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Date Posted: 17:19:08 04/02/05 Sat
Author: Anonymous
Subject: Re: Homosexuality and Junia
In reply to: Mike K. 's message, "Homosexuality" on 00:42:40 03/22/05 Tue

>Are you suggesting that there would be anything
>wrong with a lesbian elder?
>
>I'd guess so, there's numerous references in the
>Scriptures making clear that homosexuality is not an
>acceptible condition for Christians (though in the
>world, it's normal and God lets it happen) and if
>someone is alienated from God through their sexuality,
>how can they be leaders in the church?

You are on very shaky ground there Mike, and since we are touching on another topic, I plan to take this issue up in a thread of its own.

>Again, here kicks the principle of Christ and the
>church: could you imagine the Bride of Christ loving
>another "woman", instead of Christ? Could you imagine
>Christ loving another "man", not the Church?

First, you are using Scripture out of context. The analogy you are talking about has nothing to do with the issue of sexual orientation. Secondly, yes I can imagine the Bride of Christ loving a "woman." Certainly I can imagine Christ loving another "man." The Body of Christ and Christ himself do not base their love on gender.

>Further research on that subject revealed to me that
>the Greek original makes it unclear whether this is a
>man's or a woman's name, as such it is moot to take
>the stand for one side and say "it must be like this
>and everyone who says differently is a populist".
>Let's keep it as Schr�dinger's cat?
>In this matter, I'm sorry, but I would rather not
>touch something where the Scriptures are vague upon in
>order to justify any school of thought.

Your research must have been lacking. John Chrysostom, Origen, Jerome, and every Bible commentator until the 12th century took Junia to be a feminine name. “The case for reading the female name Junia rather than the male name Junias in Romans 16:7 has been made adequately in scholarship since the 1970's and has been widely accepted, while the REB and NRSV are, I believe, the first English translations to place 'Junia' in the text and to relegate 'Junias' to a footnote. The history of the matter is a sad story of prejudice making bad translation.” This information and quote comes from GOSPEL WOMEN by Bauckham.

Regards,
Anonymous ex-UBFer

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Re: Homosexuality and Junia -- Chris, 04:25:44 04/03/05 Sun
- Junia -- Mike K., 05:59:22 04/03/05 Sun