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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Speak for yourself! -- Esmerelda, 19:23:15 08/21/07 Tue [1]

I dont think they'd *really* be different, physically, I doubt there's any difference between the five and the seven, he'd only be different in regards to the fact the seven have no idea he exists.

Although I also like the idea, that Adama's known all along...

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I don't think they'd be different either -- Chani, 19:53:16 08/21/07 Tue [1]

The final Five are Cylons just like the first Seven, apart from the fact that they don't seem to have copies so they are individuals, they aren't connected to other replica of a certain model.

Of course the other Cylons seem to have develop some kind of individuality too, despite that connexion.
It's has always been quite mysterious btw, if you think of the Sharons. Athena said she had always known what she was but she could remember Boomer's experience as a young pilot, but the connexion seemed to be broken after Boomer's awakening as a Cylon. It's intriguing and paradoxical...Sharon the Cylon felt like she was Boomer as long as Boomer believed she was human, until Boomer "became" a Cylon and shot Adama, then Sharon was only Athena. It is as if she stole Boomer's humanity in a way, learning to be human from her memories and then taking her place in the human society.

Boomer is definitely such a tragic character.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Ive always assumed -- Esmerelda *oh and mild spoiler for season 4 minisodes*, 21:04:52 08/21/07 Tue [1]

that the cyclons used the 'download' technology to put Boomer's memories (which they must have been able to recieve somehow) into a new 8 model, so at that point, she *was* effectively Boomer, but once she was out of the box so to speak, she developed her own identity. Its an interesting nature/nurture thing.

To get back to the final five cylons and the Caroline Adama thing (kinda), the minisodes of Adama as a young hot shot viper pilot that are going to air in the run up to Razor apparently (and dont hold me to this, as I think I read it second hand) show him uncovering a weapon that'll have a major impact, which makes me suspect that final cylon is Lee full stop, mainly as he's the one character conventional wisdom says we should be able to rule out entirely, as he has someone to vouch from him from birth, which makes me think it totally must be him then, and Adama found him as a baby/toddeler.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Interesting -- Chani, 15:16:03 08/22/07 Wed [1]

Lee could fit in indeed, especially after his speech at the trial.

I'd rather have Lee being one of the Five than half-Cylon.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Ron Moore has said in interviews... -- anyasbuttmonkey, 22:23:38 08/21/07 Tue [1]

That the revelation of who the Final Five (well, for of them anyway) are will lead into the Cylon storyline for season 4 - what does it mean, to be a Cylon? He also stated that the Final Five are fundamentally different from the Super Seven - to me, that's more than just being the sole copies of their models.

Aaron Douglas went one further, and - this I don't believe 100% but it's definitely interesting - said that the Final Five aren't so much "robots with multiple copies" as opposed to "immortal", and that the Final Five tie into the "all this has happened before, and will happen again" motif of the show. Again, whether that's part-conjecture or extrapolation, obviously he's getting that idea from somewhere... I think we'll be in for a few mindfraks next season!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Which would make Kara... -- anyasbuttmonkey, 21:37:09 08/21/07 Tue [1]

Your basic Cylon frakker then? No better than Helo ;)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Nobody is better than Helo ! -- Chani, 15:17:25 08/22/07 Wed [1]


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