa, has a style similar to RN. :-)"

I know, that's probably why I like him so much. Although I do think he's an excellent actor just in general, which why I was disappointed in the new POTC. Yes, he was in it a lot, which was quite gratifying (best part of the movie, IMO), but he almost seems to be doing a caricature of his role in the first movie--something like the difference between RN in "Treasure Island" and in "Blackbeard the Pirate." In POTC3, he was obviously limited by the script/storyline of course, but I thought GR(rrr) ;-) got to show a lot more range in POTC1--I love that scene in his cabin with Elizabeth in which he's explaining the curse ... and then his last scene in the movie is really the best part of it all, so poignant the way he says that line. (Even though there's a blatant, I guess, continuity error between that line and what he says after making Elizabeth walk the plank!) Whereas in POTC3, his character has lost that underlying element of pathos and been forced to replace it with a lot of growling, snarling, clomping around, and really overdoing it with the unconjugated "be." I mean, come on, we know he has some concept of grammar ... remember the line: "You'd best start believin' in ghost stories Miss Turner; you're in one"? He's still fun in POTC3 (saves it from being nigh on unwatchable for me), but he absolutely "shines" in POTC1.

Actually, I was thinking a little bit more about some of the things he said in that quote, and (here I go, getting over-analytical as usual) technically, while it's great that he acknowledges Robert Newton, I don't think he really gave the best examples. Well, for one thing, his performance obviously owes a lot to Robert Newton--which is a good thing!--so I don't think he *exactly* started with a clean slate ... though his characterization is different enough that it's not at all an imitation--I see it more as an homage. He walks a very fine line and does it brilliantly.

And secondly, while I love Alan Rickman and Gary Oldman (just invoking those two names earns my respect!), I was thinking about them too, and I can't think of any British villains Gary Oldman has played in an American movie, can you? The one villain that comes to mind is Lee Harvey Oswald in JFK, and in that case he was anything but British; in fact, I was surprised when I later found out that he was. (Unlike AR(rrr) and even GR(rrr)*, Oldman does a flawless American accent.) And then you've got Dracula, but there he's doing a Transylvanian accent.

Then there's Alan Rickman who, in a recent interview, cryptically emphasized that he's only ever played *one* villain, leaving us to wonder which one character he perceived as a villain. (My guess would be the Interrogator in "Closet Land.") Anyway, from the somewhat black-and-white perspective of his audience, you've got Hans Gruber, who's ostensibly German. Snape (perhaps), who only terrorizes British children. The Sheriff of Nottingham, who, again only terrorizes, er, Kevin Costner, Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio, and Christian Slater ... all right, he's got me there, but they really deserve it! Or perhaps he's thinking of Marsdon in Quigley Down Under--a British villain in an *Australian* setting! :-)

Correct me if I'm forgetting anybody!

Whereas he is correct in terms of movies like Gladiator and Masada, where you can actually tell the good guys from the bad guys by their accents. And then there was Jeremy Northam in "The Net." Um ... Jeremy Irons in one of those Die Hard sequels, I think ... Can you name more?

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