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Date Posted: 14:00 10/09/07 Tue
Author: Nick M.Pavicic
Subject: Re: 1956 PA 217
In reply to: Mike Worswick 's message, "1956 PA 217" on 13:30 06/05/06 Mon

>-- Thomas Kriegish posted this message, 20:02 09/08/05
>
>"A proposed amendment to Section 7 of the act would
>exempt an industrial manufacturing facility
>(GM,Ford,Chrysler,etc) from using licensed personel to
>install wiring and equipment on their premises as long
>as they are supervised by a master electrician. This
>proposal is from State Senator Raymond E. Basham.
>The draft has a bill request number of 03966'05
>I'll try to keep you updated!"
>
>I was wondering if anything has happened to this
>amendment. I work for one of the Big and hope state
>electrical licenses are required for all electricians.
>I believe we are professionals and we need to have
>some standards. Any comments appreciated. Thank you.

Mr.Thomas Kriegish

The automotives have been training electricians, pipefitters, plumbers, carpenters and so on for years. These are apprenticeable trades and they comply with State and Federal guidelines and requirements. Classroom hours and work hours are required in all phases of the applicable trade. For as long as I can remember graduates of these trades were recognized as Journeymen in their trade and commanded UAW Journeymen wages. Their license permitted them to work only as licensed Journeymen in any UAW facility and command UAW Journeymen wages. The problem is their licenses were not recognized by the outside organizations like the IBEW or the State.
It use to be they could apply for the so called State license take the test and receive an outside or State license and work outside of the UAW. Now when IBEW licensed Journeymen applied for work inside the UAW automotives they were hired as Journeyman and received UAW Journeymen wages. It took years for these individuals to assimilate into working on machine controls and the UAW trained Journeymen were left with training them in how to work with relays, PLC's , CNC's transfer lines and so forth.
So it was not a even playing field for the UAW folks.I don't see why their apprenticeship program is not a good as the outside programs. I say some are better. All UAW apprenticeable trades with Federal and State guidelines/curriculms should be acceptable to any organization or state. Remember that inside the automotives they have a large engineering staff that overseas work done inside these facilities.
Very Respectfully,
Nick M. Pavicic, CEI
Senior Electrical Engineer.

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Re: 1956 PA 217 -- Joe Smith (factory electrican/ electrical inspector), 19:44 09/23/08 Tue