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Date Posted: 08:56:44 03/09/06 Thu
Author: 23
Subject: Re: thanks for the new Nazi Youth
In reply to: GarlicSoul 's message, "thanks for the new Nazi Youth" on 11:13:17 03/03/06 Fri

"So the majority of you think that as a parent, we can't show our own children both sides of the argument and make sure they know the facts and opinions from both sides of fence? Because that's what I do - that's what my job is and that's why I disagree with someone subjecting my child to a one sided rant before he is old enough to make his own decision. Especially when it doesn't apply to the class."

I never said that parents can't do this. I just don't see the problem with teachers presenting these kinds of ideas also. I think it's healthy for kids to hear opposing viewpoints from various sources. Hell, they hear it from the media, why can't they hear it from actual people in their lives?

And secondly, you have to remember that these "kids" are 15 and 16 years old, they are old enough to start seriously thinking about ideas like this and to start hearing challenging viewpoints. As someone said above, they will be making decisions about whether or not to join the military in just a couple of years - if they're old enough to start thinking about THAT, they sure as hell are old enough to hear new political perspectives outside of their home. Do you honestly think Nate is still going to listen to your opinions regarding matters like these when he's 15? My parents were the last people I went to for anything by that age.

And you're right, the kid had every right in the world to record his teacher and play it for whomever he chose. I just think it was wrong to suspend the teacher because some people didn't agree with his politics or didn't like what he had to say. I still stand by my point that he was merely presenting FACTS, which is what his job is (not to just present facts that people are comfortable hearing). In fact, one could make a good case that the majority of HS history teachers are negligent because they fail to challenge their students and fail to present a more accurate picture of US history.

When it comes down to it, what harm has been done to these students? I can't see any. I can only see benefits, from both sides of the equation. If the kid was interested in what the teacher had to say, it opened up whole new avenues of information for that child to pursue. If the kid didn't like what the teacher had to say, it gave them an opportunity to further hone their own opinions to refute this kind of perspective in the future.

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[> Re: thanks for the new Nazi Youth -- lump, 09:08:11 03/09/06 Thu [1]

Well, I don't think he should have been suspended either. The worst that should have happened was that they should have looked over his lesson plan to make sure the kids were being taught geography and maybe reprimanded him.

And no - at 15 he won't listen to me about much at all. I've laid my foundation - and at that age, I just have to watch all the earthquakes and hope I'm a good enough engineer to have him still standing in the end. Which is all the more reason I wouldn't want a teacher causing a freakin' earthquake. There's enough going on at that age.

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