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Date Posted: 08:29:24 03/09/06 Thu
Author: lump
Subject: Re: thanks for the new Nazi Youth
In reply to: GarlicSoul 's message, "thanks for the new Nazi Youth" on 11:13:17 03/03/06 Fri

So the majority of you think that as a parent, we can't show our own children both sides of the argument and make sure they know the facts and opinions from both sides of fence? Because that's what I do - that's what my job is and that's why I disagree with someone subjecting my child to a one sided rant before he is old enough to make his own decision. Especially when it doesn't apply to the class.

I think alot of you are making excuses for the guy because you agree and understand the fustration.

As you all remember (and mostly disagreed with me) - I voted independently during the last election. My son's class had a moch election - and he voted for Bush because he didn't think it was a good idea to change presidents in the middle of a war if we didn't have to. That was his own reasoning. I did sit down and spill out a few anti-Bush things to him - like that we may not even be in a war if it weren't for President Bush's decisions, etc. etc. But I told him I was proud of him for putting his own thought into a decision and going against the grain for something he believed in. Of course in his class, Kerry won. And by the way - there was no discussion on what each candidate stood for in class - I think the teachers only wanted to show them what it feels like to vote.

Maybe you all think I'm wrong - and that I'm raising a mini-me for not putting the "Root root root for the home team" attitude into my son. But that is a great example of what I think we should do as parents - not a responsibility we should toss to teachers. Unfortunately, perhaps most people can't see both sides of an argument.

And that kid was on Fox News saying that the teacher talked about this kind of stuff everyday. He didn't feel it was relevent either, so he recorded it. I don't know who he was going to play it for - his parents or a principal or what. But he had a right to do that, too. Even if it's such an overblown story.

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[> Re: thanks for the new Nazi Youth -- 23, 08:56:44 03/09/06 Thu [1]

"So the majority of you think that as a parent, we can't show our own children both sides of the argument and make sure they know the facts and opinions from both sides of fence? Because that's what I do - that's what my job is and that's why I disagree with someone subjecting my child to a one sided rant before he is old enough to make his own decision. Especially when it doesn't apply to the class."

I never said that parents can't do this. I just don't see the problem with teachers presenting these kinds of ideas also. I think it's healthy for kids to hear opposing viewpoints from various sources. Hell, they hear it from the media, why can't they hear it from actual people in their lives?

And secondly, you have to remember that these "kids" are 15 and 16 years old, they are old enough to start seriously thinking about ideas like this and to start hearing challenging viewpoints. As someone said above, they will be making decisions about whether or not to join the military in just a couple of years - if they're old enough to start thinking about THAT, they sure as hell are old enough to hear new political perspectives outside of their home. Do you honestly think Nate is still going to listen to your opinions regarding matters like these when he's 15? My parents were the last people I went to for anything by that age.

And you're right, the kid had every right in the world to record his teacher and play it for whomever he chose. I just think it was wrong to suspend the teacher because some people didn't agree with his politics or didn't like what he had to say. I still stand by my point that he was merely presenting FACTS, which is what his job is (not to just present facts that people are comfortable hearing). In fact, one could make a good case that the majority of HS history teachers are negligent because they fail to challenge their students and fail to present a more accurate picture of US history.

When it comes down to it, what harm has been done to these students? I can't see any. I can only see benefits, from both sides of the equation. If the kid was interested in what the teacher had to say, it opened up whole new avenues of information for that child to pursue. If the kid didn't like what the teacher had to say, it gave them an opportunity to further hone their own opinions to refute this kind of perspective in the future.

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