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Subject: Re: To 瓶情


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XOX
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Date Posted: 11:39:08 04/22/05 Fri
In reply to: Liberal for Cain 's message, "瞺薄痷薄莱闽币ゅ" on 13:06:40 04/21/05 Thu

//以?人??作歸納式的結?不太有說服力吧?那我所提及的親耳?到的??於是就會自動消失?//
I didn't say that. I would think first hand experience is more reliable than second or third hand bias information, right?
I don't mean to 看扁人家. But most of the Christians who are strongly anti-gay usually based their views on second hand information.
//怎麼?/你老是以為與自己立場不完全相同的人,就一定沒有遇上這些同志的呢?這種以立場來標籤對方的豈不是與反對同性戀的人標籤了對方必然是邪惡的一樣嗎?//
Try not to put words into my mouth. Unlike those anti-gay Christians, I haven't labelled these people as evil. I would say most of these anti-gay Christians are irrational to say the least.
//我也認同完全這一點。但既然?/你也指出在基督教中有不同的神學傳統,難道?同性戀有罪的就不是基督宗教的一份子?若她/他?也是的?,又怎麼不能說是沒有其合理及合法性的?為甚麼忽然又抺殺了基督教內部的多元性呢?//
How many anti-gay Christians have distinguished the difference between homosexual who have homosexual sex and homosexuals who practice abstinence? If they have made that distinction, how could they be opposing a law that will protect homosexuals who practice abstinence?
Even Christians who theological interpretated that homosexual act is a sin, should know that they shouldn't target all homosexuals as sinners, as some of them may not have committed that sin at all. But I haven't heard of this type of discussion within Hong Kong Christian cycle. If I got that wrong, please explain to me how these Christians could allow the current ant-gay movenment that hasn't made such distinction to continue within Christian cycle.
How many of these anti-gay Christians are really willing to listen to the 同志 of their stories of being discriminated against, or worst, being mistreated because of their sexual orientation.
//我也完全認同?管教會不同意同性戀,在?踐上不應也不能歧?同性戀者,我相信這是我相?清楚的立場。//
Yes. You have made that quite clear, and I do appreciate that.
//然而是否在生活上不歧?同性戀者,但在教義上仍堅持同性戀是罪,同志就不認為教會沒有歧?她/他?呢?我有保留。//
That is probably from your personal mistrust of 同志 in general. Care to share where do your mistrust came from?
Care to know how the anti-gay Christians have built this mistrust within 同志 community?
The tactics the anti-gay have built mistrust. I have heard from an anti-gay scholars using really insulting words in describing 同志 . The incident was exposed and many 同志 have heard how these anti-gay really think about them. To rebuild this trust, we may have to do much more on both sides.
//這方面天主教一直比新教好得多,而我一直?對的也主要是新教。難道?/你以為我是在說天主教嗎?我用天主教的例子,只是因為新教也常愛用這例子而已。//
I know you are talking about the Protestant Church. But the incident did happen at a Catholic Church. While the Protestant Christians used this incident to excuse themselves from being prejudice against non-heterosexuals, the Catholic Christians have used this incident to reflect on themselves and how they have handled non-heterosexuals in the community. I just say the way the Catholics handled this incident is better than the anti-gay Protestant Christians.

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