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Date Posted: 22:31:22 11/12/04 Fri
Author: ts
Subject: Re: WWGD? (What would Gandhi do?)
In reply to: Joe 's message, "WWGD? (What would Gandhi do?)" on 19:15:41 11/12/04 Fri

Joe, this is a very difficult question and I have no clues.Yes christian love , and non violence seems weak and many times produce no result, specially in politics .More complicated it becomes, when religion is spiced into such struggle as in the case of islamic peoples fredom fight.
on the contrary, Gandhi's struggle for independance of india was non religious, he did not talk bad of christ or christians. He had many moslims in his party.
What happened later, was really heart breaking to Gandhi. While he united people irrespective of religion against colonialism, some people subbotaged it, by using the policy called "divide and rule".
We are taught in history books, it was the final blow from Britain to encourage the moslims to ask for a separate state, with the reasoning that, islam and moslims will be crippled and persecuted in an india which has majority hindus.This led to the partition and pakistan was made as a frankenstein monster.( finally to train the taliban and alqaida to eventually hit the US)
Even in the recent past ,Pakistan and its islamic fundamentalism was used in proxy war against Russian invasion of afganistan by non other than USA.Bin laden was an ally of USA, and he turned against his mentor once the job was done in afganistan.

Why non violence fails against islam? because islam embraces violence as a part of its religion, with the misinterpretation of jihad.
Applying gandhian way to struggle against islamic terrorists is like going and preaching to the lion in the zoo.
Jesus said if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, show him the left cheek. what after getting it on the left cheek also?
Non violence is a good policy. But Non violence can not be applied , if the other party is bent on violence.
Its like saying, I am for tolerence, and i can tolerate anything except intolerence.
In a nutshell, if calls for peace fall on deaf ears, it is quite right for the non violent to eleminate the violent.Unfortunately some so called peacelovers, call such acts as violence.But in my opinion,such corrective acts cant be called violence.So It is quite fair for USA to use military means to eliminate the religion of violence, taliban, or whatever.AIMVHO

opinion based on my nonexpert reading of
>history)
>
>Gandhi, along with Martin Luther King, is credited
>with applying the Sermon On the Mount to bring about a
>nonviolent solution to a social or political problem.
>Yet, after Indian independence, when faced with a
>confrontation with Islam, he was forced to accept a
>less than ideal solution (the creation of Pakistan).
>He put his own life on the line (hunger strike) as a
>personal appeal to try to bring about reconciliation,
>but it failed. The hostility between India and
>Pakistan has been a constant and now involves nuclear
>arms, and Pakistan is a hotspot for Al Qaeda,
>terrorism and aiding nuclear proliferation among rogue
>states like N. Korea.
>
>It seems that even Gandhi reached his limitations when
>confronted with the problems posed by the rise of
>Islam.
>
>Like many in the liberal parts of the US and Western
>Europe, Gandhi would probably have opposed even the US
>deposing the Taliban in Afghanistan after 9/11. But
>what would Gandhi have proposed as an alternative?
>What would Gandhi propose as an alternative to the war
>on terror today?

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