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Date Posted: 15:51:05 06/21/08 Sat
Author: anyasbuttmonkey
Subject: I think it's odd for Ron to come out with that statement...
In reply to:
Chani
's message, "New tidbits about the Final Five" on 10:54:50 06/21/08 Sat
Especially given that Caprica said in the miniseries "There are twelve Cylon models. I'm number six."
Personally, I'm taking that to mean that the Final Five just don't use their model numbers anymore - maybe because to do so would acknowledge their Cylon-ness which is something they seem to have strived to hide pretty well over the years.
My problem with using the number system to work out the Final Five anyway is that it's pretty obvious they didn't have this "Final Five" storyline in the works until the beginning of Season 3. So I honestly believe that having Sharon be Number 8 was just a snafu that they couldn't avoid having already established as such in Season 1.
But that's just me :)
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Re: I think it's odd for Ron to come out with that statement... -- Chani *taking a break from Marking Hell*, 17:29:14 06/21/08 Sat [1]
My problem with using the number system to work out the Final Five anyway is that it's pretty obvious they didn't have this "Final Five" storyline in the works until the beginning of Season 3. So I honestly believe that having Sharon be Number 8 was just a snafu that they couldn't avoid having already established as such in Season 1.
I agree but that doesn't mean that RM can't gove a new meaning to an old stuff that existed prior to the idea of the Final Five. Joss did it all the time on BTVS, disguising it, a posteriori, as some foreshadowing stuff.
Also I think that Ron's statement may mean that the Final Five never had a whole production line, they were designed in a different way from the 7 other models which suits Caprica's line from the miniseries, but they don't need a number because there are no copies, they are unique.
Of course it obviously means that the Final Five are individuals, true people and not numbers!
You know, I think the best counter-argument about my Boomer theory is that Sharon Agathon herself said in season 2 that she had Boomers' memories, that she remembered getting her wings and all the military stuff until Boomer shot Adama, got Jack-Rubyed and downloaded.
On the other hand, looks like the connection stopped afterwards since Athena didn't know about Hera until she was told in person by Boomer...which makes me think of what The Eight told Helo on the basestar.
It's intriguing and weird that things go only one way as if the Sharons-that-don't-matter could share the Sharon-in-the-fleet's memories (either it's Boomer or Athena) but not vice versa.
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You know what? I'm starting to come around on the Boomer thing... -- anyasbuttmonkey, 20:26:36 06/21/08 Sat [1]
I can see how it all fits, but I have to say I'd feel cheated if that's how it ends. For starters, it downplays a lot of the Boomer stuff that's come before - suddenly her "voting against her line" back in Six Of One just isn't a thing anymore because she isn't an Eight. Same goes for everything with Hera on the baseship. I just feel like Boomer's series-long arc has more resonance if she's an Eight rather than a Fiver (even though, like I say, I can see how it all fits and I'd be impressed if they went there, but in terms of the show I'd feel cheated out of my Final Fiver revelation!).
My own personal theory on Boomer is that she winds up killing Tory for what she did to Cally. Would have a nice ring to it in terms of "the cycle".
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Forgot to add... -- anyasbuttmonkey, 20:50:24 06/22/08 Sun [1]
The point you make about Athena being able to access Boomer's memories could be a hard argument to break against Boomer being the Final Cylon. But we haven't had confirmation on the show that the Cylons can only access memories/data from their own line. If we knew that only Eights could get other Eights' memories, Threes other Threes', et cetera, then it would be a big help! But maybe they've kept that vague precisely for this type of reason...
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*giggles* -- Chani, 21:26:34 06/22/08 Sun [1]
Soon you'll be supporting my Boomer theory and I will argue against it! ;- P
The memories thing is really intriguing. Think of that crazy Six that nuked herself, Gina...Caprica for isntance never seemed to have access to those memories.
Perhaps there's just something very special about the Eights. *scratches head*
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Maybe Boomer, in one of her "sleeper" modes, transmitted her memory data? -- anyasbuttmonkey, 22:05:17 06/22/08 Sun [1]
Whereas Gina knew what she was all along, so her mission was different. Also, when sending Boomer on her mission they must have planned for the contingency of being able to access her memories in case they needed another Sharon.
OH! Or, I just of this, maybe it's just that the Eights are more intrigued by the concept of human life. Think about it - Boomer was a true sleeper, not aware of what she really was. And from what we've seen she's the only one of the Original Seven Cylons who had that role (the others - Doral, D'Anna, Caprica, et cetera, knew they were Cylons). We know from The Hub that there must be something about the Eights that make them curious about this "human life". So maybe the difference is simply that Athena *wanted* Boomer's memories (either for her mission, or for her own personal curiosity prior to the mission even existing), whereas Caprica wasn't interested in Gina's corrupted memories.
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Hummm -- Chani, 09:58:54 06/23/08 Mon [1]
But according to the Eight who flirted talked with Helo, Athena transmitted her memories as well(until Helo shot her and she downloaded)yet she never was a sleeper, she always knew she was a Cylon.
Perhaps it's just that the Eights just want Helo!
But I don't see why the other models wouldn't want to access memories of Cylons living int he fleet(if they could), because accessing such direct data must have been an asset in War Time.
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It's an area I'd like to see explored onscreen... can different models share memory data? -- anyasbuttmonkey, 21:14:31 06/23/08 Mon [1]
I'm inclined to say "no" because of all the stuff with the Eights, along with the fact that it seems like nobody else can access the Final Five data (from the Temple Of The Five) other than D'Anna (otherwise the 268 alliance could've just uploaded that specific memory themselves rather than going to the trouble of rescuing D'Anna).
But a confirmation either way onscreen would go a long way to clearing a few things up!
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