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Date Posted: 07:54:19 10/07/04 Thu
Author: Joe
Subject: Re: Bush Vs. Kerry
In reply to: Chris 's message, "Re: Bush Vs. Kerry" on 06:18:34 10/07/04 Thu

>Another reason which disqualifies Bush is that he and
>his administration obviously lied to justify the war.
>Did you read about the latest rel=nofollow target=_blank >href="http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/06/iraq.wm
>d.report/index.html">report?

There have been several after-the-fact reports about Saddam and a seeming lack of WMD. The latest report from the weapons inspector does not say or even imply that Bush lied. Before the last CIA director (Tenant) resigned earlier this year, there was some agreement that the intelligence about Saddam's WMD was flawed and that this flawed intelligence had led to the invasion. There have been arguments that the Bush administration just picked and chose the intelligence they liked to justify the invasion. But looking back, it looks like the intelligence, if it was indeed flawed, misled not only the Bush White House, but the Clinton White House back in the late 90s. (See this comment at a right-leaning blog.)

I don't think the book on Saddam's WMD is closed. Even the report yesterday that you cited says that Saddam was working to get UN sanctions against Iraq lifted and that once lifted, he probably would have resumed an active WMD program. The UN sanctions were affective against the citizens of Saddam, but for Saddam the sanctions had become an oil-for-palaces program. There is evidence that France and Russia also shared the proceeds that Saddam got from the sanctions. That's right, the UN sanctions were giving Saddam money, not taking it away.

Experts and Israeli intelligence say that the WMD was shipped mainly to Syria during the days when Bush was trying to get UN consensus for military action against Saddam.

One of Saddam's bio-weapons mobile labs may have been recovered.

The Iraqi government has in custody two lovely women nicknamed "Dr. Germ" and "Mrs. Anthrax," two of Saddam's germ warfare scientists.

Polish troops in Iraq found a quantity of .

Recent translations of Iraqi documents indicate that Saddam had WMD and had terror ties.

So, I don't believe the book on Saddam's WMD is closed.

There's a side issue here of how a left-leaning news media distorts its coverage of things such as yesterday's WMD report to try to damage the Bush White House. No bigger example of that than Mr. Rather and CBS. But I don't want to get into that here.

>It is also very
>disturbing for me how the US care so much to end the
>dictatorship in Iraq, but not, for instance, in North
>Korea. And in North Korea, you have even more than
>evidence, you also have the openly declared will to
>produce weapons of mass destruction.

Actually, the US does care to end the dictatorship of NK, thus their inclusion in the "Axis of Evil." The problem is that they probably already have nukes, thanks to the appeasement approach taken toward NK by Jimmy Carter/Madeline Albright/Bill Clinton in the 90s.

That leads to the larger discussion we should try to have and explains why I actively fear a Kerry Presidency. My fear is that Kerry will bring back the 90s Carter/Albright/Clinton appeasement approach to international diplomacy and try to apply it to the growing tide of radicalized Islam in the Middle East, a tide that was growing even before Bush got in the White House.

>And the people
>are suffering even more than they did under Saddam.
>But North Korea has no oil. There are many other
>countries where people suffer so much, but the US does
>not care, because they are economically unimportant
>countries.

I think the US has certainly shown concern with a large AIDS relief package for Africa and speaking out about genocide in Darfur. Darfur is another area of the world where I think we need to rethink the approach to global problems. The UN threatens and threatens and postures toward the government of Sudan, but Koffi Annan has recently said that nothing in Sudan has changed, so it's back to the hand-wringing and threatening and posturing and meeting and making more resolutions while people get killed, raped, starved by the thousands. Unfortunately, I'm afraid that a Kerry administration would be all too comfortable with the approach that the UN is currently taking toward Darfur.

>I don't think in terms of nationality and political
>borders. I think a US president has not only to be
>measured based on whether he does the best for his own
>coutry, but for the whole world and mankind. And in
>this point, I think Bush failed and fails. Christians
>shoud be peace makers. Bush only escalates the spiral
>of violence.

I guess half of America sees it differently and want leadership that combats evil when they see it or when it comes to American shores (e.g. Pearl Harbor, 9/11).

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