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Date Posted: 17:41:37 02/22/06 Wed
Author: amadaun
Subject: Stilly - re your medicine and big business thread
Sorry I couldn't reply any more on that thread, it just kept saying there was more than 50 letters in my reply, even when there wasn't!!??? Don't know what's up with that.
Anyway, here's what I was trying to say, days ago.
There is a way to beat the bastards though.
So many books and magazines have information on alternative therapies, you can certainly avoid the cut, burn and poison squad. [All thats on offer at most hospitals]
I think it was in a book called 'Suppressed Inventions' that there was a section on cancer therapies- Raymond Rife, laetrile, all kinds of non invasive ,low cost, effective treatments for cancer- that were quickly derailed by the FDA. [A fascinating read if you can get hold of it!!]
Of course we can't have low cost treatments that might actually cure cancer, because then the Sloan Kettering Hospitals of the world, and the multi billion dollar pharmaceutical business would have to take a reduction in their profits.
Also I remember reading the results of studies on cancer patients [awhile back], and they showed that the patients who felt in control of their treatment did better than those who meekly accepted what the doctors dished out. Obviously there is a big mental component to beating any disease too.
So much we have to learn.........
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Re: Stilly.... -- 23, 18:34:41 02/22/06 Wed [1]
amadaun, it was saying you had too many letters in the message subject line, not in your reply.
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Re: Stilly - re your medicine and big business.. -- 23, 18:41:09 02/22/06 Wed [1]
And in reference to the subject at hand, I think one's experiences with western medicine often color one's perceptions of it.
Positive experiences = satisfied with western medicine.
Negative experiences = think western medicine is bad.
It has its flaws, yes (monetary influence being one of the big ones), but I refuse to discount its effectiveness entirely when I know multiple people who owe their lives to it (myself included).
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Iatrogenic deaths -- amadaun, 18:13:52 02/23/06 Thu [1]
Twan, regarding the your perception of alternative therapies vs orthodox- I think the figures say it all.
This from Mercola.com-
"One year later, in 1995, a report in JAMA said that, "Over a million patients are injured in U.S. hospitals each year, and approximately 280,000 die annually as a result of these injuries. Therefore, the iatrogenic death rate dwarfs the annual automobile accident mortality rate of 45,000 and accounts for more deaths than all other accidents combined." http://www.mercola.com/2003/nov/26/death_by_medicine.htm
I have always said that I am glad that your experience with orthodox medicine had a good outcome, but many other people are not so lucky.
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Re: Stilly - re your medicine..... -- 23, 21:51:54 02/23/06 Thu [1]
I don't quite understand. Are you saying those injuries were intentional? Medicine is a human endeavor. Humans make mistakes. Yes, there is plenty of room for improvement. But let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater.
I'd also be very interested to see a breakdown of those numbers - which injuries they consider the fault of the hospital.
"but many other people are not so lucky."
And I'm sure they, and the people who love them, have a very negative view of orthodox medicine.
I think it's far too simplistic a viewpoint to say that the medical establishment is only out to get money. I would wager that the vast majority of the people who work in medicine first felt called to do so because of an urge to help people. Corruption is there, yes. The pharmaceutical industry is rotten to the core, yes. But it isn't evil, just flawed.
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Twan........ -- amadaun, 18:08:08 02/26/06 Sun [1]
"I would wager that the vast majority of the people who work in medicine first felt called to do so because of an urge to help people"
Obviously.
People who work in the front lines at the hospitals are there to help- no one would endure shitty pay and long hours if they weren't dedicated. And I applaud them.
But I am talking about the BUSINESS of medicine. Businesses are there to make money, not for any altruistic ideals. Bottom line is profits.
"I think it's far too simplistic a viewpoint to say that the medical establishment is only out to get money."
What else are companies in business for? To help me and you? I don't think so.
RE- the Iatrogenic deaths, the breakdown of the figures is at the addy I posted. [According to this article, as little as 20 percent of Iatrogenic acts are reported.]
Adverse drug reactions have little to do with human error. Unnecessary interventions cause many deaths-[and I presume the hospital and doctors make money when they perform operations under medical care policies.]Hospital acquired infections cause many problems and even deaths, and are very common. There are few hospitals that don't have MSRI in their wards, more than you would want to believe.
Medicine is no longer sacred. Research is not unbiased, and you must be aware of the relationship between some pharmaceutical companies and doctors??
Dr. Marcia Angell, a former editor of the New England Journal of medicine, warned that, "When the boundaries between industry and academic medicine become as blurred as they are now, the business goals of industry influence the mission of medical schools in multiple ways." After she left,the NEJM announced that 'it would now accept biased journalists (those who accept money from drug companies) because it is too difficult to find ones who have no ties. '
So even the 'good' doctors will not be able to read a medical journal and know that what they are reading is truthfull, or industry sponsored claptrap.
I just choose to opt out of the entire system as much as possible. If I am involved in an accident,sure, I would want to be taken to a hospital. If I have a chronic illness, I would prefer to treat it myself.
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Hospital injuries -- Robert, 05:54:33 02/27/06 Mon [1]
I myself have been the victim of the roving hospital beatdown squad, and sustained terrible injuries as a result.
I lived to tell about it, but the man is suppressing my story. Damn institutionalized medicine and their goons!
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Robert -- amadaun, 19:04:21 02/27/06 Mon [1]
I don't think the Man is here.......
So what's your story??
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Re: Stilly - re your medicine -- The Man, 17:24:07 02/28/06 Tue [1]
You looked right past me. I've been sitting here the whole time.
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**** -- amadaun, 18:32:03 02/28/06 Tue [1]
whatever.........
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alternative therapy success!! -- amadaun, 17:35:44 03/01/06 Wed [1]
I have perfect example of the effectiveness of alternative therapies to relate to whomever may still be reading this thread.
Late last year my daughters teacher was suddenly stuck down by extreme dizziness, loss of balance and hearing problems out of the blue. Trips to the hospital, scans, specialists, tests and more tests failed to even find the cause of the problem, let alone effect a cure.
This lovely lady was left sitting around at home, unable to do anything , feeling really sick all day. [Imagine the spinning feeling and nausea you can get with a bad hangover]She couldn't even get up and down to answer the phone or make lunch, as every movement made the dizziness and loss of balance worse.
I went to see her before Christmas, and suggested she visit a Neurolink practioner, and that it sounded like a neck problem to me.
Caught up with her a couple of weeks ago, and she is now back teaching. After several sessions with the Neurolink guy, she is now able to function almost normally. The therapist told her she had vertebrae out of alignment in her neck, which she attributed to a car accident some years ago.
Neurolink is non invasive, and does not involve drugs or manipulation. And what's best- is that it works!!
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