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Assemblies of Yahweh - Victims of Abuse Support Group


A Support Group for Survivors


Welcome to the victims of abuse support group for the victims of abuse of Jacob O. Meyer's Assemblies of YahwehTM, Bethel, Pennsylvania. A victim can be anyone who has ever been abused spiritually, mentally, emotionally, financially, sexually or physically.
According to psychologists, victims of abuse are often threatened by the abuser and are often afraid to come forward because they fear retaliation by the abuser.
In cults these abusers are often the cult leaders. This forum is dedicated to these victims. This is a place that you can tell your story and receive support from fellow victims.
Yahshua the Messiah and the apostles did not tolerate abusers in the early assemblies and neither should any commandment keeper today. Yahweh Elohim is not the author of confusion nor the promoter of evil doers. The prophet Amos clearly warned us: "Seek not Bethel for Bethel will come to naught." Amos 5:5

ATTENTION: The main purpose of this forum is to provide group support for those who have been victims. Some want to use this forum as a place to justify their abusive actions on the victims. This is not the purpose of this forum. Some would like us to believe that the abuse isn't so, but those who have survived the abuse have the life long psychological wounds to prove it. Some have tried the legal route only to find it to be a bridge to nowhere. This forum is meant to provide healing and solace for those.

The Opinions expressed here are those of the individual posters and not necessarily those of the forum administration.This site is not associated with Assemblies of Yahweh.


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Subject: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?


Author:
Ruth
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Date Posted: 16:45:30 11/05/08 Wed
Does anyone know what ever happened to Elder Joseph Meyer? I noticed that he suddenly disappeared from the Assemblies of Yahweh, and those at Bethel seem to be very closed mouthed about it.
I saw an article in the Reading Eagle that was an interview given by Jacob O. Meyer's son, Jacob C. In it Jacob C. says that many of Jacob O. Meyer 's children have left the Assemblies of Yahweh. Does anyone know why so many have left?

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[> Subject: Re: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?


Author:
number 8
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Date Posted: 14:01:31 11/28/08 Fri
The hardest part of typing in this forum is I will be discussing family-blood. I can't bring myself to bring a “railing accusation” against them but the facts will show that there is a gulf that exists that cannot be crossed between members of my family and the family that remain by their parent’s side.

Point 1- Mike’s conviction happened after he moved to Wisconsin. As a truck driver he drives less than 300 feet from my front door and less than a thousand from his father's. His actions were despicable, not only to me and my family, but also to every moral person on earth. He has done irreparable damage to himself and his family, (no wife or child should have to put up with what he did), me personally (he is number 7) and to our family. Having a child who does tragic things is not the issue, covering it (as Eli did) or defending the conviction is. Jacob C., (number 3), is the one who bankrolled Mike’s defense.

Point 2- Daniel (number 4). He has nothing to do with the family. At the funeral of our grandparents, Daniel showed up and came up to say “Hello!” to his parents. What should Elder Meyer have done, jumped up and kicked him out of the funeral home? Daniel makes his own decisions and lives his own life.

Point 3- Joe (number 2). When our youngest sister ran away with no note or warning, we as a family, spent 2 days searching the roads and the ditches, calling the police, contacting her friends and generally going crazy with concern. Joe’s daughter knew the whole time where she was and never said a word. Just because she had been raped at home, doesn't give her a right to run away like that. When our father found out about this he told Joe that something was not right. Joe said he would go home to fix the problems. That was the last time his father saw him for two months. Elder Meyer then discovered that Joe was into horrific perversions on the Internet. Since then Joe has gone on to act on his perversions, divorcing his wife (no wife and child should have to put up with that) and has had multiple relationships. When we learned of his whereabouts Elder Meyer sent us to see if there was any way to change his mind. We returned in tears (ours, not Joe’s) when he tendered his resignation to the Assemblies of Yahweh. I am young, have only been married for 21 years and there is no way in heaven or below that calling me to tell me that I had forgotten to turn off the barn lights, would make me do what he did to his family. It just makes me so incredibly mad.

Point 4- Mary (number 1) committed adultery. I can't begin to understand how that made her feel. She is the first to admit that she reacted in the wrong way. When she returned, she spent years on probation, whatever that is, as an adulteress. Then a letter from her was read in the Assembly with open discussion available, but no one dared to speak out, in fear that they would be kicked out. With the consent of Elder Meyer, she was reinstated as a member. What more can she do than to return and be put back on the payroll, even in the face of her adulterous history. BTW-Matt. 19 contains the one acceptable reason for divorce.

Point 5- I just returned from Reading, Berks County, and there is a court record for Gary McAvin being charged by his daughter for incest. But of course, but he is my father-in-law, so he won't be kicked out of the Assemblies of Yahweh. I do hate it when my kids call him both grandpa and daddy though. If there would have been a conviction, as the president of the organization, Elder Meyer would terminate them immediately, no further questions asked. But because his daughter brought the action after the statutes of limitation ran out, he is off free! Yes, free because of a technicality. Because we have school on-site, each employee must pass the strictest back-ground check by the Department of Education and the Pennsylvania State Police or they can’t be employed by the Assemblies of Yahweh. But you see if someone gets around this because of the statutes of limitations, eventhough they raped their own daughter they can be around the children. Isn't the law and the statutes of limitation cool!

Point 6- I spoke to Rebecca VanderMeulen. We have no idea how the "relative" rumor began. The closest we can come up with is a shirt tail relative. So what if the Meyers along with probably a third of the population in America are related to her? Elder Meyer joked that because our forefathers and her husband’s come from the same area we are probably related. Meyer family reunions are generally at one of the families houses or at the Church of the Brethren.

I may have missed an accusation in the forum and not addressed it, this does not mean that it is right concerning my sister Rachel being the victim of incest.


The Assemblies of Yahweh and Elder Jacob O. Meyer stand for adherence to Yahweh’s Word at least when it comes to the non-family members. No excuses except for Gary McAvin, Jonathan Meyer, Mary, Daniel, Joe, Jake, Jacob O. Meyer and the rest of our family. Am I the only one who reads these entries and sees that maybe why members of my family see our father as “controlling” is because they want to do what they want and they know he will show them the door and tell them where they are wrong for not doing things his way, thus they transfer their anger to him. I personally am thankful for my parent, after all where would I be if my parents weren't able to collect tithes from all those people for all the years, giving us free housing,clothing, food, cars and a free education etc?

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[> [> Subject: Re: HELP US HELP OUR FAMILY FROM THE AOY AND ELDER MEYER


Author:
DWAYNE BUBLEY
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Date Posted: 19:32:07 11/30/08 Sun
WE HAVE 12 FAMILY MEMBERS THAT EITHER HAVE BEEN A MEMBER IN THE AOY OR ARE IN THE AOY OR WILL BE COMING TO BE A MEMBER IN THE AOY. THROUGH VERY LITTLE DETERMINATION TO FIND NEGATIVE STUFF ON THE AOY AND ELDER MEYER WE ENDED UP WITH LOADS, TOO MUCH FOR US. PLEASE HELP US FIND SOME TANGIBLE TRUTH TO SHOW MY BROTHER OF 5 CHILDREN, OF WHO ALSO HAVE CHILDREN, THAT THE AOY IS A HOAX AND ELDER MEYER IS A SINFULL MAN. WE ARE BELIEVERS IN YAHWEH BUT IN THE "TRUTH" ONLY. WHAT YOU HAVE EXPRESSED IN THIS FORUM IS BRAVE AND COULD HELP US WITH OUR FAMILY. WE HAVE MY 73 YEAR OLD MOTHER LIVING WITH US AND I WOULD LOVE TO SHOW HER THE TRUTH BEFORE SHE SLEEPS. I HAVE ALREADY PHONED MY BROTHER TO TELL HIM WHAT I FOUND, BUT AS HE HAS BEEN A MEMBER FOR 20 YEARS, HE WAS VERY ANGRY AND DEFENDED ELDER MEYER WITH GREAT ADMIRATION, I'M SURE ELDER MEYER WOULD HAVE BEEN PROUD. A LITTLE FOOD FOR THOUGHT, MY GRANDFATHER WAS WILLIAM MEYER AND AMELIA MEYER, MY GRANDMOTHER, MY GRANDFATHER WAS BURIED BY REV. JACOB O. MEYER IN 1975 MARCH 2 IN EDMONTON, ALBERTA, CANADA. REV. JACOB O. MEYER I BELIEVE IS YOUR FATHER? PLEASE HELP US WITH SOME KIND OF PROOF, I BELIEVE THE HEAVENLY FATHER IS GUIDING ME TO THIS PLACE TO SAVE MY FAMILY FROM THIS BRAINWASHING.

SINCERLY, DWAYNE BUBLEY

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[> Subject: Re: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?


Author:
Tom Mitchell (Mitchell)
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Date Posted: 19:27:43 07/27/18 Fri
Joseph lives in a small town in Armstrong County (western) Pa and drives truck. Micah I understand was in prison in Waupon, WI for child molestation. Daniel allegedly lives openly as a homosexual in eastern PA. Jacob C. is the founder and presiding Elder of a Sacred Name group in Frystown, (eastern) PA. Sarah has several children and I don't know where she lives. Same for Rachel, I believe Rachel is divorced and don't know if she remarried. As far as I know neither girl has much to do with the AOY. Mary Meyer (divorced from John Pederson and also from Fred Ortiz. She had two children with Pederson and two with Ortiz and one child (a daughter) with someone in California. She works in the AOY administration. Jonathan and Nathaniel now run the AOY. Solomon Meyer had a falling out with Jonathan and Nathaniel and started his own ministry. He now lives happily in Southern, OH.

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Subject: narcissistic psychopath dealth with


Author:
yrm
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Date Posted: 14:36:23 05/15/18 Tue
I am glad that the Bethel narcissistic psychopath has been dealt with on here. I see he's still around though. It appears that the weak management at Bethel is unable or unwilling to deal with this perv. I don't know why anyone would continue to support such a perverted cult, but I guess people are easily duped by psychopaths.

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Subject: An open letter to those willing to listen:


Author:
Atom Jack
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Date Posted: 01:52:47 05/31/18 Thu
Hello, I’ve been watching this forum from a distance for quite a while now, and I feel at this time I am finally comfortable enough to share my own experiences from my time growing up as a child within the AOY.

First and foremost I want to establish that my family and I were not part of the greater Bethel congregation. My parents were, and still are, members residing on the general west coast. We did, however, travel out to the larger congregation every year for the feast of tabernacles and had a considerable amount of interaction with those members at those times. My purpose in writing this is to perhaps provide a differing perspective on the AOY and how their doctrine and climate is a dark, toxic one that breeds abusive behavior, and has extreme potential to damage the development of children (such as was my experience.) The environment of the AOY is one that is so deeply problematic that issues seep away from Bethel and into the lives of people thousands of miles away from the headquarters.

My entire childhood I grew up terrified of my father. He was the type of man to rule with a harsh iron fist, and he rarely took kindly to any sort of behavior that he perceived as insubordination. His abuse ranged from binding my hands and mouth with duct tape out of anger at my compulsive fidgeting to various forms of excessive corporal punishment, including once becoming so enraged at me, while on the Bethel campgrounds, that he lifted me up by my shoulders and slammed me against the wall of a building to scream in my face. My father was incredibly stifling in my development and even to this very day I still have an extreme, almost instinctual violent reaction to others attempting to control my life or my actions. It wasn’t until many years later that I was able to look upon my father’s behavior and begin to understand him. My father takes his biblical perspective, wherein he is the head of the household, as a de-facto validation of any and all of his actions as correct, and just. His abusive behavior effects not only myself but my siblings and my mother as well, and yet my father is absolutely content to sit in blissful ignorance as his family falls apart around him while he clutches to his biblical justification that nothing he does can be wrong or ever challenged. A perspective that he is enabled in by the AOY’s teachings.

Along with the abuse I suffered at the hands of my father, my childhood was largely stunted due to my parents overbearing attempt to shut out all “worldly influences”. Anything that didn’t immediately co-opt their beliefs was shut out from my life and I was chastised for even attempting to learn about things outside of my very small, warped perception of the world. In retrospect I was living in what essentially amounted to a propaganda bubble. Unable to learn for myself, make any of my own decisions, or even be aware that there were world perspectives other than the one that was constantly shoved down my throat against my will.

As I grew older, I began to question more and more about the AOY, about myself, and everything I knew. I began to ask questions to my parents regarding the AOY’s doctrine and problems I had with it. They directed me to give my questions to one of the deacons in the Assembly, to which I did. I wrote a long letter regarding various issues I had with AOY doctrine, and at the next feast of tabernacles, I was able to discuss in person my concerns with Solomon Meyer (This was approximately a year or so before his departure.) I was able to discuss not only with him but various other leadership members including Nathaniel Meyer, and Gary McAvin. My questions were met with almost universal dismissal and indifference from all parties. It was here that I realized the AOY’s entire religious stance is predicated on not questioning the faith. Questions on doctrine or scripture is interpreted not as an opportunity to educate someone, but almost as a form of sin. Questioning is always assumed to be in bad faith, and the leadership would rather shame someone for asking questions than attempt to answer them. Whether this is due to laziness or an inability to explain their beliefs when put under actual scrutiny is still unclear to me this very day.

Another observation I made upon growing older was the incredible inconsistency in the AOY’s stance on certain topics from member to member, and incredible hypocrisy in what the Bethel leadership taught and what actually occurred within the immediate Bethel assembly.

On the topic of inconsistent beliefs between members, being a child growing up in the early 2000’s, I remember that pokemon was a huge deal with children my age, however I was consistently banned anything pokemon related as a child, because my parents claimed that it was something that encouraged pagan beliefs. I’m sure you can imagine my surprise then when upon arriving at the feast of tabernacles one year, I found many children, including the children of leadership members playing pokemon. Yes, I’m fully aware that the pokemon stance is almost painfully insignificant in the grand scheme of things regarding the AOY. However, I think this anecdote is representative of the fact that the AOY in many key areas doesn’t set up boundaries for it’s members, leading to may direct contradictions between members that have no clear resolution. And if I, a young ten year old who just wants to play pokemon can notice the discrepancy, they have a problem.

The Bethel leadership also would constantly make many ridiculous claims and take stances that they themselves wouldn’t keep. The leadership would constantly preach about how “gossip” was not allowed in the AOY, and yet a sort of red scare-esque gossip ran absolutely rampant throughout the AOY. To the point that people began spreading false rumors about my family for seemingly no discernable reason, other than to just cause a spectacle. Add on to that a litany of absurd and outdated rules such as the banning of “all rock music” for no other reason than what would seem to be Jacob O Meyer’s lack of understanding of the genera.

All of these issues culminated in either the FOT of 2012 or 2013, the last one I attended.

The last FOT I attended was an absolute train wreck of the highest proportions. Things ranged from Solomon and Nathaniel Meyer getting into open, public arguments during services. Gary McAvin solidifying himself as to complete unstable madman he is by bringing a knife up to the pulpit and essentially threatening other people. To Solomon and Nathaniel’s apologies at the end of the feast. All of these only solidified in my mind that if Yahweh, God, or any deity existed, then this was surely not the place that they resided.

Since breaking off from the AOY I have had no contact with anyone I knew there, excluding my immediate family. Between my father’s abuse, justified by the doctrine of the AOY, the uprooting of everything I had believed in since I was born, and various other personal issues either separate or tangentially related to the AOY, I’ve suffered from severe depression issues over the past five years. I’m often struck with moments of absolute terror and panic that I may be on God’s bad side so to speak after leaving the AOY before I can bring myself back to reality. These feelings and beliefs were so deeply instilled in me from my early childhood that I don’t know if I’ll ever be able to fully overcome everything I’ve been through.

In conclusion, the AOY is a horrible, toxic environment that encourages nothing but a monolithic ideology, to which any deviation from their path is considered abhorrent and evil, while somehow maintaining a miraculous level of hypocrisy as to how that path actually works.

To any members, children, or anyone else in the AOY at this moment: Do not be afraid to break away. Do not let others tell you what or how to think. Things may seem like they will get worse if you break away but ultimately things will be better.

The devil you know is not always better than the devil you don’t.

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[> Subject: Re: An open letter to those willing to listen:


Author:
Rachel McClammer Love (Shunny not Funny)
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Date Posted: 08:48:43 07/18/19 Thu
Very Good. To the point in such a way as not to be offensive of a traditional measure of control or punishment within an organization family or religious group. My family has heavy Amish Mennonite background as far back as founding religious leaders (Oberholtzer). But why my family, especially my brothers, would want to dabble in shunning when they are not of the religious faith or very religious at all. But I have been chosen the scapegoat of the family to bear others sins (in the proverbial since). It is abusive and damaging in many ways. It gives unknowing others the wrong opinion of the one being shunned. In my case this shunning attitude from family has caused problems in the youth of my daughter. I was also cut off from paid for ministry tapes weekly, the publications or even reply to my correspondences. That was a type of shunning after 12 years in their ministry by media correspondence. There was never an explanation of why but I will never forget the very last sermon tape the chose to send me was such that the sermon could have driven an unawares victim of the speaker into suicide because of the lack of weekly communication with the ministry in keeping the Sabbath. The tape went so far as to predict falling away into gross sin and error once the victim(s) lacked communication with the ministry. Well, that was BAD news but not for me as I had prior to AOY studied the matter of cults and cult religious groups and recognizing tactics. Before that last tape I had received from the AOY there was some serious thoughts on my part to leave the ministry and seek fellowship with other messianic type groups. Fortunately over the years the lousy groups are gone and the majority now are more trustworthy. Not all but enough to chose from. I am writing to ask permission, excluding your personal name, to use your post of Sunning to send to relatives or post on social media. The tone of how you wrote the piece is so well done it should be shared beyond this forum. Thank you, Rachel McClammer Love, email at rachelcolleen1803@outlook.com. THANK YOU. AOY shunning is just their doing your life a favor for you and for me to move forward with Yahweh's guidance to more true and loving ministries which are not run by egotistical dictators who do not necessarily bear the full truth of the Scriptures. I learned more from one book and a Bible than from 12 years in the AOY. Look on eBay and purchase a copy of Greenberg's book The Jewish Way. I studied it cover to cover over and over until it fell apart and I bought another copy. Keep in mind my foundation in The Lord is Yashua crucified and risen to be seated with Yahweh Elohim
Olam. Please reply, and especially more helpful websites, groups, books, etc. To keep us on the narrow path that some heartless persons in AOY tried to push us off of thinking to condemn our souls to hell. They may reap what they sow. We are the apple of Yahweh's eye as sincere believers.

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Subject: Truth About the Loyalty "Vow"


Author:
Parkis and Joy Waterbury
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Date Posted: 11:56:04 10/29/16 Sat
Don’t give up on Yahweh, give up on the human-created organizations that want to put Yahweh in a cage and control who gets salvation. They want the power, but not for the right reasons.

I too at first thought that by leaving the physical organization, called The Assemblies of Yahweh at Bethel, I was going against a vow I had taken. Upon closer inspection of the actual Baptismal Vow there was no such loyalty clause.

The document containing the Baptismal Vows had two sides. On one side there was "Instruction In Covenant Commitment". Four points of instruction by Elder Meyer educating prospective members on HIS desire for members (not Yahweh’s criteria). The instruction he gave, that is at the core of this conversation, was Point #3:

“Your loyalty is now to the Assemblies of Yahweh as the only true body of Messiah. You must be willing to function within that body.” (Eph. 4:1-7, Exo. 13:18, Num. 10:3 and John 15:4 were presented in support of Elder Meyer’s belief that his organization was the one true body.)

I was horrified when I read John 15:4 “Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it remain in the vine; so neither can you, except you remain in me.”

This passage was being used to bully members into believing that if they left the organization they would lose all hope of salvation, shrivel up and die. It was also being used to place the AOY organization at the same level as the Messiah, who really is the true vine. John 15:1. Yahshua the Messiah is speaking: “I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.”

The AOY wants everyone to believe IT is the true vine. How can the AOY be the true vine if the Messiah is the true vine? It can’t. Satan would love to have people replace Yahshua with an organization, and many people do that with their own religious affiliations. If your organization has become your idol and membership your goal, you have lost sight of the truth.

I don’t understand how a member of the AOY can say there are no other groups on earth keeping all the commandments of Yahweh, when the AOY frowned upon anyone contacting any other group or reading literature other than what Elder Meyer published. Elder Meyer preached much truth, but he was human and there were flaws.

Since pretty much the beginning, the AOY has stated it is the only group keeping all the commandments of Yahweh. How do they know? There is no way you can prove that. They don’t take into account that we all grow in faith and righteousness. The group or individual can change as they learn and grow. So how do they know the level of understanding of all the groups in the world? They don’t, Elder Meyer declared it, so it must be true.

Noble Bereans inspect the teaching to make certain it conforms with the scriptures. We all need to do this.

If you believe being a member of the AOY in Bethel is all you need to be saved, then by all means continue. If you believe Yahweh isn’t able to communicate to the world without a shortwave radio then by all means continue. But, if you ever want to know what the Word of Yahweh is doing today, you’re going to have to stick your head outside of the bunker.

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[> Subject: Re: Truth About the Loyalty "Vow"


Author:
Joy Waterbury
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Date Posted: 13:34:34 10/29/16 Sat
They are still saying the unpardonable sin is leaving the organization. They don't understand that the Body of the Messiah is not something mankind can determine or create. It is more and greater than anyone can restrain.

If I repent of the sin of leaving the organization, they'll take me back.

Why would I want to go back, when I see the hand of Yahweh moving forward in so many ways, with so many people? The Body is many parts. The talents are many. To think you are the only part of a plan as big as Yahweh's is foolishness.

What if leaving the "organization" was in fact Yahweh's will and you failed to read the memo. Maybe you would rather worship the organization, it's history, your relationships within it, and it's leaders, rather than worship Yahweh.

There's a reason they don't want you to talk to those who left. I love you, I miss you, but my first love is Yahweh and Yahweh is not a man-made organization. Yahshua didn't form an organization. He came to dismantle one.

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[> Subject: Re: Truth About the Loyalty "Vow"


Author:
Rachel McClammer-Love (Thankful for Truth Seekers)
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Date Posted: 16:45:01 02/11/17 Sat
The teachings were helpful. But, the constant reference to himself, J.O.M., or to what he disliked in others, using the poteum on Sabbath in order to speak of the human nature and taking away from or lengthening Biblical teachings became redundantly boreing.

All that you speak of regarding A.O.Y., Bethel, PA. Is True and well expressed, addition of supporting Biblical reference, well done.

After 12 years of faithfully following via tape ministry and The Sacred Name Broadcaster, my daughter and I were cleverly dumped on the wayside and ceased to receive communications or responses of what caused the silence from A.O.Y. offices. It left my daughter and me floundering a bit to keep a Biblical connected Sabbath. At the time there were no such ministries in our local and later what did come along turned out to have disbanded for questionable reasons.

Not wishing to burden anyone with my life story I found it inappropriate to force a person to be re-baptized just to join A.O.Y., or ministry, as if one has lost their faith in God and being baptized over and over as we continue to grow in The Word, is the answer to being a sincere believer. Not to mention my personal situations were not of such that many people cared to be friends. In my life my walk with The Lord was so hindered from the beginning, that what A.O.Y. offices did just added more hurt to struggle thru. It may be inappropriate to mention here, but one vindictive and well liked person in a big Church of God church had a few choice but rash words from her heart and mouth that caused my walk with the Lord to suffer much tribulation since 1982. I am now 67 and she still lies to me even when I try to forgive and see her as a believer who just did not know what she was doing to my fellowship in any assembly or church. It is a sin when believers do more harm to one another than a wayward believer ever received from non-believers. The ministries these days are full of deceit, seekers of signs because of their unbelieve and all forms of doctrinal misconstruing and disseminating of false doctrine. Confusion abounds in the churches and as many who come longing for a true love relationship with The Lord, as many are forced out of the worldly bound ministries, I guess, better off than remaining under false doctrines.

The office personnel of A.O.Y. chose to send specific tapes for Sabbath which could have influenced a weaker person to fall in apostasy or even suicide out of lack of fellowship or an injured relationship with Yahweh/Yashuah. What I call the subliminal suggestions, were all thru those tapes we received the two months before A.O.Y. ceased to communicate with us any further.

For that I know the office personal who cleverly arranged what tapes to send to us the last month or two before cutting us off without explanation, will be cause for judgment of them from Yahweh.

I can explain no further. But, admit many in this forum have been victims of A.O.Y in Bethel, PA. And we are true victims, my daughter and me.

Let me assure you, I never gave up or changed in believing the way I do, which came BEFORE, the A.O.Y. to be true at least two or three of my lengthy and well researched and documented studies, I passed on to the offices of Jacob Meyers, one one he thanked me for but two others he personally credited, almost word for word, as published in the Sacred Name Broadcaster magazine or as noted on the calendar two years after writing to him regarding The Feast of Dedication. I don't care about my studies he used, it was a true low blow the offices deal me in riding slander of anything in my life and not able to understand I was living with great difficulties in my life that A.O.Y. was not equipped to reasonably minister to me in how I should respond as a sincere believer.

KEEPING THE FAITH ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES AND THE TRUE RUACH haKODESH, every day of my life. Helping my maturing daughter stay focused after her disappointment in A.O.Y. lead to the enemy of our soul finding ways to deceive her for a short time.

Praying anyone who suffered in any way due to any form of wrong doing because of following the A.O.Y. ministry, that those persons remain faithful to Yahweh/Hashish and receive healing in what area of their lives such is needed.

Thank you for caring and sharing.

Rachel M.L. from Baltimore and resided in several states during the 12 years with A.O.Y., Bethel, PA.

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Subject: What a bad testimony!


Author:
Alex Jay (Come out of her my people!)
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Date Posted: 18:37:03 03/22/17 Wed
My wife and I spent several years at AOY; we were blessed by the teachings but left because of the paranoia that was so evident. YAHWEH gives life: How could His people be so dead? There is nothing wrong with the message of salvation. It is beautiful and life transforming. But no elder or his organization is the Way, the Truth and the Life. To place yourself in Yahshua's place is idolatry and rebellion. May YAHWEH bless your walk, hopefully without obstruction from misguided ministries. Read James 3:14-16

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Subject: Storm is coming on the AOY


Author:
HB (Intrigued)
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Date Posted: 05:51:46 12/20/10 Mon
Hmmm...where do I start. Well, I was an unfortunate AOY brat. My parents brainwashed and intimidated by the BS that came out of Bethel PA. It was either conform and get a nice beating from Dad and threatened to get kicked out with no support.

As a kid I unfortunately lacked the mental capacity to take any recourse. We lived in fear, not love. Thanks to my parents and the AOY I would have to say we've all become dysfunctial and screwed up in our adult lives.

Thankfully my parents woke up one day and left, but not before I was all ready grown up and suffered from all of it. Being in that group has caused me to suffer in my interpersonal relationships with people. I've had trust and self confidence issues and nightmares from the years of mental abuse it caused.

I believe it is time a class action lawsuit be taken against the AOY for the abuse it has caused.

I've come in contact with many of the young crowd (now adults) that were in the AOY, some that I used to associate with. We've all suffered mentally (some physicaly) from being forced into following the hypocratic rhetoric preachings of that group.

The group needs to be shut down to prevent other children from suffering the fate as we have. Being a part of the AOY is not safe for the well being of a childs mental and emotional development, or even an adults for that matter.

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[> Subject: Re: Storm is coming on the AOY


Author:
Ben (Complete Agreement)
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Date Posted: 10:14:50 05/28/20 Thu
I totally agree. My father was introduced to AOY a few years after he left the Navy in the late 70's. My first memory of the AOY was when I was about 3 or 4 years old. We lived in Indiana and would congregate with members in Missouri, or Ohio during Passover and other Holy Days when we could afford to go. I cannot stress how screwed up my family is. My dad would take every little thing that came from the AOY and instill it into the family rules and enforce it with an iron fist. My grandmother(his mother) always told him that your children will end up screwed up and won't be able to function in society if you keep them isolated from the world. Well, of course he wouldn't listen we were isolated from our peers and when we were finally allowed to go to public school because mom couldn't keep up with the math that was taught in the higher grades, we were made fun of, picked on, and had no idea how to get along with other people in the same age group. We had no social skills whatsoever. But there's really too much to write, but the jest is being a member of the AOY, my parents viewed any person outside of our family or the AOY to be "of the world" you know, the world in which we live and work and play right? Including any one in our family that were not members of the AOY, so we hardly ever got to see our grandparents or aunts and uncles. My dad had such an animosity towards them that he actually cussed out his own sisters when they stopped by our house one day to bring presents to us kids. I remember I believe it was the 1996 Feast of Tabernacles, we were able to make it to Bethel, and during one of Elder Meyer's prayers, my brother asked me for a tissue because he had a runny nose or something like that, well we just so happened to be sitting with some friends from Missouri during the prayer and sermon. After the sermon, psychopath Gary McAven came over, grabbed me and my brother both by the shoulder and started chewing us out, saying that we were joking around and laughing and being disrespectful. Now, while he was getting in my face, he let go of my brother who I positioned behind me, I was 14 and my brother was 11. My dad comes over to see what is going on, and Gary tells my dad that he should beat us to a pulp for disrespecting Elder Myer and that if dad didn't want to do it, he'd be happy to. Now, since my dad was abusive and pretty much took every word that came from any of the Elders or anyone in power in the AOY as pure gospel, he agreed; which is so messed up. I pleaded with dad and my step mom to listen to us, that what McAvin said he saw did not happen whatsoever. Even the people that were sitting around us, not our friends but other members that were sitting behind and in front of us told my dad that we were not doing anything inappropriate, but seeing as it was coming from Gary he didn't believe them. So, my brother and I got a beating with a belt that evening and grounded for the rest of the time there. Thankfully my step mom stepped in which she hardly ever did, probably due to my dad's volatile temper and the whole women are subservient to the men in that organization. But she stepped in and told dad that she didn't think that grounding us necessary, seeing as we just got a beating and we were at Bethel for the first time. I'm sorry, but now that I'm a father, and if anyone were to get in my sons' or daughter's face and start screaming at them like he did my brother and I, I would not care what the reason would be, I would commence beating his A** with extreme prejudice. I left home when I turned 18 years old. I used to work hard in school and get good grades, but in the AOY, that wasn't encouraged, unless you were going to Obadiah school of the Bible. My parents told me when I brought college applications home that I was only allowed to go to Obadiah, and only after I graduated there was I allowed to go to a "worldly" college. My whole experience growing up was filled with physical, emotional, and verbal abuse. Paired with the fact that we were separated from society, not really allowed to have friends or even have a childhood girlfriend. And not only that, my dad would take everything that he heard that Elder Meyer and his family or any other "Leadership" family was doing, and immediately would try to copy it and make our family do it. And he was never questioned either. To question it was to get a fist to the mouth, or chin, or a belt to any part of the body that it would reach. So when I left home, I thankfully had a great aunt that let me stay with her, but I was miserable, didn't know how to interact with other people, had very low self esteem, and was a very awkward person. The people that did accept me, weren't the greatest type of people, so I had my experience with drugs and alcohol. However, I'm clean today and I was never much of a drinker. But I would wish upon every star in the sky when I was little just to have a "normal" family. One that didn't use violence and fear to make you behave or do what they wanted you to do. But of course, just a childish wish. I have children of my own today, and I push them out into the world, make them take every opportunity that I was denied when I was a kid. I'll be damned if they end up damaged and weird like I was and still am. I would love it if there was a way to bring a suit against them. They deserve it. And just now finding this forum, and reading about what was all going on in the shadows, I am not shocked honestly. I can totally see something like what has been described happening in backward, messed up organization like the AOY.
Thank You, I hope everyone that has suffered can find peace and meaning in their lives, and have a great rest of their lives.

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Subject: Trying to piece it all together


Author:
Cultsurvior1
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Date Posted: 17:33:15 07/27/18 Fri
I cant remember most of my childhood. I know I was a victim of physical and emotional abuse as a student at Dalet School but I feel like something else happened to me that was very traumatic because years of my childhood are missing in memory. Anyone heard of possible sexual or physical abuse/torture happening to any children who attended Dalet?

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[> Subject: Re: Trying to piece it all together


Author:
Bubbles
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Date Posted: 09:58:48 12/07/19 Sat
There sexual abuse. One of the female teachers used to stroke my inner thigh and put my hand between her legs. She always told me how good I smelled.

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Subject: Bye Bye GARY


Author:
Meyer sibling
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Date Posted: 13:27:25 09/01/10 Wed
For a long time my father had wanted to get rid of Gary because of the court case involving insest that was making its way through the court, but that he couldn't take action because he said that Gary had things on him that Gary would use against the him and the family should he kick him out of the organization. Well, now my father is dead, and so it is time for Gary to go bye bye........

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[> Subject: Re: Bye Bye GARY


Author:
I know
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Date Posted: 19:17:11 09/20/18 Thu
All the good, moral people fled Bethe back in the 70's and early 80's....no one with morals would stay with the Jacob O. Meyer cult! Best to get out before you get taken advantage of financially, psychologically, and morally. Remember folks, the offspring of psychopaths are often psychopaths, it's genetic.
BEWARE OF MCAVIN
BEWARE OF THE MEYERS & MEYERISM
BEWARE OF BETHELL... Biblical FAKE RELIGION

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Subject: Re: Bye Bye GARY


Author:
The Thorn (:))
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Date Posted: 12:15:57 09/02/10 Thu
Standing in the way are we? IMLMAO! Meyer Sibling? Another Meyer pervert is more like it! Leverage against Elder Meyer? No! Leverage against his perverted children! Yes! There is a reason that most of Elder Meyer's children are not in the AOY, and like you, are on the outside! And if you are truly a Meyer sibling, you know why?

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[> Subject: Re: Bye Bye GARY


Author:
Yes, there is a reason (It just will not stop)
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Date Posted: 20:56:06 11/28/11 Mon
Well, the legacy and the lunacy just continues
at Bethel. (Every one here knows what I mean
and perhaps others as well, depending on how
long or effectively they cover it up this time)

How long do we have to put up with this madness?
What a mess. Are we supposed to think that this
supposed "leadership" has not known this for a
LONG time? Every one else has!

Just as the original "leadership" allowed perversion
to fester in his house (because of pride, arrogance
and deceit) it continues and just will not stop.

What a shame for the sincere individuals that have
been led astray.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Bye Bye GARY


Author:
Am seeing this even know. Even a rat knows when to ......
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Date Posted: 20:16:31 03/30/14 Sun
This is crazy.
How can we be part of this.

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[> Subject: Re: Bye Bye GARY


Author:
"The Thorn" (who is McAvin) is correct. The Meyers are perverts.
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Date Posted: 19:46:35 03/01/12 Thu
Yes McAvin (ooops! I mean "The Thorn") The Meyers are full
of perversion. The problem for you is - Who is more perverted? The Meyer clan or you who uses the knowledge of the facts of their perversion to blackmail them to put yourself into a position? (Talk about a position seeker!) It is true you will eventually prove that from the top down of the Meyer clan that it was ultimately all about self seeking and the perpetuating of the (J.O) Meyer name at the expense of all, but...
Your coruption has been bound up with their coruption.
Though you try to convince everyone that you are a "prophet" this is your true foundation.
Looking forward to standing near by the next few weeks to hear what you have to blabber about now.

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[> Subject: Re: Bye Bye GARY


Author:
Decon Mac
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Date Posted: 22:00:36 09/01/18 Sat
Date Posted: 21:26:30 10/05/11 Wed

Well, this is obviously not so. Just go to Gary's website.
This is the "rebuttal" site of the new prophet in the
AOY. He is getting ready to let every one know of the
sodomy and incest that has been going on in the Meyer
family from the start. He has been at least insinuating
this for some time now. (Although he has deleted most
of those post it matters not. The charges have been
brought to the forefront again)

Stay tuned. The new prophet has certainly taken these matters out of the "work of the ministry" of the AOY
and has moved on his own. He has also declared that
there will only be 1 or 2 left of the Meyer's (see
his rebuttal post).

1 or 2 does not a "3 fold" make.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Bye Bye GARY


Author:
Peek-a-boo
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Date Posted: 14:39:16 09/19/18 Wed
LOL it is really funny how Gary McAvin continues to speak of himself in third person. He continually refers to himself as "he" instead of "I" .....it is like the elephant that painted his toenails red so he could hide in a strawberry patch.

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Subject: flood of illegal porn links


Author:
stopitnow
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Date Posted: 15:34:15 04/07/18 Sat
There has been a flood of illegal porn links on this group
recently. Is this an attempt to make this group unreadable?
Might be off base here but McAvin is "somehow" some sort of
expert on all kinds of vile porn. If not his doing , Admin
please take note.

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[> Subject: Re: flood of illegal porn links


Author:
ADM
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Date Posted: 15:28:06 05/14/18 Mon
Narcissistic psychopaths cannot be turned around, they simply do not learn from their mistakes. The perv and his two compadres were refereed to as "the cord" of three strands by Owen (JOM; However, a title like "the three little pigs" would have been more appropriate, considering the history of perversion, is my opinion.

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Subject: Finding our Place in the Shun


Author:
Joy Waterbury
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Date Posted: 10:27:32 06/05/17 Mon
Finding Your Place in the Shun
by Joy Waterbury

Our family, and several others, left a certain religious organization a few years ago. For various personal and arbitrary reasons, its leadership decided we should all be shunned.

We were never informed about the actual shunning nor the reasons for it. I guess that’s because once you’re shunned no one is allowed to communicate with you, which would include any communication informing you of the shunning. I mean really, how would it look...

Dear Brother X,

This is not a communication to communicate that you are being shunned and will receive no communication. We cannot communicate the reason for your excommunication because doing so would be communication, and communication is prohibited under shunning. Disregard this communication as something we shouldn’t have communicated and perhaps through osmosis you will understand what it is you’ve done that deserved shunning.

Shuncerely,
The Leadership

So shunning becomes this military, clandestine operation, communicated on a “need to know” basis, and if you’re shunned, you apparently don’t need to know. Now, if you are the “shunner” this information is critical. If you don’t follow a shunning order precisely, you will be shunned.

Anyway, our specific shunning came as no surprise to us. As it goes, people are shunned because the leadership says to shun them and you stop shunning them when the leadership decides you should stop (which they never do). Shunning in these cases is used to exercise control over a group of people and keep them in a constant state of fear so they don’t even consider seeking information outside of the regularly scheduled feedings.

And what a remarkable job of shunning this method produces! If the Olympics held a shunning competition, it would be gold medals all around in events like the 10K Shun or the Triathashun.

It goes one step further. Now the organization indicates that it has authority to control those being shunned, even if those people are no longer in the organization. I say this because, despite being shunned, I have received communication from one of the shunners in which I’m admonished for not fulfilling my responsibility as a “non-believer” (or “shunnee”?). So not only do I hold the stigma of being shunned, but now I learn that I’m not even doing that right.

As a “non-believer” I’m told that it is my duty to refrain from contact with anyone who is a “believer” (no supporting scripture was given). So, apparently it’s my responsibility to enforce upon myself the shunning decision of an organization, I no longer belong to? All the work of shunning now falls squarely on my shoulders. I should not risk defiling a “believer” with my perceived heresy. I should be the one who crosses to the other side of the street when a “believer” approaches. Self-enforced shunning. I suppose I should desire to make the job of shunning easier on my persecutors. It’s the brotherly thing to do.

As one shunned, I really don’t think about it at all. I don’t feel compelled to sew a scarlet letter “S” on my pinafore or throw myself off a bridge. We persevere, continuing in the faith, praying, studying, learning, growing, asking forgiveness, forgiving others, fearing and pleasing Yahweh rather than fearing and pleasing men. It’s liberating when you can focus on the word instead of fear.

Shunning has its place, in the scriptures, in life, in certain circumstances outlined in the bible. But, if we don’t fully understand the entire scriptural process of shunning, we shouldn’t do it. Shunning in the hands of the arrogant, becomes a tool of hatred and bullying. I don’t think it’s wise to go around boasting our skills of shunning people just to prove our own righteousness to others. We also don’t need to get superstitious or overly dramatic with our displays of shunning either. We certainly shouldn’t violate other commandments, like showing kindness to your enemy, in favor of our desire to perfect our shunning skills. When the act of shunning incorporates a man-made agenda it clearly identifies who really are the ones that should be shunned.

So what do we do? 1.) Study shunning, so we don’t misapply the practice. 2.) Use the word of Yahweh to determine whether shunning is an appropriate measure. 3.)Pray to Yahweh guidance. 4.)Pray also for those who don’t understand what it is they do. And, even though you can’t reach those people (because you’re being shunned), know that Yahweh can, if he so wills, and we hope he does.

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Subject: Yahweh or Jehovah


Author:
Name
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Date Posted: 21:35:18 05/27/17 Sat
I was born and raised in the AOY organization. I believed what i was taught and I was sincere, i would pass out AOY tracks and witness to people. i was planning on getting baptized, and living for yahshua. however, when i became 21, i was subjected to certain information that proved to me that the AOY was a devil worshiping cult. I will provide all the information that will completely proved to you that Jesus is lord. I pray God almighty opens your heart as you read this and you are led to Christ.

First of all I want to say to all the people in AOY who are being abused by the leadership, I understand, I've been through it myself i know its rough. but you don't have to live the way they tell you and all the mental abuse they put you through is not your fault like they make it out to be.

Now the AOY has there own version of the bible, called "The Sacred Scriptures Bethel Edition" have any of you ever thought about where their bible came from or why there are hundreds of different versions of the bible. The reason for this is there are two different versions of the ancient texts. one is called the "textus receptus" the other is called the "alexandrian text" the Textus Receptus comes from Antioch its the closest to the originals that are in existences. The Alexandrian comes from Egypt which was edited by a man named Origen. that man took out verses that he didn't like and replaced them with verses he thought were more fitting. then him and his cult called the Alexandrians made copies of there bible and over time they spread out. now the Kings James version was translated from the Textus Receptus which makes up about 99 percent of all biblical Manuscripts. Now all the new age versions including the SSBE bible come from the Alexandrian Manuscripts. I would greatly encourage you to research the manuscripts and prove to yourself that the king james bible is the word of god. In Psalms 12 verse 6 and 7 it says this "The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever."

So in that verse god said he would preserve his words and purify them 7 times. the KJV is the 7th English translation and it took 7 years for the translators to translate that book.

Now what I wanted to get to was the name of the creator, i was told from a child that his name was Yahweh. however, it is NOT true and I will prove to you that the creators name is in Fact "Jehovah". Now before I was saved I always said, "Well there is no J in the Hebrew alphabet so it can't be Jehovah or Jesus."
Alright so let me explain, first off, how is it spelled in Ancient Hebrew? YHWH. so I have a question, how do you know to add the A and the E? well you don't know no one does, however, Romans 3 verse 1 and 2 gives you the answer. Paul says the the Jews preserved the oracles of God.
Well if you were a Jew 2 thousand years ago, you were the only one in the world who knew how to read those biblical manuscripts and the Jews are the ones who added the vowel points to the tetragrammaton and they added an "E O and an A" and the jews pronounced the Y like a J. Just like the Germans pronounce their J like a Y like in the German word for yes "Ja" it is pronounced "Ya" so the Ancient Jews called him Jehovah.

Now onto the name of Gods son. in the Greek Textus Receptus the name of the messiah is written "Iisoús Christós" In English that's Jesus Christ.

If you have any questions please let me know i'd like to help grow your faith in the lord Jesus, and if your not a Christian why not, about year ago, I came to god and said "Lord I'm a sinner, i deserve to go to hell, I'm no good but i believe you died for me will you please come into my heart and save me, In Jesus name Amen." and just like that I was born into god family

God Bless!

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Subject: CP-06-CR-0001377-200


Author:
CP-06-CR-0001377-200
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Date Posted: 21:52:48 06/09/11 Thu
CP-06-CR-0001377-200

McAvin,
Just incase you forgot....

Post the details to this
(You know what this is)

Your stories all being true (?),
this will all be over.

P.S Some of us are having a
hard time with this as there
are details applied to this
(CP-06-CR-0001377-200)
that seem to support the
"satanic, hell spawn,
narcissistic, jealous, etc...
people that rail against you
(you who are like a "Prophet of
old" and is one with the Messiah
in your "absolute Torah obedience"
and being completely persecuted
for that alone.)

Now you can rejoice! Just pull this
up, show the facts and all the world
can see that you have only been here
to promote peace, joy, kindness, love
and every other virtue.

You will also save a lot of your time.

All of your dastardly enemies have been
calling on you to publish the facts.

You will no longer have to spend all
the time you have been spending writing
diatribes that hardly anyone is getting,
against the false and crazy accusations
against you!

Here it is again (CP-06-CR-0001377-200)

Post your true facts and all these crazy
forums can finaly be shut down.

P.S.S (You will probably have to deal with
some Berks county court officials because
it seems that at least some have become
quite narcissistic and jealous of you also.
No matter! Truth is with you right? And
you can publish it on the net!)

Your good buddies "Hawke" and "Carnes"
should be able to help you with this
since they are such great law men and
investigators just like you.

You are set!

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[> Subject: Re: CP-06-CR-0001377-200


Author:
Martha durossette (Parents deprived)
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Date Posted: 18:49:23 01/03/17 Tue
I was deprived of any contact with my small children because of a Yahweh culture. They are the Law and the lawyers in the top. They had me kept away from my babies and I was beaten and robbed. I still grieve.

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Subject: Our sincere apologies to you all.


Author:
_Parkis and Joy W
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Date Posted: 10:48:24 05/25/14 Sun
First, we wish to personally apologize to the people who have shared their frustrations on this list.

When We first read your entries we were of those that disbelieved much of what you described. We sided with those that were the cause of your pain and truly regret it. We were blind and today we ask your forgiveness.

In turn, we also forgive those brethren who knew what took place in our situation and who failed to provide testimony as a second witness, chose not to get involved or downplayed and denied the events took place. It hurt us deeply at the time, but now we see it was part of Yahweh's plan and Praise Him for all He has shown us.

Next, we would like to publicly state that effective, January 20, 2014, after 29 years of “membership”, we are no longer worshiping with the Assemblies of Yahweh, located at Bethel, PA. We praise Yahweh for leading us out of the confusion, sin and hypocrisy and showing us His direction. The details of our personal ordeal are not important. Anyone interested in learning the truth is free to contact us.

Raise your hand if you were taught to believe there is no salvation outside of the AOY at Bethel. We were too, until Yahweh's Holy Spirit showed us the correct interpretation of John 15:2 ( a scripture used in the AOY Instruction in Covenant Committment to support the organization as being the one true body). When we examine the entire text we learn the vine is Yahshua, not the Assemblies of Yahweh organization at Bethel, PA. By obedience, Yahweh's people become the branches that are grafted-in to the vine, bearing fruit to repentance. Yahweh gave Yahshua the authority to determine who is cut off from the vine and He will do so with RIGHTEOUS judgment at Yahweh's appointed time. Praise Yahweh for Yahshua and our Hope of Salvation through obedience to the Word and His shed blood!

We remain fully committed to Almighty Yahweh and the sacrifice of His Son Yahshua the Messiah. We have separated from an organization that is not in harmony with Yahweh's Word. At our baptism we made a vow to faithfully serve Almighty Yahweh and His Son, Our Savior, Yahshua the Messiah. We cannot fulfill our vow in a place that is no longer serving Almighty Yahweh, a place where Yahweh's Holy Spirit is not evident.

We continue to pray for those left behind and struggling with the same decision. Please remember if you are a sincere, humble servant of Yahweh and follow in all His ways, he will not abandon you. Don't be fooled into thinking “I'm saved because I'm a member of the AOY, Bethel”, remember the Pharisees said virtually the same thing in Matt. 3:9. Yahweh is able to raise up another people anytime and anywhere. I believe that is what He is doing now.

Yahweh Bless You All!

Sincerely,
_Parkis and Joy Waterbury

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[> Subject: Re: Our sincere apologies to you all.


Author:
thinker
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Date Posted: 16:47:23 11/03/16 Thu
I'm sorry to hear all the woes you folks endured. I was involved with the Worldwide Church of God for most of my adult life, and it fractured into many groups. We believed in much the same way you did, only without the Name. A small group of us meet together every Sabbath and we don't have any leaders. We still keep the Feasts and do better at keeping YaHWeH's Laws because we don't have someone to tell us what we are reading. We read from different Bibles to see what they say and note the differences. Every translation is the perception of the translator and some use an erroneous word that changes the paradigm. So.... some of the favourite doctrines of the Leaders don't stand up to scrutiny. So the Churches of God are fracturing and dying out.

The group's are getting smaller because of attrition.

I believe this is going to happen in the Sacred Name Movement due to doctrinal differences. Jacob Meyers tried the same thing Herbert Armstrong did but it seems more stricter.

You don't need a human leader to keep YaHWeH's Royal Law of Love. I hope that you Parkis and Joy Waterbury stay in the faith and set an example on how to keep the Laws of YaHWeH's Government.

Because of the Sacred Name Movement we found out what the Creator's NAME is and with heavy dedication found out how to spell the Mashiach's Name. It was under our noses all of the time but didn't find it until a few years ago. It is spelled.... יהושע ..... or YaHUsha. Most groups spell it this way but don't pronounce it this way. If your computer doesn't understand the Hebrew or Aramaic scrip, and the Greek script, you can get someone to make it work at your computer store.

We opened up our own site and call it the Assembly of YaHWeH but our leader is YaHWeH and HIS only begotten Son YaHUsha..... check us out.....

http://www.assemblyofyahweh.ca/what-do-you-mean-jesus.php

We are still creating it but you are welcome to say whatever you want in the Forum. We started the Forum a few years back but stalled on having it wide open until now.

May YaHWeH bless you with the very best.

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[> Subject: Re: Our sincere apologies to you all.


Author:
Quincy George (Disappointed)
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Date Posted: 07:45:51 12/20/16 Tue
shalom i read your posts and i am very surprised to learn that you are not in the AOYanymore. i am a former member from trinided and my father in law Paul Sherriff was disfellowshiped after he dared to challenge the leadership after the way they treated him. i was also threathened when i started asking questions. my eyes were opened from then on. i remember you used to conduct the auction at tabernacles in bethel, iwas there a couple times. i would love to speak to you . i am 34 years and married with 3 children. we still strive to follow the word and keep the commandments, but our attitude and perspective on many things have somewhat been adjusted as we have been moved to reconsider many things we were taught.my email is teshuvah19@hotmail.com.please contact me.shalom in Yahshua's name.

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Subject: The damage never goes away


Author:
jemtotreasure (still suffering, but surviving)
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Date Posted: 22:20:03 10/05/10 Tue
Well, I'm sure that by the user name many of you can guess who I am. I don't really give a shit. My father joined AOY when I was 7, thinking he had finally found the "truth". What he found was an organization that slowly, like AIDS or cancer, corroded his heart and killed my family. Oh, we are all surviving, physically, but mentally, emotionally and spiritually, we are all still suffering. A lot of healing has been done on mine and my Dad's parts (and my stepmom and half brothers, too). Like the song "Every Rose Has It's Thorn" by Poison says (oh, yeah, I listen to rock music now-guess that makes me "worldly" oh f-ing well!) "Like a knife that cuts you the wounds heal, but that scar, that scar remains." How true. I have done a LOT of forgiving. Some days I think I have totally forgiven. Others, I think about how much that screwed up organization with a totally screwed up leader totaly screwed up my life and my way of thinking. Don't get me wrong. In some ways, I am grateful, as odd as that may sound. Because my experience made me stronger. A little more jaded and bitter perhaps, but stronger. But I, out of my original family of four children (now I KNOW you will all know who I am-I don't care) am the only one who has returned to keeping the sabbath, holy days and dietary laws. My brother is Catholic. One of my sisters is Methodist. My other sister is agnostic. Sad--especially for four children who were brought up to learn a memory verse every Sabbath and taught to memeorize the books of the bible and attended services every week once we moved to Beth-hell. The real slap in the face for me was not getting to finish high school. Now, every time I meet someone new, go to a job interview, make a new friend, or talk to my kids about that, I have to explain that I wasn't kicked out of my senior year and my house because I was some kind of drug-addicted dissident. No. I was an 18 year-old girl who wanted to wear make-up and date boys. Oh horrors. That made me so terrible. NOT!!!!!!!!!!!! Even my daughter, who is now 17, has a hatred for what that organization did to me, even though she will never fully understand it. Someday, I intend to write my story. I think it will be the final step in the healing process for me, although, as I said earlier, it will never be totally over for me. I have been happily dating a Catholic man (I pretty much refuse to date someone in "the faith" because the men are just too jaded, in my opinion) for 11 months now. And even though he is kind, loving, supportive and wonderful, I have trust issues with him. It's not that he's not trustworthy. It's me. It's every relationship I've ever been in, including my former marriage. And I know it's due primarily to seeing men as being "in authority" and I don't trust authority--especially men in authority. Because their authority was used to abuse me--us--my family. I take solace in knowing that there is this website, which another survivor whom I reconnected with on Facebook told me about last week. To its creator, I say THANK YOU. It's about time. We ALL needed this. I will be sharing this info with my family. I especially take solace that, like me, one day JOM will stand before Almighty Yahweh, to be judged. I somehow don't believe that he will say "well done, good and faithful servant." I will pray for all of you tonight as I fall asleep. May you all find peace within. May Yahweh Bless and Keep you all. JEM

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JDS
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Date Posted: 18:55:40 03/18/11 Fri
Wow..I am so amazed to learn this. While I once attended AOY, my heart and soul sincerley was trying to find and adhere to the truth. I am not surprised. Gary was authoritarian and never warm and compassionate. I drug family weekly to Sabbath, for I wanted to serve Yahweh and wanted blessings for my childrne and family. I was in my second marriage and wanted my children to have good moral upbringing. My ex-husband was not as supportive as he appeared at AOY. But JOM thought he was great, he deceived many. My children who are older now, have told me I ruined their childhood. Clean foods, sabbath, FOT and Passover, the rigid dogmatic rules were hard on everyone, but especially me, because I wsa the one who tried so hard to be righteous. My ex never helped. I wanted to serve and I wanted to do the right thing. I thought I would feel closer to Yahweh. But attending AOY, made me feel further away. The judgement and criticism is not warranted and destroyed my faith for some time. No makeup, no sitting with others if you were UNCLEAN, no running if your a child on Sabbath, no TV, no family, no making coffee with coffee maker, its Sabbath, excommunicate from the world. INSANE. Meanwhile, I struggled as I watched so many of the families at AOY be financially strapped. Girls were not encouraged to go to college or respected for their educational accomplishments. Graduating was a sin, you can't wear a cap and gown. If you missed a Sabbath, you were frowned upon. How about FASTING, I was appaled when 3 year old children were being made to Fast. This was the breaking point for me. A child made to fast becaues JOM said so according to scriptures. Where were you? We are your family? There were a few kind sould caught up in trying to serve as well. I wanted to bad to be spiritually right. My ex, demanded we no longer attend. It was a game for him anyway, he wasn't sincere. He said, our kids will rebel. Meanwhile, one year after leaving, my ex drugs my daughter, intention molest. My son saves her. I fight incessntly with him, decide divorce because he clearly was not a moral man nor a Yahweh loving man. I learn one year later, he molested my daughter for 5 years as a little girl. Well, you can imagine what this did to me. My faith was broken, my daughter molested, I have little family support, and I was left to ask Yahweh WHY??? My heart was pure. Don't tell me otherwise. Well, I don't what the answer is, but I know one thing, WOLVES DO HIDE IN SHEEPS CLOTHING. People are deceptive and if it doesn't feel right, than it ISNT. As a woman and a mother, I am trying to reeducate my daughter, TO TRUST her instincts, and trust her spirituality and TRUST herself. Others don't define you, and our creator certainly is not HATEFUL, revengeful and judgemental. I have learned we are all ONE, we all come from the same source, and our goal is love and compassion. It is not follow TORAH laws and losing your connection with your creator. We are suppose to grow closer. We are to be kind and loving and compassionate. If someone judges you becaues you chose to wear makeup, or stay home on Sabbath to rest, this is not compassion this is CRITICISM. This is what AOY was to us! Next to marrying my ex, AOY was a big big mistake for my family. I only hope those who are there are able to shake the brainwashing and know and trust their own hearts and understanding of faith and GOD-YAHWEH. AOY was damaging to my family and especially my faith. I am so relieved to be out of the brainwashing and cult like thinking.

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C.L.. (affected for life)
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Date Posted: 21:22:30 08/08/13 Thu
My ex husband and I were in the AOY since the late 70s until around the year 2000.We were still married then of course and it truely was a living nitemare.My children are
grown now and have become physcologically crippled from being brought up in a such an overly strict ,fearful environment such as the AOY.I found most of the men were encouraged to domineer their wives.In my case it became
physical and mental abuse from my then husband. I could not
stand it anymore when I found out He liked men more than me.
I have since leaving the AOY,become very fearful of organized religious groups of any kind .
They did say there was no where else to go amd that if you
left the AOY youd go to Ghenna ,the lake of fire.
when a member, we felt scrutionized every Sabbath. You lived in fear of being disfellowshipped , JOM was definately on a power trip .I hear they play his old tapes
for services still.I dont mean to judge anyone but we sure felt enough judgement from them in the past and as I said
you never get over the damage done. I didnt even go into
details of mental abuse done to members , i cant bear to relive it all.(I am not worried about going to Ghenna since
leaving the AOY) I still Love my Yah and Saviour .I pray that those still in the AOY have their eyes opened and escape the cultish nitemare which controls every aspect of their lives.

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The aoy does NOT have a good reputation
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Date Posted: 20:03:51 03/30/14 Sun
This story is one of the many very sad stories
that we know about. It would be of much interest
to most, the stories that circulate around the
area about the aoy. Even after several years
removed from the aoy, people who have never
been involved after finding out that I was,
ask me very embarrassing questions about the
group.

How long will it be until being free from the
shame that was the aoy?

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[> [> Subject: Re: The damage never goes away


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Virginia Morgenthal
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Date Posted: 17:37:30 04/24/15 Fri
Yeah JDS. You also did a number on your kids and mine. I told you this was a cult!!!!! You are moronic and self righteous.

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JDS
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Date Posted: 23:52:38 09/10/16 Sat
Virginia Morgenthal I am sorry that this hurt your son. Truly, at that time I was sincerely seeking spiritual truth. The other convoluted aspects revealed later fed into those decisions. I have no doubt I was self-righteous during those times but as ego and fear distorts the truth, I sincerely am sorry and I understand your anger.

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[> Subject: Re: The damage never goes away


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David (Francis)
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Date Posted: 21:49:23 12/20/15 Sun
I used to follow this religion years ago. I was controlled by fear,guilt and shame so much. I could never be happy or free. I would just like to know what you believe is true about what they are teaching and what is not true. Because there are so many different religions of the Bible out there today.
What is the simple gospel of the Messiah that we must obey? Nothing more, Nothing less?!
Is there one true religion?

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Subject: Pardon: forgiving or being forgiven.


Author:
Gln Sphr
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Date Posted: 20:41:44 08/14/16 Sun
It is with great consternation that I feel compelled to level the playing field; and I humbly ask of your indulgence. Please understand we of the Assemblies of Yahweh do not proselytize; as it has been Elder Meyer's policy to simply witness Scriptural truth, and it is incumbent upon each person to make their own decision on whether to adhere or not. However at immersion we are bound by our promise to maintain qualifications for membership in the Assemblies of Yahweh. Where each member in good standing shall have been baptized into the Name of Yahshua the Messiah. And each member shall be living a life of total submission to our Heavenly Father Yahweh and to His royal Law, a life which indicates repentance and conversion. Everyone immersed makes a solemn promise to remain in agreement with the statement of doctrine and recognize it as a summary of the sound doctrines proclaimed by the inspired Scriptures.

Proverbs 15:9,10 The way of the wicked is an abomination to Yahweh: but he loves him that follows after righteousness. Correction is grievous to him that forsakes the way: and he that hates reproof shall die.

Elder Jacob O Meyer is a lot of things to a lot of different peoples. To most he was the President and Bishop of the Assemblies of Yahweh, and known simply as Elder Meyer. As a Religious Leader, Radio and Television Broadcaster, Author, Publisher, Teacher, Pastor, and lastly parent; he worked constantly teaching the bible, and the good news of the soon coming Kingdom of Yahshua The Messiah.
Inextricably many patriarchs who have also endeavored to sacrifice their lives to inculcate the metanoia of Yahweh have been tried and incessantly attacked by Satan, sometimes through evil descendants I.e. Genesis 4:6-8; 9:25; 27:41; 35:22; 1 John 3:12.

That being said; my knowledge of Elder Meyer is from the perspective of about thirty years of getting to know him through the Assemblies of Yahweh, twenty five of which I have been a baptized member; and much to my chagrin not all have been in good standing. However I want to be on record stating that to any of you who are victim to criminal offenses by evil perpetrators; who through no fault of your own suffered horrendously and grievously. It is with deep consideration that I pray you may find whatever it is you need for solace and closure. Albeit those of you who suffer as victimless casualties, Buck up; because we are at war with the evil one.

Elder Jacob O Meyer although at times was austere, because he took his commission very seriously, as well as his conviction that every member of the Assemblies of Yahweh strive to work on their personal salvation, which would achieve life eternal. This passion to learn and teach the Truth of Yahweh, and to keep believers pure and unspotted from the world; was driven out of love for all who shared that very same conviction. However what that individual did when they heard those words of truth is what predicated their relationship with Almighty Yahweh. Herein lies the verity of the juxtaposition of the blessings and the curses, as of all prophetic utterances, that is they are fulfilled with regard to the individual and or the families in question as a whole, but do not predict, like an irresistible out come, the unalterable end result to control every individual; on the contrary, they leave room for freedom of personal decision, and no more cut off the individuals and or the so called accursed family from the possibility of conversion, or close the way of salvation against the penitent, than they secure the individuals or the family blessed against the possibility of falling from a state of grace, and actually losing the blessing.

The harsh reality for everyone who enters in the covenant of Yahweh with a notional or idealistic promise is imminent failure. There is an immutable fact that when a person is wrong and won't change they will always become angry. And at the most basic level they only have themselves to blame.

There are no other organizations on earth trying to follow every injunction of Almighty Yahweh as the Assemblies of Yahweh. This can only be contributed to the due diligence of our beloved Elder Jacob O Meyer, who through the Holy Spirit of Father Yahweh, upheld the faith of His Son Yahshua the Messiah. Ultimately it is incumbent on everyone to work out their own salvation with fear and trembling c.f. Philippians 2:12–16. Whether you chose to be apart of Yahweh’s true Assembly or not is entirely a personal decision. c.f. Deuteronomy 30:15–20; Ephesians 4:4-6; Romans 12:4,5; John 15:4-6.

My personal witness is that Elder Jacob O Meyer, O.B.M. has ardently prayed everyone would come to this very conclusion. "In Yahshua's Name, May Almighty Yahweh Have Mercy On Us All."

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Subject: Question


Author:
David (Francis)
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Date Posted: 21:57:29 12/20/15 Sun


I used to follow this religion years ago. I was controlled by fear,guilt and shame so much. I could never be happy or free. I would just like to know what you believe is true about what they are teaching and what is not true. Because there are so many different religions of the Bible out there today.
What is the simple gospel of the Messiah that we must obey? Nothing more, Nothing less?!
Is there one true religion?

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TruelyFree
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Date Posted: 12:06:37 07/26/16 Tue
No there is no true religion. Religion like politics is made up by man to exercise power over one another. I grew up in AOY and wonder for so long the same thing. I think the only and greatest thing to lead to truth is this: love. Love thy neighbor as thyself. Something I definitely did not learn at AOY, which taught hate and fear.

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Subject: the late Jacob Meyer and inconsistency


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MiamiRockStar
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Date Posted: 18:24:11 03/02/11 Wed
Hey,my stepfather had a somewhat distant relationship with the AOY ministry when he was younger,he said that Elder Jacob Meyer really was inconsistent with what he preached and whate he practiced (celebrating birthdays,observance of Shabbat,etc.) could any ex members elaborate on what specifically he did to turn a lot of folks off?I know that it could turn into a real firestorm out in Bethel,PA every now and again from what my stepdad told me.What is the name of his dairy farm he owned?I read somewhere he went by the title "Sir" Jacob Meyer?Is that true?Love,peace,and chicken grease.....

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[> Subject: Re: the late Jacob Meyer and inconsistency


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Shmo (Jovial)
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Date Posted: 07:27:24 01/28/12 Sat
MiamiRock Star: "Chicken grease" not with standing, I can tell you a few facts about the late Jacob O. Meyer and his AOY Cult. First, it is not true that he ever went by "Sir, Jacob O. Meyer." He was, however, always addressed as "Elder" Meyer and he require people to stand whenever he entered or exited a room. Meyer touted the AOY as the "exclusive" source of truth and often said that there is no salvation outside of the AOY -- PERIOD! When ever some of his subordinates gave "sermonettes" (short messages before the, often very long, main sermon, their messages were full of praises for Jacob O. Meyer. It was not at all uncommon for "Elder" Meyer to be mentioned favorably or given adulation in a sermonette 3 or 4 times to mentioning Yahweh or Yahshua once. He surrounded himself with a small select group of henchmen. They would surround him like secret service aganets surround the president after each Sabbath service as he walked toward the rear of the building. His henchmen would often strike up the seemingly most innocent conversation or ask seemingly innocent questions of the members. the purpose of the questions or conversations was to test the loyalty of individual members or to find out if there was "...sin in their lives." When ever any thing went wrong, for example, with the WMLK shortwave station, Meyer (and McAvin as well) would blame the problem on "sin in the congregation." During a Sabbath meeting, Meyer would ask "Who is it -- who has the sin in their life that is bringing a curse and causing problems?" McAvin would get behind the pulpit, waggle his finger at the congregation, and proclaim, "Your sins will find you out." If a person was deemed "guilty" of some misdeed, real or imagined, McAvin would often say in a loud, bombastic voice, "You'll deal with me!" McAvin was fond of making threats of physical violence against certain members, especially younger members for almost any reason, sometimes because he simply didn't like the way a young man might wear his hat, or might walk around wearing sunglasses.
By the way, almost evey Sabbath Jacob O's announcements would extend to 15 or more minutes and his opening prayer was equally long, not to mention a sermon lasting an hour and a half or more. Someone said there is no incest in the AOY. I don't know if this is true or not, but Rachel Meyer claimed she was forced to have sexual relations with two of her brothers, one of whom is a convicted sex offender and listed on the Wisconsin sex offender Website. And of coure, McAvin's youngest daughter claims that she too was molested by her father. So inshort, and in my personal opinion, the AOY at Bethel was and continues to be nothing more than a crass dictatorship that promotes fear and loathing rather than the fruits of the Holy Spirit - Gal. 5:22. As for the rest, judge for yourself.

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[> Subject: Re: the late Jacob Meyer and inconsistency


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Adam (Question)
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Date Posted: 20:56:26 11/04/15 Wed
Jonathan Meyer once gave a sermon in which he preached against celebrating birthdays. Shortly after that the Meyer Family held a birthday party for him!

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Subject: Solomon Meyer Splits with Assemblies of Yahweh


Author:
Alan
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Date Posted: 21:45:14 09/24/15 Thu
Solomon Meyer has split with Assemblies of Yahweh and started his own organazation. It seems that there was a power struggle between the Meyers and Gary McAvin. Many members of the Assemblies of Yahweh have left Bethel because of the McAvin problem. Solomon Meyer calles his group "Yahweh's Obedient Servants Ministry" Below is part of a letter Solomon wrote about the power struggle at Bethel.


To My Brethren,
The most recent conversations between us as the administrative committee have been very troubling for
me. I have been given great pause as I have considered the rashly-spoken words and the fact that this
situation between us has been allowed to remain unsettled. In my opinion we can proceed no further
until this issue is resolved because the disharmony among us is affecting the Assembly in general and I
fear we will bear the burden of Yahweh’s wrath if we are at fault for causing the brotherhood to be
weakened through our actions. From the very weeks following Elder Meyer’s death there has been an
undercurrent of political maneuvering coming from the direction of Gary McAvin in what is
obviously an effort to install Nathaniel as the Directing Elder. Beginning with his open declaration of this
intent in July of 2010, he has attempted to manipulate a number of situations in order to further this
agenda. Gary McAvins declaration that a legal challenge to the current structure in our meeting of
November 20 should be taken seriously as undoubtedly he knows from where that challenge is coming.
November 20 was the first time I had the opportunity to acquire a copy of the bylaws of the Assemblies of
Yahweh organization. I regret not having obtained a copy previously because the bylaws, if properly
interpreted, when combined with the Assemblies of Yahweh Statement of Doctrine, Elder Meyer’s
Biblical Ecclesiatical Assembly Administration book and Elder Meyer’s Spiritual Will answer this issue
without doubt. What has happened since the time the Will was found and read has been a series of errors.
We failed to do as we have been taught and to harmonize all of these writings and reach a deductive
solution. This has opened up the door to those who have political aspirations to use inductive reasoning
and truly proof-text their positions. After a careful reading of these relevant documents I present the
following as my findings:........

Deacon Solomon Meyer

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[> Subject: Re: Solomon Meyer Splits with Assemblies of Yahweh


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Date Posted: 22:13:14 09/25/15 Fri

It seems easy to solve this problem with the Gary McAvin faction. Simply kick him out of the organization, just as the scriptures tell you to do. After all he was charged in a court of law for molesting his own daughter, so what is the problem? Sodomizing children should not be tolerated. It is obvious that this man is a low functioning psychopath and therefore genetically defective. Under Moses these type of individual were taken to the gate of the city and stoned before they reached maturity so that they couldn't spread their bad genetic material around, thus ending the contaminated genetic line. See Deuteronomy 21 He has a long history of rebellion including jail time in NM.
Oh by the way there is no such office as “directing elder” in the Bible, but there is such a thing as president of the board under Pennsylvania law and upon the death of the president of the board the vice-president becomes president and all that Johnathan needs to do is boot him out, so polish your black leather boots and get them ready to kick some pervert a-s. If you don't have a pair of black leather boots, just check daddy's old closet. McAvin's posturing is typical of a low functioning psychopath. Learn how to deal with low lives or they will walk all over you.

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[> Subject: Re: Solomon Meyer Splits with Assemblies of Yahweh


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Adam (Thoughtful)
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Date Posted: 19:04:04 11/02/15 Mon
It is amazing how a nut case like McAvin can split families. Of course, Nathaniel is his son-in-law. Didn't McAvin pleaad guilty to corruption of minors in an incident involving his youngest daughter? McAvin has an uncontrollable temper and is known for often threatening other members with physical violence. But he is just one of several "henchmen" attempting to control members through fear, threats and verbal back biting. Another villan is Jeffrey Dolph. Then there's also Ray Shaparenko, and Don Mick (the latter lving in Akron, OH) and others. Since Johnathan Meyer is older than "Nate" and has been an "Elder" longer, why isn't he in charge? It has often been said "There is no love at Bethel." True, there is no love, no mercy. no compassion, no concern for others, no respect for individuals. But there is plenty of "political" manuvering, and an abundance of the old guard dictatorial attitude. My oh my! What would Yahshua say? Happy you had the courage to make the decision you did, Solomon. YHWH bless you.

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Subject: Incest in Assemblies of Yahweh


Author:
C. Meyer
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Date Posted: 23:11:43 05/26/15 Tue
Secrets come out. Micah was involved with the family incest
from Meyer child #4 thru #8. I have court papers that say it all. Brother with brother and brother with sister. It is pretty distrubing what went on. Micah didn't molest his children because he came to Wisconsin as the AOY would like their members to believe or anyone else for the matter. It started when he was at Bethel. In the same building that the AOY is in today. You see I was married to Micah. He molested my children that is something we live with very day. It doesn't go away. You watch the news and there is always some other child being sexual abuse. It wasn't just brother/brother/sister they
also involved another young girl at the time in it. Yes, no one believed Rachel when she told her family. Said she was lying. When Micah was confronted with what he did to the girls he said,"WHAT DO I DO THAT WAS SO WRONG." For someone raised in the bible, having a father as an elder he should have known. JOM had us all believing that once you were at Bethel you couldn't leave that you would fall by the wayside. Wrong!
Yes, I lived with Joseph and his family when I went to Bethel. Joe would come in the house daddy would drive in the yard...Joe was going out the back door, so daddy would't know he was in the house. UNBELIEVEABLE
You couldn't go to JOM has a son/daughter/daughter/son-law
would go to a father. He was the Elder not the father/father-inlaw. How can one lead others when his own
house needed ruling. YAWEH created us in His image. He gave us a brain to think for ourselves. Not to be brainwashed by others. He knows what is in our hearts and minds. "Beware of the wolf in sheeps clothing"

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Subject: Please help my loved one who is vulnerable due to being incarcerated


Author:
Amanda
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Date Posted: 12:01:09 01/29/15 Thu
My loved one is incarcerated at Snake River in Ontario Oregon and due to limited communication with the outside, in the world of prison(they have no money as they earn like 12 cents an hour so cannot afford phone nor stamps hardly-if even lucky enough to have a job in prison at all) and has been brainwashed to the Assemblies of Yahweh and even baptized. There is no one who has access to him (even getting on a visitor list takes weeks and requires prison approval and ID and etc)so the brainwashing is severe in this environment of desperate and lonely men with long sentences and guards and other inmates who spend their time in a pecking order system of socialization(or lack thereof). His name is James Howard, please help him see this is merely a cult that brainwashes and takes away from true bible study with a questioning and intelligent mind. There should be no go-between such as this cult- it is a person and their bible- not a wedge between them to derail true bible study.

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Subject: McAvin's memory loss or denial or what ever is going on with him.


Author:
What??!!!!?!??!!
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Date Posted: 22:12:44 05/28/11 Sat
Gary A McAvin (does the A stand for "Aiden" before it was changed to "Eiden" to cover up one of his lapses) is either experiencing severe memory loss or is an insane liar.

The below can be pulled up. (McAvin perhaps thinks, or is at least hoping that expunged means there is no trace at all left to his deeds)

Gary McAvin
Date of Birth: 10/04/1944
Race: WHITE
Gender: Male
ADDRESSES Address 1: TOWER CITY, PA 17980

V CRIMINAL OFFENSE 1
Case Number: CP-06-CR-0001377-200 Offense Type: Assault Offense Code: 1831251
Offense Description: AGGRAV INDEC ASSLT-W/O CONS Date 04/23/2004 V

CRIMINAL OFFENSE 2Offense Date: 09/01/2002
Case Number: CP-06-CR-0001377-
200Offense Type: AssaultOffense Code: 183126A1
Offense Description: INDEC ASSLT-W/O CONS OF

Just incase you have forgotten McAvin, here is the case number again: CP-06-CR-0001377

and one more time: CP-06-CR-0001377

Guess what happens when one contacts the Berks county court system, ask for the DA and makes an inquiry with this information. It turns out that the above info was just step one in the precedings.

Does everyone remember what McAvin has been completely denyng? (Do you McAvin?- just incase you do have some sort of severe memory loss)
Perhaps McAvin will claim that the DA is narcissistic because she does not have a favorable report concerning Gary A McAvin. (McAvin, can you please explain (perhaps more simply for us dumb "hellspawn" types) how that when someone points out your massive short comings, they do so because they are "narcissistic"?)

Oh, and guess what. Does everyone remember everything else McAvin has been denying?
(By the way McAvin, why did you delete all your rants on your, yes your, "Lies" on the net site?) Well.....

Since you are now "seriously" considering yourself a "prophet of old" perhaps you can let everyone know what will come of all of this now.

Perhaps you can start with revealing how very close to you this has all come from.

What is perhaps worse is that all, yes ALL, of the administration knew at the time of these matters. This of course includes the present time also.

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The so called "3 cords" continue to fray. Check back in 5 months.
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Date Posted: 20:52:21 04/15/12 Sun
Well, it is true. The whole family is in on all this.
Their rotten fruit continues to come forth. Just as the
source of this orginazation (and it was not the All Mighty-
just listen to all those who buttered up the true source all the time) did not have his house in order, so are the offspring that follow his ways.

How bad is it? Even a rotten pervert like McAvin can keep them in check with his blackmail.

What a shame for all those who came into this mess
with some sort of sincerity

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3 fold cord a sham. Political maneuverings continue.
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Date Posted: 07:05:34 08/07/14 Thu
Everyone watching and being honest knew that the
aoy would come to nothing. The political maneuverings,
latent hatred and oppression of the people are tearing
it apart. Another religion pops up and then goes away.

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Subject: Re: HELP US HELP OUR FAMILY WITHIN THE ASSEMBLIES OF YAWEH ELDER . Meyer


Author:
EX-Member
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Date Posted: 00:12:03 12/01/08 Mon
The sect called the Assemblies of Yahweh ran by Jacob O. Meyer is just a splinter group within the Sacred Name Movement. The original group is located in Holt, Michigan. They won't give you any information on the Bethel cult, but if you were just looking for another Sacred Name group to join they should be a consideration. Their website is located here, http://www.assemblyofyahweh.com They are called the Assembly of Yahweh. More recently there was another split and a number of people left and formed a group located in Georgia their website is located here: http://www.yahstruth.org/ The group is called Yahweh's Philadelphia Truth Congregation. I don't know if they are still around or not since they have not published a newsletter since July. It was founder by an Elder who was at Bethel, where Satan's seat is for many years.
There is also Don Mansager's group located in Kingdom City, Missouri their website is located here, http://www.yaiy.org/ called Yahweh's Assembly in Yahshua. This Elder was a former board member of the Assemblies of Yahweh before he resigned and left the organization during what was called the "Bethel Exodus" in about 1980, when the whole staff resigned and left the Bethel sect. Meyer has attacked these groups with lies and other verbal attacks over the years.

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Subject: Did Jacob O. Meyer"s father sexual abuse grand children and great grandchildren


Author:
grapevine
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Date Posted: 19:30:20 03/11/14 Tue
I heard that Jacob O Meyer may have sexual abuse family members. Does anyone know about this. Is it true or a lie. I have a vested interest in this matter.

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Subject: Jacob O. Meyer and his Assemblies of Yahweh


Author:
Gary
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Date Posted: 16:47:20 08/04/08 Mon
While Jacob O. Meyer claims he is some sort of "Moses," his actions speak louder than his words. Does Jacob O. Meyer follow the teaching of the Bible himself? After being around the Assemblies of Yahweh of Bethel, Pennsylvania, I would have to say absolutely not. Hypocrisy is rampant in this group. While they give lip service to Moses and the law, they fail to follow it themselves.

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[> Subject: Re: Jacob O. Meyer and his Assemblies of Yahweh


Author:
Franklin Eugene Rhoads (The Joyful)
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Date Posted: 19:07:05 10/30/08 Thu
>While Jacob O. Meyer claims he is some sort of
>"Moses," his actions speak louder than his words.
>Does Jacob O. Meyer follow the teaching of the Bible
>himself? After being around the Assemblies of Yahweh
>of Bethel, Pennsylvania, I would have to say
>absolutely not. Hypocrisy is rampant in this group.
>While they give lip service to Moses and the law, they
>fail to follow it themselves.

I would need more of a witness to aligations against The Assemblies of Yahweh - Bethel, PA. I have yet to see any provable aligation made against them on this forum.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Jacob O. Meyer and his Assemblies of Yahweh


Author:
Franklin Eugene Rhoads (The Joyful)
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Date Posted: 10:46:08 10/31/08 Fri
I have added a link to this dicussion forum to two of my web pages at:

YAHWEH NISSI
http://www.ourchurch.com/member/y/YAHWEH-NISSI

Other Links Of Interest - Recent News On HOY
http://www.ourchurch.com/view/?pageID=124642



>I would need more of a witness to aligations against
>The Assemblies of Yahweh - Bethel, PA. I have yet to
>see any provable aligation made against them on this
>forum.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Jacob O. Meyer and his Assemblies of Yahweh


Author:
searcher (shocked)
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Date Posted: 16:36:10 02/10/14 Mon
lol,you maybe lacking the conviction of the holy spirit.And you know.There is nothing holy about the AOY.

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[> Subject: Re: Jacob O. Meyer and his Assemblies of Yahweh


Author:
Abib 2014. Wow! What continued complete incompetence!
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Date Posted: 20:52:59 03/01/14 Sat
Hopefully all those that wish to be aware
will be catching on by now.

It has all been a trap.

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Subject: So much for the "prophetic" selection of the "3 fold"


Author:
All hail the new prophet!
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Date Posted: 15:08:41 01/28/14 Tue
So much for the supposed "prophetic"
selection of the so called "3 fold".

All hail the new prophet!

He's coming for you.

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Subject: We heard what you said McAvin. Explain. if you can.


Author:
We heard what you said McAvin. Explain. if you can.
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Date Posted: 19:14:09 09/24/13 Tue
How do you continue to get away with what you
say and do?

Perhaps what is said by those who are watching
you is true.

Every one be warned! Check everything VERY carefully!

McAvin and everybody he holds in fear is covering up
what is and has been going on.

McAvin is duplicating "the ministry" on his "truth on
the net" site.

Why McAvin?

Who is J. Carnes really? Explain

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Subject: (REBUTTLE) PART 3 A MOMENT OF TRUTH? REALLY?


Author:
T CARDENAS
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Date Posted: 20:56:07 03/04/11 Fri
I must admit that as a young boy I thought GARY was a respectable man. I had been in the AOY since 1979 when I was 5, so I got to see my fair share of GARY in junior congregation. In 1998 GARYS daughter DENIEL and I began to show intrest in each other and she came down to visit me in TEXAS on several occasions in 98. In march of 1999 DENIEL called me and told me she wanted to move to TEXAS and live with me. I told her that was NOT A GOOD IDEA, since she was going to college in harrisburgh and she was in mid term. However DENIEL began telling me she could not handle her dads VERBAL AND PHYSICAL ABUSE! And then began to tell me that her DAD had done some very bad things to her. When I began to ask her what he did she began to cry and said it was difficult to talk about, and she was afraid to say more. So I felt I had to do something to help her, and I told her I would try to help her to move to TEXAS. During our relationship I began to realize there was something wrong with DENIEL. She would cry alot in her sleep, and as we grew closer she told me something that was very difficult for me to believe. She told me she was molested sexually br her father GARY. She told me there were four times when gary had "FINGERED HER" and told her NOT TO TELL ANYONE. She told me that it happened twice at home once at the transmitter, and once in the family van. Over the course of our relationship, I Have to admit that I had my doubts on whether this was true. But many time as one councler said, many pedifiles are usually people that you least expect! Finally in 2003 our relationship began to have problems from what DENIEL said were because of"deep emotional issues from her fathers sexual abuse". At that point DENIEL felt she needed help or counseling. At that point DENIEL was looking for closure, and we had made the decision to seek a psychatrist and have GARY pay for her counseling. At that point when DENIEL decided to call social services in PENNSYLVANIA, did an investigation begin on GARY MCAVIN.

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Subject: AOY did not follow Statement of Doctrine in Ordaining Deacons


Author:
Yisroel
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Date Posted: 12:35:01 12/04/12 Tue
JOM did not follow the Statement of Doctrine in ordaining deacons . Here is a direct quote from the government section
"The suggestions of the members of the local congregations will be considered before ordination of deacons (Acts 6). The activities of each individual assembly (including overseeing the elders), will be scrutinized by the bishop and the ministerial advisory body as the need arises. The decision of the ordained ministers shall be final when they arbitrate matters of dispute between members."
This was not done when the last ordination occurred !

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Subject: AOY Hypocrisy


Author:
Yisroel
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Date Posted: 11:20:29 12/04/12 Tue
According to the AOY statement of doctrine they are not supposed to be involved in voting and military service. They do not live what they profess . Gary McAvin praises his sons military service and he even wears military clothing himself . This is what happens in personality cults such as AOY the rules don't apply to the leadership.The best thing they could do is kick Gary out ASAP.

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Subject: Doesn't make sense...


Author:
No name
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Date Posted: 11:56:55 02/27/09 Fri
So this forum is dedicated to tormenting parents of grown children who have committed trespasses after leaving the Assemblies of Yahweh.
This guy ends up on a sex offender registry so apparently there was some kind of conviction and some kind of sanction imposed, maybe a fine, jail, probation, has to undergo counseling, and of course registering for life.
But all that doesn't satisfy you, so you create this forum because making others suffer is empowering to our egos, especially when we can do it in secret and no one will ever know who we are and what our real intentions are.
What's next, taking the law into your own hands?
You all sicken me.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: NO NAME


Author:
SJ
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Date Posted: 22:55:22 03/01/09 Sun
IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE CONTENT OF THIS FORUM DO NOT VISIT.

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Subject: Gary McGavin


Author:
Yisrael
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Date Posted: 09:29:46 05/22/09 Fri
Gary always seemed forceful and mean to the young people.How did he ever get ordained as a deacon since he was remarried?Also I heard JOM was elected constable, is that not against the AOY Statement of Doctrine.

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Subject: hawk


Author:
30
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Date Posted: 22:12:02 10/27/10 Wed
LOL!! ACTS OF DESPERATION? LOL!! LET ME MAKE THIS SHORT AND SIMPLE! ILL TELL YOU WHAT AN ACT OF DESPERATION IS! HAWK OR I SHOULD SAY GARY, YOU SAY YOUR DAUGHTER WROTE A LETTER STATETING THAT YOU WERE COMPLETELY INNOCENT OF MOLESTING HER? THAT LETTER THAT SHE SUPPOSEDLY WROTE WAS ACTUALLY WRITTEN BY YOU! HOW DO I KNOW? BECAUSE SHE TOLD ME LAST WEEK THAT THERE IS NO LETTER! JUST ANOTHER DESPERATE ATTEMPT TO MAKE YOUR SELF LOOK GOOD!! SECONDLY IF YOU WERE SO INNOCENT OF THE CHARGES WHY DID THE COURT IN STRAUSTOWN PA. FIND ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO MOVE THE CASE TO FULL TRIAL STATUS? THE ONLY THING THAT SAVED YOU WAS THE SIMPLE FACT THAT THE DA LATER FOUND OUT THAT THE STATUTES OF LIMITATIONS HAD RUN OUT! IE. YOUR DAUGHTER WAITED TO LONG TO PRESS CHARGES! AND FINALLY IN A DESPERATE ATTEMPT YOU AGREED WITH THE D.A. IN COURT TO PLEADE GUILTY TO THE CHARGE OF CORRUPTION OF A MINOR IN THE HOPES FOR A LESSER SENTENCE!!! I CHALLENGE YOU HAWK! GET THE COURT RECORDS OF THAT CASE AND PUT THEM ON YOUR SITE!! ALL THE RECORDS! AND LET SEE THE FACTS!! THEN WILL SEE WHAT REALLY IS AN ACT OF DESPERATION! YOU SAY YOUR FILES ARE FILLED WITH VIABLE INFORMATION? BRING ALL THE RECORDS OF WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY IN STAUSTOWN PA. I CAN GUARANTY YOU WONT! WHY BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID "ITS AN ACT OF DESPERATION"

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[> Subject: Re: hawk


Author:
Hawke (IALMAO)
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Date Posted: 13:08:36 01/28/11 Fri
Gotcha!You can't stand the truth! Are you mad enough yet? You will be!

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[> Subject: Re: hawk


Author:
wondering
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Date Posted: 14:40:01 02/07/11 Mon
You know that Gary was required to register with the Pennsylvania sex registry and also the national sex offenders registry....but it seems that he just forgot. Perhaps someone should contact them about Gary's failure to register!

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[> [> Subject: Re: hawk


Author:
was wondering also
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Date Posted: 22:44:26 02/23/12 Thu
Was going through some of these post as I was more than suspecting that things at the AOY are not going "according to as planned". There seems to be nothing left but the "bullies" and things are not at all as it was years ago. (Not that it was all that good either)

Keep hearing a lot of defensive talk such as "the AOY is not falling apart", "the AOY is not imploding" etc... There is a saying - "you protest too much". Everyone can see that it is dead here and it is only a matter of time (a short time) before the corpse is not even warm any more.

There was always hypocrisy but it completely rampant now.

Well, decided to check into this Gary McAvin story. It turns out that after taking the time to pursue the Berks County DA, the charges, including case numbers that where
presented are all true. Talk about protesting too much McAvin!! Wow!

This certainly brings into question MUCH (for me at least).

Will be watching closely as there seems to be much to watch at this time. I know that many are worried and scared but we all need to check ourselves and see who or what we truly
rely on.

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[> Subject: Re: hawk


Author:
MEYER FAMILY RESPONSE
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Date Posted: 14:21:30 02/21/11 Mon
Gary has been around claiming that he is a "law enforcement" official and a private detective etc. The fact is he is nothing more than a convicted criminal from New Mexico and Nebraska. Since he continues of rant against the Meyer family, the Meyer family will soon be putting up a whole website showing his criminal past including his arrests for drunkenness etc. He rants about my father being obese and therefore in his book a glutton...but he fails to mention his criminal past...so here it comes Gary a whole site just about you!

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[> Subject: Re: hawk


Author:
McAvin is Hawke
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Date Posted: 18:50:04 08/22/11 Mon
McAvin is Hawke in case any one hasn’t figured this out yet. It is easy to note that the so called Hawke writings on McAvin’s “Truth” (Sure!) on the net site uses material
from McAvin’s other blog sites. McAvin also speaks the stuff from the pulpit and to whoever is left that will stay around him and listen to him pontificate.

He used to be “Aiden” Hawke until he had made some mistakes forcing him to change it to “Eiden”. Hey McAvin/Hawke didn’t you remember about web archives. Didn’t you know that anyone can check past archives and see that this so called Hawke after years of signing “Aiden” had to go and change everything on the site to “Eiden”? Which one is it? You might have to get your “Hawke” persona to explain his. (Just how bizarre is it that you do interviews with yourself on this site with alter ego’s?)

And if one thinks that this is just too weird…
Does anyone remember “J. Carnes” (that McAvin has now deleted, again forgetting about web archives) that supposedly would write in to say how great and awesome
McAvin was? (And just happened to be a great “law man” like McAvin) Well check this out:

http://genforum.genealogy.com/carnes/messages/977.html

Hey McAvin, that “J” Carnes, was that John or Jesse?

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Subject: Re: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?


Author:
Yisrayl
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Date Posted: 09:35:18 11/17/08 Mon
The Prophet Isaiah warned of Jacob Meyer and his Behel, Pa. group saying,

"Their hypocrisy witnesses against them; and they declare their sins like Sodom, they do not hide them. Woe to their soul! for they have wrought evil to themselves." Isaiah 3:9


BEWARE lest you fellowship with them and become like them! Remember "the righteous do not walk in the counsel of the wicked no stand in the way of sinners." Psalms 1

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[> Subject: Re: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?


Author:
Hypocrisy is their witness (Hypocrisy is their witness)
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Date Posted: 20:31:17 01/08/12 Sun
Yes, "Their hypocrisy witnesses against them". How long do
we all have to sit here and watch this? It has been going on for decades! Nothing changes. It is all about keeping up the family business. The first so called "prophet" let
things go to a complete mess. Now his supposed prophetic insight has put into place this sham of a "3 fold cord"
(with their own continued mess of perversion in their households)and the continuation of his (JOM's) black mailer (because of what he has on JOM's kids who are now supposed to be running things!) who is a complete and utter mess and absolute lier! (Oh yes, and now he claims to be a prophet! What a mess.)
As we see the number of bodies getting less and less, the rest of us can only hope that those no longer here can find some sort of peace. As for the rest of us who remain... We know (at least deep down, whether we can admit it to one another or not)that there will be no peace here. Death is not peace. It is the absence of life.
What a mess. May there be mercy upon us all.

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Subject: WISHFUL THINKING??


Author:
T CARDENAS
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Date Posted: 19:24:08 10/10/11 Mon
ONCE AGAIN THE VOICE OF DENIAL AND JEALOUSY HAS SPOKEN! GARY YOU WOULD MAKE A GREAT POLITICIAN!! YOU ARE EXCELLENT AT AVOIDING THE OBVIOUS AND ALWAYS ATTACK, ATTACK, AND ATTACK!! YOU AND I BOTH KNOW THE FACTS BUT YOU CONTINUE TO BE THE GREAT LIER THAT YOU ARE AND HIDE BEHIND THE FACT THAT OTHERS WERENT THERE TO WITNESS THESE EVENTS! THATS WHY WHEN YOU CALL FOR YOUR LYNCH MOBS YOU MAKE SURE ITS A GROUP THAT IS "PRO" MCAVIN AND YOU MAKE SURE TO DO IT BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. MUCH THE SAME WAY YOU DID YOUR DAUGHTER DENIEL. SO IN ORDER TO SEPERATE TRUTH FROM FICTION LETS TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THE FACTS. #1 YOUR DAUGHTER DENIEL MCAVIN TOOK YOU TO COURT IN STRAUSSTOWN, PA IN MARCH 2004 ON THE CHARGE OF **CHILD MOLESTATION**, WE BOTH AGREE ON THAT AND YOU ALREADY ADMIT ON YOUR REBUTTAL THAT THIS DID TAKE PLACE. YOU AND I WERE BOTH IN ATTENDANCE SO WE BOTH KNOW MAN TO MAN THAT THIS IS A FACT. NOW LETS BE **RATIONAL** PEOPLE HERE, TO BE CONVICTED OF THE CRIME OF CHILD MOLESTATION IS A SERIOUS ISSUE! NOT ONLY DOES IT RUIN THE REPUTATION OF AN INDIVIDUAL BUT WORSE CARRIES LENGTHY JAIL TIME TO GO WITH IT TOO. YOUR DAUGHTER, DENIEL, NEW THIS. SO WHAT KIND OF PERSON OR WHAT KIND OF DAUGHTER, WOULD GO TO THE AGONIZING MENTAL TORTURE OF TAKING HER OWN FATHER TO COURT AND THEN STAND IN FRONT OF A JUDGE, AND FINGER POINT HER FATHER AS THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR SEXUALLY MOLESTING HER IF IT WASNT TRUE!?? NOW YOU AND "ALL MIGHTY" CARROL CLAIM THAT I "FORCED" HER TO DO THIS OR I WOULD TAKE HER CHILDREN AWAY FROM HER! NOW DONT YOU THINK IF THAT WAS THE CASE THAT DENIEL WOULD BE SO ANGRY WITH ME THAT SHE WOULD AT SOME POINT INFORM THE POLICE AND TELL THEM THAT HER "MEAN AND ANGRY" HUSBAND WAS TRYING TO BLACKMAIL HER FATHER BY FORCING HER TO ACCUSE HER DAD OF CHILD MOLESTATION? YOU DO REALIZE, "ALL MIGHTY MCAVIN", THAT THERE WAS A JUDGE AND STATE TROOPERS ALONG WITH LOCAL POLICE ALL INSIDE THE COURTROOM THAT DAY? IN FACT I WAS IN THE LOBBY OF THE COURTROOM WITH TWO OF OUR CHILDREN. DENIEL COULD HAVE EASILY CRIED OUT FOR HELP AND "TURNED THE TABLES" ON ME AND SHE WOULD HAVE HAD YOU AND CAROL THERE TO SUPPORT HER!! THIS IS SIMPLE LOGIC!! YOU DONT HAVE TO BE SHERLOCK HOMES TO SEE THAT! IN FACT TODAY, ME AND DENIEL DO NOT GET ALONG, DONT YOU THINK SHE WOULD FILE A CRIMINAL SUITE AGAINST ME IF I "FORCED" HER TO LIE ABOUT HER DAD IN COURT?? IF YOU KNEW YOUR DAUGHTER WAS "FORCED" TO LIE ABOUT YOU AGAINST HER WILL WOULDNT YOU TODAY HAVE COMPASSION FOR HER? OR EVEN HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH HER BECAUSE SHE WAS "FORCED" TO LIE ABOUT YOU? OR DONT YOU THINK YOU AND HER WOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF RELATIONSHIP DUE TO THE FACT THAT YOU DONT LIKE ME AND NEITHER DOES SHE? BUT THATS NOT THE CASE IS IT GARY, IN FACT YOU EVEN BLOT OUT DENIELS PICTURES FROM YOUR OWN FAMILY WEBSITE! YOU MAKE NO MENTION OF HER AS YOUR DAUGHTER ON YOUR OWN FAMILY WEBSITE! WOW! SO IF SHE WAS "FORCED" TO LIE ABOUT YOU IN COURT BECAUSE I "FORCED" HER TO, THEN WHY ARE YOU SO ANGRY WITH HER? WHY HASENT SHE REACHED OUT TO YOU AND POPE CARROL MCAVIN IN ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS? BETTER YET IF YAHSHUA OUR SAVIOUR WAS IN THE SAME SITUATION AS YOU, WOULDNT HE "FORGIVE" DENIEL SINCE SHE WAS "FORCED" AGAINST HER WILL? WOULDNT YOU AND CARROL BE UNDERSTANDING THAT YOUR DAUGHTER WAS "FORCED" TO LIE OR HER CHILDREN WOULD BE TAKEN FROM HER? INSTEAD POPE CARROL WROTE HER DAUGHTER ON FEB 20 2011 AND TOLD HER THAT **"YOU HAVE A NEW "WONDERFUL FAMILY" SO IVE HEARD, SO THERE IS NO REASON FOR CONTACT WITH THIS SIDE OF YOUR BLOOD LINE FOREVERMORE!" "ESTAS MUERTA PARA MI!"** YOU REMEMBER THAT POPE CARROL? IT CAME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH! SO IF DENIEL WAS A VICTIM OF BLACKMAIL, AND WAS FORCED TO DO SOMETHING AGAINST HER WILL WOULDNT YOU BE UNDERSTANDING TO HER? THE FACT IS THAT SHE WASNT FORCED. IN FACT I TOLD HER IT WAS IN THE PAST! I TOLD HER TO LET IT GO! BUT YOUR DAUGHTER MADE THE COMMENT THAT "I HAVE TO DO THIS FOR CLOSURE BECAUSE MY DAD WILL NOT ADMIT TO IT" WELL CONGRESSMEN WEINER, I MEAN GARY YOUR CONSPIRACY THEORY IS A JOKE!! THESE ARE THE REAL FACTS! YOU SAY THAT ME AND MY MOTHER GOT THIS INFO, AND LET ME QUOTE YOU WHAT YOU SAID ON YOUR REBUTTAL FROM 10/5/11 " THE INFORMATION OBTAINED WAS SECOND HAND, THIRD HAND, AND FOURTH HAND FIGMENTS OF THE IMAGINATION STORIES." OH SO NOW YOUR SAYING THAT WE GOT OUR INFORMATION WRONG? NOW YOUR SAYING THAT THE MOLESTATION WAS ME GETTING MY FACTS WRONG BECAUSE I GOT IT FROM SECOND HAND INFO!! BUT EARLIER YOU SAID IT WAS A PLOT THAT ME AND MY MOM MADE JUST TO GET YOU! THAT WE JUST MADE THIS MOLESTATION THING UP AND "FORCED" DENIEL TO DO IT! WHICH ONE IS IT GARY? ALREADY YOU HAVE CONTRADICTED YOUR PREVIOUS STORY THAT THIS WAS A PLOT, TO NOW SAYING THAT WE GOT OUR FACTS WRONG!! REP WEINER, I MEAN GARY YOU JUST CANT MAKE UP YOUR MIND WHICH ONE IT WAS CAN YOU? ALREADY YOU HAVE PROVEN WITH YOUR OWN WORDS THAT EVEN YOU DONT KNOW THE TRUTH!MY GRANDFATHER USE TO TELL ME "GIVE A LIER A LITTLE ROPE AND HE WILL HANG HIMSELF WITH IT" I SEE WHAT HE MEANS NOW. OH AND I LOVE THE PART WHERE YOU SAY "YOU WERE HOPING TO GENERATE SOMETHING TO DISLODGE CAROL AND ME SO YOU COULD TAKE OVER THE ASSEMBLIES OF YAHWEH"...LOL!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!?? ME AND MY MOTHER TAKING OVER THE AOY? LOL!!! YEAH YOUR RIGHT GARY, I COULD SEE NOW! ME AND MY MOM BECOMING BISHOPS OF THE AOY?? LOL!!! IT WAS ALWAYS OUR GOAL IN LIFE DO DO THIS!!LOL!! GARY YOU ARE EITHER REALLY STUPID OR JUST A GOOD PROPOGANDIST! OH AND YOU REALLY HAVE THE GAUL TO COMPARE FORNICATION TO CHILD MOLESTATION? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? LET ME EDUCATE YOU FOR A MINUTE, BESIDE THE FACT THAT THEY ARE BOTH SINS IN THE BIBLE, THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE!!! FORNICATION IS THE ***NATURAL*** ACT OF SEX BETWEEN AN UNMARRIED MALE AND FEMALE. CHILD MOLESTATION IS A **DISGUSTING** ACT WHERE AN ADULT GETS SEXUAL SATISFACTION BY TOUCHING OR EVEN PENETRATING A CHILD!! ITS MADE EVEN MORE SICK WHEN THE MOLESTATION IS DONE FROM A FATHER TO HIS DAUGHTER!! SO DID THAT HELP YOU "ALL KNOWING" MCAVIN TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE?? OH AND FOR THE RECORD IT WAS YOU WHO ATTACKED ME WITH THE ALLOGATIONS OF FORNICATION AT THE 98 FEAST, EVEN THOUGH I ALREADY KNEW OF DENIELS CLAIM THAT YOU HAD MOLESTED HER I DID NOT GO RUNNING REQUESTING A "LYNCH MOB" THE WAY YOU DID! YOU SEE GARY THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND I! I LET YAHWEH DEAL WITH PROBLEMS LIKE THIS! HOWEVER I SURE AM NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY SELF RIGHTEOUS HYPOCRITE ACCUSE ME OF SOMETHING FAR LESS THEN THE MUD ON HIS OWN FACE!! OH AND FOR THE RECORD PLEASE SPARE ME WITH TEXAS LAW ON INTERNET ISSUES!! TALK IS CHEAP GARY! AND DONT FORGET COPYS HAVE BEEN MADE OF ***ALL*** OF YOUR MENTIONING OF ME FROM YOUR REBUTTAL, TO YOUR INITIAL WRITINGS WHICH **STARTED** THIS ON TRUTH ON THE NET! OH AND JUST IN CASE YOU DIDNT KNOW, IN ORDER TO PURSUE LITIGATION FROM STATE TO STATE IT COST A PRETTY PENNY TO DO SO I KNOW I ALREADY CHECKED FOR YOU....OH AND DONT FORGET THERE IS A THING CALLED "WRONGFUL PROSECUTION" AND "COUNTER SUITE" SO THINK BEFORE YOU ACT GARY! JAIL IS A DIFFICULT PLACE FOR A MAN YOUR AGE!

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Subject: SOME PEOPLE JUST WONT SHUT UP!


Author:
T CARDENAS
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Date Posted: 14:44:52 06/17/11 Fri
I DECIDED IN APRIL THAT I HAD PRESENTED ALL THE FACTS CLEARLY CONCERNING GARY MCAVIN AND HIS SEXUAL VIOLATIONS OF HIS DAUGHTER DENIEL MCAVIN THAT THERE WOULD BE NO FURTHER NEED TO COMMENT ON ANY OTHER THING. HOWEVER SOME PEOPLE JUST WONT STOP WILL THEY GARY? ONCE AGAIN YOU MANAGED TO BRING MY NAME UP IN YOUR SO CALL "REBUTTAL" AND DECIDED TO PULL AN ANTHONY WEINER ON EVERYONE!! DENY DENY AND DENY SOMEMORE!!!WHAT ELSE CAN YOU DO? LIKE MOST PEOPLE IN POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY WHO ARE CAUGHT WITH SEXUAL DEMONS IN THEIR CLOSET, YOU DECIDED TO DO WHAT THEY DO!! DENY, DENY AND THEN DENY SOME MORE!! WHAT WAS IT THAT PRESIDENT CLINTON SAID? "I DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THAT WOMAN" AND NOW THE FAMOUS QUOTE FROM G MCAVIN "THE WRITTINGS OF T CARDENAS ARE SO CONVOLUTED AND REMOVED FROM REALITY ONE WOULD HAVE TO BE BRAIN DEAD OR DAMAGED TO BELIEVE THEM."....WELL SPOKEN REP. WEINER!!LOL!! IVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT YOU ARE AND WILL ALWAYS BE A CLASSIC POLITICIAN WHO IS CAUGHT IN ANOTHER SEX SCANDAL!! DENY DENY AND DENY SOMEMORE!! SAY ANYTHING TO SAVE YOUR REPUTATION THAT YOU ALONE TARNISHED BY YOUR SICK FETISHES!! WHO CARES ABOUT FACTS RIGHT GARY? WHO CARES IF THE TRUTH IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE RIGHT PRES CLINTON? WHO CARES JUST SO LONG AS YOUR REPUTATION IS SAVED RIGHT ALMIGHTY MCAVIN? SO ONCE MORE I WILL CLARIFY TO ALL THOSE YOU ARE TRYING TO MISLEAD THAT THE FACTS ARE VERY CLEAR!!
FACT #1 DENIEL MCAVIN, GARY MC AVINS YOUNGEST DAUGHTER, TOOK HER FATHER TO COURT ON THE CHARGES OF MOLESTING HER AS A 17 YEAR OLD GIRL. THIS TOOK PLACE IN STRAUSSTOWN PA IN MARCH 2004. DURING THE PRECEDING GARY AND HIS ATTORNEY REQUESTED A PLEA DEAL IN WHICH GARY WOULD PLEA GUILTY TO A LESSER CHARGE (CORRUPTION OF A MINOR) INSTEAD OF THE FELONY CHARGE (CHILD MOLESTATION). THE DA DENIED THE PLEA DEAL BECAUSE THE PROSECUTION FELT THERE WAS ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO MOVE FOR A CONVICTION ON THE CHARGE OF (CHILD MOLESTATION). HOWEVER IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT THE STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA HAS A STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS LAW THAT REQUIRES THE VICTIM TO REORT THE MOLESTATION WITHIN SEVEN YEARS. THEREFORE THE CHARGES HAD TO BE DISMISSED BECAUSE DENIEL WAITED TO LONG TO BRING THEM FORWARD. HOW DO I KNOW THIS? I WAS THERE IN THE COURTROOM WITH DENIEL WHEN THE PRECEDINGS TOOK PLACE.
FACT #2 ***"THE CORRELATION OF THESE EVENTS COINCIDES WITH THE ASSEMBLIES OF YAHWEH DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS AGAINST THEM"*** THIS IS A QUOTE FROM GARYS SO CALLED "REBUTTAL" LIKE REP WEINER, GARY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE EVERYONE THINK THAT THIS WAS AN ATTEMPT TO "GET HIM" BECAUSE MY MOTHER CARMEN OROSCO WAS TOLD THAT SHE COULD NO LONGER ATTEND THE FOT. DENIEL MCAVIN FIRST INFORMED ME OF HER FATHER MOLESTING HER IN 1998. THIS IS WHEN WE BOTH WERE INVOLVED IN A RELATIONSHIP. IN 1998 MY FAMILY AND I WERE ACTIVELY ATTENDING AOY FUNCTIONS SINCE 1979. ALSO IN 1998 THERE WERE NO, I REPEAT NO ILL FEELINGS TOWARD GARY OR HIS FAMILY!! IN FACT GARY HAD OPENELY ADMITTED THAT HE APPROVED OF THE FACT THAT HIS DAUGHTER WAS TAKING INTREST IN ME AND I IN HER!! IF DENIEL WAS IN THE AOY ALONG WITH HER FAMILY THE (MCAVINS), AND HER NEW BOYFREIND (MYSELF) WAS ALSO IN THE AOY ALONG WITH MY FAMILY (OROSCOS)..WHY WOULD SHE BRING UP SUCH A DISCUSTING ALOGATION ABOUT HER FATHER MOLESTING HER AT THE AGE OF 17?? THUS THE OLD SAYING "IF SOMETHING ISNT BROKEN WHY FIX IT"? DENIEL HAD NO CLEAR REASON TO LIE ABOUT HER FATHER BECAUSE SHE HAD NOTHING TO GAIN OUT OF IT!!!! MY MOTHER LEFT THE AOY IN 2001 AND JOINED OTHERS WHO HAD BEEN WRONGED BY THE AOY AND HAS NEVER LOOKED BACK!! GARY, LIKE ALL OTHER LIEING POLITICIANS CAUGHT WITH THEIR PANTS DOWN, HAS TRIED TO MAKE EVERYONE BELIEVE THE CLASSIC "ITS A SET UP" THEORY. SORRY GARY, BUT THE FACT IS DENIEL BROUGHT THESE ALOGATIONS FORWARD IN 1998!!! IN FACT I CONFRONTED YOU IN THE GOLD BUILDING OF THE AOY AT THE 1998 FOT ABOUT THE ALOGATIONS AND THATS WHEN YOU (GARY) WENT CRAZY BECAUSE YOUR SECRET WAS OUT!! SO LETS BREAK THIS DOWN NICE AND SLOWLY!! MY MOTHERS DICIPLINARY ACTIONS TOOK PLACE IN 2001!!! YOUR DAUGHTERS ALOGATIONS CAME FORWARD IN 1998!! ONE MORE TIME GARY!! MY MOTHERS DICIPLINARY ACTIONS IN 2001, YOUR DAUGHTERS ALOGATIONS IN 1998!! REP WEINER DID YOU HERE THAT!!! ENOUGH SAID!!!!
FACT#3 ***"AND FOR THE RECORD ELDER MEYER DID NOT LIKE YOU OR FRED"*** THIS IS ANOTHER QUOTE FROM GARYS SO CALLED "REBUTTAL" IN WHICH HE AND HIS WIFE ARE IN COMPLETE DENIAL THAT JOM WOULD SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT THE GREAT DEACONESS HERSELF CAROL MCAVIN! WELL LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE INSIGHT CAROL!! YOU HAD TOLD MY MOTHER THAT PEPSODENT TOOTHPASTE WAS A KOSHER PRODUCT SO MY FAMILY HAD BEEN ACTIVELY USING THE PRODUCT. IN 1991 WHEN I LEFT TO PENNSYLVANIA TO LIVE WITH MARY AND FRED, I HAD BOUGHT SOME PEPSODENT WITH ME. WHEN MARY DISCOVERED MY TOOTHPASTE IN THE BATHROOM SHE INQUIRED WITH FRED WHY I HAD PEPSODENT TOOTHPASTE AND TOLD FRED SHE DID NOT THINK IT WAS ACCEPTABLE. FRED THEN INQUIRED FROM MY MOM WHY SHE WAS USING PEPSODENT AND SHE TOLD FRED THAT YOU (CAROL) HAD SAID IT WAS KOSHER. AT THAT POINT MARY TOLD FRED THAT YOU (CAROL) HAD NO BUISNESS MAKING DECISIONS WITHOUT HER FATHERS CONSENT FIRST! AT THAT POINT MARY ADVISED FRED TO INQUIRE ON THE MATTER WITH JOM, AND FRED TOOK ME ALONG WITH HIM SINCE I WAS THE ONE WHO BOUGHT THE TOOTHPASTE INTO THE HOUSE! AFTER TELLING JOM THE SITUATION IT WAS THEN HE REPLIED AND I QUOTE "SHE NEEDS TO GET OFF HER POWER TRIP AND CONSULT THINGS THRU ME FIRST!" AS FAR AS YOUR COMMENT THAT JOM DID NOT LIKE ME AND FRED, WELL YOU REALLY SHOW YOUR STUPIDITY AND LACK OF SENSE!! IT WAS JOM WHO GAVE FRED THE THUMBS UP TO MARRY HIS OLDEST DAUGHTER IN DECEMBER OF 1986!! IN FACT HE EVEN PERFORMED THE MARRIAGE!!AND IN FACT HE EVEN WENT INTO PARTNERSHIP WITH FRED AS PART OWNER OF SHALOM FARM!! NOW YOUR PEA BRAIN IS TELLING EVERYONE HE DIDNT LIKE FRED!!WOW SOUNDS LIKE HE REALLY DIDNT LIKE FRED!! LMAO!!!HELLO REP WEINER?? LOOKS LIKE YOUVE BEEN CAUGHT IN ANOTHER LIE!!LOL!!
FACT#4CP-06-CR-0001377-200, LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE HAS DONE A LITTLE HOMEWORK ON YOU GARY? LET ME SEE IF I HAVE THIS RIGHT. DWIs, MOLESTING YOUR DAUGHTER, ASSAULT,RACISM (MEXICAN INQUISITION), AND WRONGFULLY ACUSSING PEOPLE FOR YOUR OWN REVENGE PURPOSES, AND DRUNKENESS!! DOESNT THE SCRIPTURES SAY AT THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE SHALL EVERY WORD BE ESTABLISHED? WELL THERE ARE ENTIRE FORUMS WITH WITNESS AFTER WITNESS, CASE NUMBERS, AND EVEN YOUR OWN DAUGHTER HAS WITNESSED AND YET THIS BRINGS ME TO MY POINT REP WEINER....I MEAN GARY MCAVIN....DENY, DENY AND DENY SOMEMORE!!LOL!!

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[> Subject: Re: SOME PEOPLE JUST WONT SHUT UP!


Author:
Why will you not shut up?
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Date Posted: 12:00:01 09/28/11 Wed
Used this subject heading because this sure describes
you "Deacon" (what a shame upon all) McAvin.
Just when one would think you couldn't shoot your
mouth off any more... Well you have been really out
doing yourself recently, haven't you?
What is up with your violent tendicies? A quick look at
all your postings all over the internet (where do you
find the time for all of this?)one finds an abundance
of violent talk and imagery. You yourself have boasted
from the pulpit that you are a "pugilist". Do you even
care what the Bible says about the qualifications of
a "Deacon". (Particularly what one SHOULD NOT be)
Why did you recently get up in the pulpit and brag about
how you had an "Italian moment", threatening to hurt
someone? What are you trying to prove?

Do you know what else? Not a few are seriously wondering
what is going on with you (brought on by your constant
swelling, arrogant, violent words. It is true, some people
just wont shut up) Looking through this forum many questions come up. Some very serious things are brought up. In looking through all this it seems that you where
actually right about one thing. No CLERK would provide
the information that has been posted. Problem is, whoever
posted this information did not say anything about a CLERK.

Finding out what has now been found out (by not going through a CLERK)and looking at all your stories and denials, it is astounding how much of a big and dangerous liar you are. This is all a major shame. The implications of all this is troubling. It may focus on you but it goes
beyond you also. What a very sad day for all those of us that this has been kept from for so long.

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Subject: WORRIED


Author:
WORRIEDSIS
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Date Posted: 06:10:54 07/29/11 Fri
I HAVE A SISTER THAT IS IN THE AOY. I LOVE HER VERY MUCH BUT IT SEEMS THAT THE AOY HAS TAKEN OVER HER LIFE. SHE IS NO LONGER THE WARM LOVING SISTER SHE USED TO BE BUT RATHER KINDA COLD, JUDGEMENTAL AND DISTANT. WE USED TO HAVE LOTS OF FUN TOGETHER AND THOSE DAYS ARE GONE SHE HAS BEEN AWAY FROM THE FAMILY FOR A LONG TIME NOW AND I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO. IVE BEEN RESEARCHING THE RELIGION AND I JUST CANT FIND ANYTHING IN THE REAL BIBLE THAT STATES THAT YOU CANT LOVE ONE ANOTHER EVEN IF THEY ARE SINNERS. DIDNT JESUS TRY TO SAVE PEOPLE WHO WERE ON THE WRONG PATH NOT SHUT THEM OUT. ALSO THEY HAVE ALL THESE RULES THEY GO BY FOR THEIR SALVATION BUT DIDNT JESUS DIE ON THE CROSS FOR THAT? WE SHOULD BE LIVING BY THE TEN COMMANDMENTS WHICH THE MEMBERS OF AOY SEEM TO HAVE FORGOTTEN LOVE THY NEIGHBOR, GLUTTONY, HONOR THY FATHER AND MOTHER. I MEAN IM NO RELIGOUS EXPERT BUT IM WORRIED FOR MY SISTER AND COULD USE SOME ADVICE

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[> Subject: Re: WORRIED


Author:
Martin
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Date Posted: 00:58:36 08/20/11 Sat
I know your pain as I also have a sister that isnt the sibling i used to know..shes been in the AOY for over 30 years now and to her since i am not in her religion i am not worthy to associate with.

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Subject: LOOSING YOUR COMPOSURE?


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T CARDENEAS
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Date Posted: 14:07:53 04/02/11 Sat
GARY,GARY,GARY....Its so sad to see that you lost your composure in your last comments! Now your new EXCUSE for molesting your daughter is that I never had my biological father in my youth..so I must be crazy!! LOL!!! GARY YOU ARE SO HILARIOUS!! If you are trying to say that im emotionally damaged because of this, GUESS WHAT? YOU ALSO NEVER HAD YOUR BIOLOGICAL FATHER IN YOUR LIFE EITHER!!..SO WHATS YOUR POINT!!Did DADDY MAC ABANDON YOU TOO?? Is the fact your DADDY didnt want you the reason why you became an ALCOHOLIC? Is it also the reason why you showed NO CONCERN WHEN YOU GOT DRUNK AND WOULD DRIVE YOUR VEHICLE AND PUT MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE AT RISK? Is it also the reason you would PROBE your daughters for cheap thrills because DADDY didnt want you, YOU WANTED TO SHOW DENIEL AND DENYA HOW MUCH YOU WANTED THEM? I use to ask my uncle "WHY IS GARY THE ONLY PERSON THAT POUNDS ON THE POPET WHEN HE PREACHES? AND WHY IS HE ALWAYS SO LOUD LIKE HES ANGRY WHEN HE PREACHES?" Well i guess i know why now! You like attention!! WHY GARY? DID DADDY MACS ABSENCE HURT YOU SO NOW YOU NEED TO BE LOUD SO EVERYONE KNOWS YOUR HERE! Gary between me and you...its YOU WHO ARE BITTER OVER YOUR DADDYS ABSENCE! What was it that you said GARY =="WHEN SOME ONE IS ABANDONED-REJECTED THEY ARE LEFT WITH MIXED EMOTIONS AND AN UNSTABLE MINDSET"== Good point GARY!! Lets evaluate you and I for a moment since we were BOTH raised without our BIOLOGICAL FATHER! I have NO CRIMINAL HISTORY on my record. And was given a VERY THOROUGH INVESTIGATION BY two district judges, THE honorable JUDGE GLORIA SALDANA, AND JUDGE JIM RAUSCH before they granted me FULL CUSTODY OF MY FOUR CHILDREN! THE STATE OF TEXAS also investigated my history through child protective services to assist the court! I have been employed since 1997 as a BUS OPERATOR for school children and for the city transit of SAN ANTONIO. BOTH JOBS REQUIRE THOUROUGH BACK GROUND CHECKS AND MONTHLY DRUG TESTS ALONG WITH RANDOM DRUG AND ALCOHOL TEST! WOW!! I TRANSPORT 100s OF PEOPLE ON A WEEKLY BASIS AND YET IM A MENTAL CASE?? LOL!!
Now your turn GARY, in your young adult years you had a history of HANGING OUT with the WRONG CROWD..as evident by the SCAR ON YOUR FACE! You became a AVID ALCOHOLIC which is evident on your DRIVING RECORD AND ON YOUR CRIMINAL HISTORY RECORD BECAUSE OF YOUR DWIs! Of ALL MEMBERS OF THE AOY..BOTH FORMER AND CURRENT, NO ONE HOLDS A REPUTATION OF BEING A FINGER POINTER MORE THEN YOU! This is WITNESSED BY 100s! And the WORSE THING ABOUT YOU ON PUBLIC RECORD..IS THAT YOUR OWN DAUGHTER FINGER POINTED YOU OUT IN STRAUSSTOWN PA, TO THE COURT AS THE PERSON WHO SEXUALLY MOLESTED HER! Then you conjur up this story that JOM and you had a SECRET UNDERSTANDING that you would work as his UNDERCOVER AGENT and infiltrate members of the aoy so you can find out secret information!! LOL!! WAY TO GO JAMES BOND!! Its funny how you WAITED FOR AFTER JOM TO DIE TO REVEAL THIS!!LOL!! If it was true why would you now BLOW YOUR COVER WHEN NOW WOULD BE THE TIME PEOPLE WOULD TRY TO TAKE OVER THE MINISTRY SINCE JOM IS DEAD? LOL!!GARY IT IS WHO ARE LOOSING YOUR MIND! You say you noticed from the start that i had a HOLIER THEN THOU AND CONDESCENDING ATTITUDE? WRONG AGAIN GARY!! IN 1998 DENIEL ASKED YOU IF IT WAS OK TO LIKE ME AS A BOYFREIND BECAUSE I WAS HISPANIC! DENIEL NEW YOU WERE ALSO RASCIST SO SHE NEEDED TO ASK YOU FIRST. Do you remember what your reply to her was GARY? ==OH TONY, IVE KNOWN TONY SINCE HE WAS 6 YEARS OLD, TONY IS A GOOD GUY!!== Now you CLAIM THAT YOUVE ALWAYS KNOWN IVE BEEN MESSED UP? IF THAT WAS THE CASE WHY LET DENIEL TALK TO ME?? GARY YOU REALLY HAVE LOSSED YOUR MIND!! You also have a very SELECTIVE MEMORY! You also continue to think that I am now CATHOLIC? LOL!! WRONG AGAIN GARY!! You see unlike YOUR SONS WHO COMPLETLEY TURNED AWAY FROM TRUTH! I HAVENT, I PROVED AT A VERY YOUNG AGE TO MYSELF THAT CATHOLICISM HAS ITS ROOTS IN PAGAN ORIGINS!!IN FACT ALL OF MY MOTHERS CHILDREN HAVE MAINTAINED TRUTH!! SO ARE YOU A BIT JEALOUS OF CARMEN? YOU LOST HALF YOUR CHILDREN TO PAGANISM, AND ONE OF THEM TOOK YOU TO COURT FOR BEING A PERVERT! YET ALL OF CARMENS CHILDREN HAVE MAINTAINED TRUTH AND HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH HER! WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT YOU AND CAROLS JOB AS PARENTS?? JEALOUSY GETS YOU KNOW WHERE GARY!! ENOUGH SAID! And finally I will close by asking you again (FOR THE NINTH TIME NOW) ***WHY DID YOU WANT A PLEA BARGAIN AND WERE WILLING TO PLEAD GUILTY FOR A LESSER CHARGE IF YOU WERE COMPLETELY INNOCENT*** STILL WAITING FOR A REPLY??

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Subject: McGavin


Author:
Ethan
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Date Posted: 08:15:41 05/07/11 Sat
I was very young when my parents saw the AOY for what it was. But my earliest memory in my entire life was from when I was three or four years old. My brother, Ariel and I were running around a fan (three or four years old), then Gary grabbed us up and yelled "STOP! THAT WILL NOT BE TOLERATED!"

I admittedly don't have as many stories to tell as a lot of you. But from what I've seen and heard of Gary, it's not the first time he's bullied someone less than half his size. In fact, I hear he's made a habit of picking fights with small kids. I also hear he backed down when confronted by some of their their parents. XD He's an asshole.

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Subject: MIGHTY MAUDE


Author:
T CARDENAS
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Date Posted: 23:43:06 03/27/11 Sun
It would seem that by CAROLS response in her REBUTTAL forum that THE TRUTH CAN REALLY CAUSE A PERSON TO LOOSE THEIR COMPOSURE! First of all MIGHTY MAUDE you address me as a BASTARD son? LOL!! For your information my real father ANTONIO CARDENAS and my mother CARMEN OROSCO were legally married in 1974 and i was given my FATHERS name upon my birth therfore making me a LEGITIMATE CHILD!! ONCE AGAIN YOU HAVE MANAGED TO SHOOT YOUR MOUTH OFF WITH OUT ALL THE FACTS!!!STRIKE 1!! As far as you calling us LOW RENT,LOL!! I can assure you that the money ms CARMEN OROSCO MAKES AS OWNER OF HER OWN STORE SINCE 1993 IS MUCH MORE THEN WHAT YOU LEACH OFF YOUR HUSBAND!! So if any one is LOW RENT its YOU!! As far as your CONSITENT ATTACKING AND ADDRESSING of my MOTHER CARMEN OROSCO, It is VERY EVIDENT that you have a problem with WOMEN you are JEALOUS OF! My mother has only made one COMMENT concerning this situation which is in part 8 of my message and has told me she DOES NOT NEED TO COMMENT FURTHER ON ANYTHING ELSE, AND DOES NOT CARE TO SAY ANYTHING TO CHILD MOLESTING PARENTS SUCH AS YOU AND YOUR SIGNIFICANT OTHER! So why do you continue to BRING HER UP CAROL? ARE YOU ANGRY CAUSE NONE OF HER KIDS DRAGGED HER INTO COURT FOR MOLESTATION? ARE YOU ANGRY CAUSE OTHER THEN YOU AND GARY...NO ONE ELSE HAS ANYTHING TO SAY BAD ABOUT HER? YET WHEN IT COMES TO YOU SO MANY TESTIFY TO YOUR FORKED TOUNGUE MOUTH? You say she ABANDONED ME?? LOL!! After my Mother divorced my father in 1975 she moved in with my grandparents and worked FULL TIME at MILLER CURTAIN FACTORY to support me as a baby. It was my grandmother who watched out for me while my mother went out to work! ONCE AGAIN CAROL YOU DONT HAVE YOUR FACTS RIGHT!! THATS STRIKE 2!!! As far as YOUR DUTY, to report clothing of other woman, and weather or not they were styling in a wordly fashioned?....WASNT THAT YOU IN THE COURT ROOM IN STRAUSSTOWN IN 2004 WITH BLEACHED BLONDE HAIR YET BEING A WOMAN IN HER 60s!!!??? LOL!! SOUNDS LIKE ONE BIG BLEACHED BLOND HIPPOCRITE!! I was just a sperm donor? Baby Daddy? I Did not support my kids? LAUGH MY BUTT OFF!!! Let me EDUCATE YOU CAROL! In 2007 I had a decision to make, either let DENIEL run off with our kids and a MARRIED MAN, to a small very low income border town (EAGLE PASS) and then I would be free to PARTY!! AND LIVE IT UP!! AND HAVE FUN CAUSE THE KIDS WERE GONE!!! RIGHT?? Well thats NOT what I did. My attorneys FEES to fight for custody were 8700 dollars!! EVERY PENNY I PAID FOR!! Since the COURTS OF THE STATE OF TEXAS UNDER JUDGE GLORIA SALDANA AND JUDGE JIM RAUSCH, saw the facts AS THEY TRULLY WERE! They granted ME, not CARMEN OROSCO, OR DENIEL MCAVIN, FULL MANAGING CUSTODIALSHIP OF ALL FOUR BOYS!! IF ANY ONE WOULD LIKE TO LOOK THIS MATTER UP PLEASE FEEL FREE TO DO SO!! The legal proceeding took place in the BEXAR COUNTY COURT HOUSE IN SAN ANTONIO TX ON SEPT 27, 2007 IN ROOM 411 UNDER PRECIDING JUDGE THE HONORABLE JIM RAUSCH!!(TONY CARDENAS VS DENIEL MCAVIN) You see CAROL unlike your CHILD MOLESTING HUSBAND, I have NO PROBLEM with inviting anyone to LOOK UP THE COURT RECORDS AND SEE THE FACTS!!! Now since that time I have recieved 6 thats right 6 child support checks totalling 923 dollars and today were in march of 2011!! THATS RIGHT CAROL IN FOUR YEARS YOUR DAUGHTER HAS CONTRIBUTED 923 DOLLARS TO HER FOUR BOYS!! That comes out to 235 dollars a year in child support for four growing boys! Guess who picks up the rest of the tab? ME!!! THATS RIGHT EINSTEIN I SUPPORT ALL FOUR BOYS!! I FEED ALL FOUR BOYS!! I CLOTHED ALL FOUR BOYS!! THREE OF MY BOYS ARE A B HONOR ROLL STUDENTS!! THATS BECAUSE I TAKE THE TIME TO WORK 63 HOURS A WEEK AND COME HOME AND COOK MEALS FOR THEM AND KEEP THEIR HOME WORK UP TO PAR!!! WOW SOUNDS LIKE IM A REAL LOOSER HUH CAROL!??? STRIKE 3 YOUR OUT!!! LOL!!! You seem to have WAX in between your ears CAROL, DENIEL CALLED ME IN APRIL OF 1999 AND WANTED TO MOVE TO TEXAS ASAP, CAUSE THE ABUSE YOU AND GARY WERE INFLICTING WAS TO MUCH!! I TOLD HER NOT TO COME DOWN SO FAST CAUSE SHE WAS ATTENDING COLLEGE BUT SHE DESCRIBED IN DETAIL OF THE ABUSE GOING ON IN YOUR HOUSE!!! WHAT WAS I TO DO TELL HER NO AND STAY THERE AND TAKE IT?? It has also come to light that DENIEL is not THE ONLY DAUGHTER TO HAVE BEEN FINGERED BY GARY!! A one time, close freind of DENYA CAME FORWARD RECENTLY AND TOLD ME THAT DENYA MADE MENTION BACK AT THE FEAST IN 96 THAT GARY HAD ALSO FINGERED HER TO CHECK TO SEE IF THE TOKENS OF VIRGINITY WERE ALSO FOUND IN HER TOO!! SICK!! SO DOCTOR GARY A MCAVIN WAS ALWAYS MAKING SURE THE GIRLS WERE PURE HUH?? YOUR FAMILY IS REALLY SICK!! Today DENYA denies this because she feels her DAD ment well by fingering her and checking for purity! ACCORDING TO THE LAWS OF THE LAND THATS CALLED CHILD MOLESTATION!! GET A LEGAL BOOK IF YOU NEED TO CAROL!! The catholic priest DID THE SAME THING IN CONVINCING KIDS IT WAS OK!!! ITS ALL OUT OF LOVE!!! SICK!!! Why have I continued to BEAT THIS DRUM? Well for one thing ITS TRUE, but secondly you and your husband continue to ARROGANTLY BEAT DOWN OTHERS WHO YOU KNOW WERE VICTIMS OF YOUR HERASY!! If ANYONE NEEDS TO "SHUT UP" and STOP ATTACKING PEOPLE ITS YOU!! Before I had even published any comment on this forum YOUR HUSBAND SPOKE MY NAME ON TRUTH ON THE NET, AND CLAIMED DENIEL WROTE A LETTER ACUSSING ME OF BEING A PIMP! AND STRINGING HER OUT ON DRUGS!! IT WAS THEN THAT I PLACED MY FIRST COMMENTS ON THIS FORUM TO SET THE REAL STORY STRAIGHT!!! YOUR RIGHT CAROL I HAVE NOTHING TO GAIN FROM TELLING THIS TRUTH.. I HAVE A FAMILY OF FOUR BOYS TO DEAL WITH!!! BUT LET ME MAKE MY SELF VERY CLEAR SO LONG AS YOU CONTINUE TO LIE, SO LONG AS YOU CONTINUE TO ATTACK THE INNOCENT, AND SO LONG AS YOU CONTINUE TO PUT FALSE FORUMS AND INFORMATION OUT ON THE INTERNET.....I WILL LET THESE VICTIMS KNOW OF YOUR HUSBANDS SECRET LITTLE FETISHES WITH HIS DAUGHTERS!! DO EVERYONE A FAVOR, JUST SHUT UP,LIVE YOUR LIFE OUT WITH GARY AND BE DONE WITH IT!! OH AND ONE MORE THING I WILL ASK YOU FOR NOW A SIXTH TIME ===WHY DID YOUR HUSBAND WANT A PLEA DEAL FOR A LESSER CHARGE IF THERE WAS NO PROOF AND IF HE WAS INNOCENT?=== ONCE AGAIN YOU HAVE FAILED TO ANSWER THAT!!! LIES LIES AND MORE LIES!!! WHERE IS MY FORGIVENESS?? I AM A VERY FORGIVING PERSON CAROL!! HOWEVER I HAVE YET TO RECIEVE YOUR APOLOGY FOR LIEING ABOUT ME!! SO UNTILL HENCEFORTH HOW CAN YOU BE FORGIVEN? YOU SAY I WONT RUIN YOUR REPUTATION? I dont want to RUIN your REPUTATION! Youve done that on your own!! BECAUSE YOU CANT ANSWER A SIMPLE QUESTION!! SO NOW FOR A SEVENTH TIME!! ++++WHY DID GARY WANT A PLEA DEAL FOR A LESSER CHARGE OF CORRUPTION OF A MINOR....IF HE WAS INNOCENT OF DENIELS ALLOGATIONS??++++ NO ANSWER I SEE?? ENOUGH SAID!!!

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Subject: [REBUTTAL] PART 8 CONCLUSION


Author:
T CARDENAS
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Date Posted: 16:53:15 03/16/11 Wed
You know GARY i have to agree with you on one thing, you say that no matter what you say i will not believe you, and the same holds true with you! NO MATTER WHAT FACTS ARE CLEARLY SHOWN YOU WILL LIE AND LIE SO MORE TO TRY TO KEEP YOUR REPUTATION TOGETHER! **FACT #1**You say that everything is HE SAID SHE SAID? Maybe you may not know this but nearly ALL MOLESTATION CASES are VERY DIFFICULT for the victim to prove!! You know why? In almost ALL cases the MOLESTOR, conducts his DEVIANT ACT to the victim in places where NO ONE CAN SEE WHAT IS GOING ON! You may be a VERY EVIL MAN GARY, but your still smart enough to COVER UP YOUR SECRET FETISHES YOU HAD WITH YOUR DAUGHTER DENIEL! You and your wife rant and rave that THERE IS NO PROOF, THERE IS NO PROOF!! Well OF COURSE THERE IS NO PROOF! THERE VERY RARELY IS IN MOLESTATION CASES!! THATS WHY SO MANY CATHOLIC PRIEST, JUST LIKE YOURSELF , GOT AWAY WITH THERE SEXUAL PERVERSNESS!! And like many catholic priest YOU used your POSITION as a perfect cover up! According to DENIEL you told her that you had a RIGHT to check the TOKENS OF VIRGINTY for yourself, then quoted scriptures to support your reasons why you were about to FINGER YOUR OWN DAUGHTER!!**FACT#2** You know DENIEL later on became a STRIPPER and had a VERY LOW SELF ESTEEM of herself as a woman! After talking to Dr G ELLIS a local counselor, he said that many females who suffer from low self esteem and get into the stripping buisness have suffered some sort of sexual abuse at a younger age!! coincidence?? I THINK NOT!!**FACT#3** But yet you CONTINUE to IGNORE the most POWERFUL EVIDENCE against you! WHY DID YOU WANT A PLEA DEAL FOR A LESSER CHARGE OF CORRUPTION OF A MINOR? YOU, MIGHTY MAUDE, J CARNES, AND E HAWKE HAVE YET TO ANSWER THAT SIMPLE QUESTION! WHY? Well its so obvious!! YOU WERE AFRAID THAT MAYBE THERE WAS EVIDENCE, maybe DENIEL had pictures, or maybe there was an eye witness you didnt know about!!So since you GOT SCARED, and knew THAT YOU DID SEXUALLY MOLEST HER, BUT WERENT SURE IF THERE WAS ANY PICTURES OR WITNESSES, YOU ASKED FOR A PLEA DEAL TO WEASEL YOUR WAY THRU!! You know the CATHOLIC PRIESTS also did THE SAME THING!! My queston to this forum, to E HAWKE, to J CARNES, to CAROL MCAVIN, or to ANYONE WITH ANY KIND OF SENSE IS THIS! ====WHY WOULD YOU PLEAD GUILTY TO SOMETHING YOU KNEW YOU DID NOT DO AND WERE COMPLETELY INNOCENT OF====?????? **FACT#4** Do you remember GARY when we were in the court house in STRAUSSTOWN PA, the asst DA asked your daughter DENIEL "is the person who you say molested you in this court room, and if so will you please point them out?" DENIEL then pointed STRAIGHT AT YOU!! Thats right GARY, Your daughter after she pointed broke down into tears and the asst DA asked for a moment so she could regain her composure. YOUR DAUGHTER POINTED AT YOU IN FRONT OF A DISTRICT JUDGE, KNOWING THE CONSEQUENCES OF THE SITUATION AND YET YOU SAY SHE IS LIEING?? You claim that DENIEL WAS FORCED TO DO THIS OR SHE WOULD LOOSE HER KIDS?? Deniel was safely within the confines of a district court, with you and her mother in the courtroom, if there was ANY EVIL PLOT TO TAKE HER KIDS AND SHE WAS FORCED TO LIE ABOUT YOU, ALL SHE HAD TO DO WAS TELL THE JUDGE AND TELL YOU AND CAROL SHE WAS BEING THREATENED AND THE COURT ASWELL AS YOU WOULD HAVE HELPED HER!!! But thats not what happened is it GARY!!?? **FACT#5** on october 20th 2005 you emailed DENIEL an article written by KATHRINE KOO entitled ==GETTIN HIGH ON SEX==, do you remember that GARY? Was this your way to try to APOLOGIZE to DENIEL, and make her understand you have a SEX ADDICTION AND NEED HELP? At any rate she was turned off by your email and DID NOT RESPOND TO YOU! EVERTHING LET ME REPEAT MY SELF....EVERYTHING I HAVE STATED IS THE TRUTH!! As far as you CAROL, At least I can say that GARY needs mental and sexual help for his condition! BUT YOU DID NOTHING BUT CRITISIZE YOUR DAUGHTER CLOTHES FOR YOUR HUSBANDS ACTIONS!! You really are a SICK PERSON!! As far as your attacks on my mother, CARMEN OROSCO, I HAVE ONLY ONE THING TO SAY, you have always attacked woman in the AOY who you were jealous of and my mother is no different!! After she found out that you and GARY have been circulating her name on your forum she only replied one thing, ****" PLEASE THANK GARY AND CAROL FOR ACUSSING ME FALSELY TO JACOB MEYER THEIR ACTIONS HELPED REMOVE ME FROM THE AOY!IT WAS THE BEST THING TO EVER HAPPENED TO ME AND MY FAMILY! THANK YOU"****

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Subject: [REBUTTAL] PART 7 E HAWKE


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Date Posted: 15:06:21 03/16/11 Wed
"AFTER REVIEWING THE FACTS I STAND BY THE INITIAL RESULTS OF MY INVESTIGATION" LOL!!! Wow HAWKE, I wonder where did you go to INVESTIGATION SCHOOL lol!! When doing an INVESTIGATION,one contacts ALL PARTIES INVOLVED!! Funny i dont recall you ever asking me for MY PROOF!? In fact did you EVER BOTHER CONTACTING THE VICTIM OF THE MOLESTATION? So let me get this straight, you NEVER contacted me, you still have yet to answer WHY GARY WANTED A PLEA DEAL FOR A LESSER SENTENCE, and you NEVER BOTHERED TO CONTACT DENIEL MCAVIN (THE VICTIM)FOR HER SIDE OF THE STORY ON THE MOLESTATION!? Yet you support the MOLESTOR GARY MCAVIN? HAWKE your investigation IS TRULY ONE FOR THE BIRDS!!LOL!!

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Subject: [REBUTTAL] PART 6 CAROL "MIGHTY MAUDE"


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Date Posted: 15:54:32 03/06/11 Sun
CAROL, I can honestly say that i have MORE RESPECT FOR A SKUNK then i do YOU! When i was in JOM office in 91 with FRED I recall JOM saying ABOUT YOU and I QUOTE " she needs to get off her power trip and consult things thru me first", He was speaking of your claim that PEPSODENT tooth paste was a kosher product and you were spreading that info to others without consulting with him!! WELL I GUESS SOME THINGS NEVER CHANGE! EXCEPT YOUR HAIR COLOR! you are quick to quote DENIEL in a mysterious letter you say she wrote you in 2008. Now me and DENIEL broke up in 2006 and have NEVER GOTTEN ALONG SINCE in fact we dont even see each other but maybe ONCE A YEAR! So if she really did write you that letter APOLOGIZING and asking FORGIVENESS from you all then ALL WOULD BE WELL RIGHT? Acording to scripture you forgive 70 times 7, and well you being a deaconess, ESPECIALLY if the apology was comming from your daughter, would FOLLOW SCRIPTURE RIGHT? WELL GUESS WHAT? Thats not the case! On FEBRUARY 20TH 2011 you sent DENIEL a MESSAGE and BLAST YOUR DAUGHTER AWAY! Do you remember what you said mighty maude? Let me help you remember, *** YOU HAVE A NEW "WONDERFUL FAMILY" SO IVE HEARD. SO THERE IS NO REASON FOR CONTACT WITH THIS END OF YOUR BLOODLINE FOREVERMORE! YOUR CHILDREN HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO MEET WITH THEIR OTHER BLOODLINE ANYWAY AND HAVE ONLY BEEN INFLUENCED AND POISONED BY THEIR CURRENT CARETAKERS! SO JUST FORGET ABOUT US. KEEP YOUR PROBLEMS WITH YOU AND TONY TO YOURSELVES AND LEAVE US ALONE FOREVERMORE! NOTHING MORE ABOUT GARY OR I WILL GET A LAWYER! RIGHT NOW I HAVE THE ANGER TO DO THIS UNLESS ALL OF YOU CEASE AND DESISTS FROM INVOLVING US IN YOUR PETTY LITTLE LIVES! YOU HAVE LET THINGS GO TONYS WAY AND YOU WILL NEVER HAVE YOUR CHILDREN BACK WHILE HE AND HIS MOTHER ARE ALIVE! ALL OF YOU ARE TOTALLY INSIGNIFICANT TO ME! ESTAS MUERTO PARA MI!**** WOW!! and your a DEACONESS? THERES MORE LOVE IN A SATANIC CULT THEN WHAT JUST CAME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH! Do you DENY that message CARROL? If DENIEL wrote that letter in 2008, and me and DENIEL have had hardly NO CORRESPONDENCE, since then why would you BLAST HER AWAY LIKE THAT? Ill tell you why MIGHTY MAUDE, because your so call letter from 2008, is a BIG LIE! She never did write any letter to you! She cant stand the fact that when she went to you for help EVERY TIME HER DAD GOT HORNY, your answer was always, "YOU SHOULDNT WEAR PROVACATIVE CLOTHES AROUND YOUR DAD" SICK!! How do i know this? When I asked her why didnt she go to you for help when GARY was molesting her, she said THATS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID! What kind of SICK PARENT would say that! And you OBVIOUSLY have so much JEALOUSY toward CARMEN OROSCO! Why? Because she knows how to be a grandparent? Because she doesnt tollerate incest the way you do? You say my mom WANTS THE KIDS TO HERSELF! Yet at TJs funeral your daughter DENISE, TOLD MY MOM THAT "WE HEARD YOU HAVE CUSTODY OF THE BOYS" You know what her response was? " THESE ARE NOT MY BOYS, TONY HAS CUSTODY OF THE KIDS" WOW!!Sounds like shes really after the kids LOL!!DONT BELIEVE ME? Ask DENISE or even ANGIE MEYER, she was standing right next to DENISE! You have tried to ruin my MOTHERS REPUTATION thru your FORKED TONGUE, but with NO SUCCESS! As far as your comment that the ONLY way DENIEL will ever get her kids is if me and my mom ARE DEAD, well if anything does ever happen to me and my mother, THERE WILL BE SUFFICENT EVIDENCE TO SHOW THAT YOU AND YOUR DAUGHTER HAVE A MOTIVE TO REMOVE US FROM THE PICTURE! YOU and your HUSBAND speak of herasy? LOL! Yet both of you were NOTORIOUS for running to JOM and saying that this person or that person was doing wrong, or had a bad attitude. And never would the accused be able to have there say in the matter, only because GARY and CARROL are DEACONS! Yet now you cry HERASY, HERASY! WHAT GOES AROUND REALLY DOES COME AROUND MIGHTY MAUDE! AND YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT KARMA! Let me end this with a letter your daughter wrote you concerning THE WICKED CARMEN OROSCO like you so love to call her! this letter was sent to you in SEPTEMBER 6TH 2002 *****"WHATEVER I SAID WHEN I CAME OUT THERE WAS EXAGERATED DUE TO THE ANGER I FELT AT THE TIME. CARMEN ISNT A BAD PERSON AND IM ASHAMED THAT I DIDNT REALIZE THAT BEFORE I TRIED TO SHUT THE DOOR IN HER FACE. SHE IS NOT A VIOLENT PERSON THAT CURSES ALL THE TIME AND ONLY CONCERN FOR HER GRANDSON AND SON CAME OUT THAT DAY. SHE DOESNT GO OUT TO CLUBS OR DRESS INAPPROPRIATELY NOR DOES SHE GAMBLE.SHE DOESNT EVEN LIKE TO DRINK. AND AS FAR AS HER HAVING CONTACT WITH MEMBERS IN THE ASSEMBLY THERE IS NOTHING TO SAY TO THAT SO SHE CANT BE ACCUSED OF GOSSIPING AND WHAT NOT. ALL I KNOW IS I HAD NO RIGHT BEING ANGRY WITH CARMEN FOR CARING AND I SHOULDNT HAVE COME UP THERE AND EXAGERATED THE STORY ABOUT CARMEN TRYING TO GET ME AND MY SONS".***** You remember that letter MIGHT MAUDE! YET DESPITE THAT YOU STILL ACCUSED HER WRONGLY TO JOM!! Despite your daughter TRUE CONFESSION!! AND YET YOU AND GARY SPEAK OF HERASY?? YOU LIVE 2000 MILES FROM SAN ANTONIO AND YET YOU FALSELY ACCUSED CARMEN OF SOMETHING YOU KNEW NOTHING OF!! AND EVEN AFTER YOUR OWN DAUGHTER CONFESSED DID YOU APOLOGIZE? DID YOU NOTIFY JOM THAT THERE WAS A MISTAKE? NO CARROL YOU ARE THE WICKED ONE!! COMPLETLY GUILTY OF HERASY!! LET THAT BE ON YOUR SOUL DEACONESS!!

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Subject: [REBUTTAL] PART 5 MARCH 2004 STRAUSSTOWN PA


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Date Posted: 13:52:41 03/06/11 Sun
Nice try GARY, You stood your ground in court because you could not tell a lie? but ONCE AGAIN, you and your wife CONTINUE to avoid my main question? So i will REPEAT it AGAIN for the FIFTH TIME. WHY WERE YOU QUICK TO PLEAD GUILTY TO THE CHARGE OF CORRUPTION OF A MINOR? As you well know I was also in the SAME COURTHOUSE on that day DENIEL and YOU were in court. The assistant district attorny said that YOU WERE WILLING TO PLEAD GUILTY TO THE CHARGE OF CORRUPTION OF A MINOR!! HOWEVER, the assistant DA did not want to accept YOUR PLEA BARGAIN, because and let me quote what the ASST DA said " THERE IS SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE TO MOVE THIS TRIAL FORWARD" WOW!! No proof you say? How about you carrol? you say there is no proof? You say in your REBUTTAL that " I do percieve that you, and others with you, are not cognizant of the law and its do process" Well GARY actually i am VERY COGNIZANT OF THE LAW AND ITS DUE PROCESS! You see in the UNITED STATES an individual is INNOCENT untill they are proven GUILTY in a court of law. That means when you walked into the courthouse in MARCH 2004 in STRAUSSTOWN PA, you were an INNOCENT MAN! The burden of proof would fall on the PLANTIFF ie DENIEL MCAVIN to prove you WERE GUILTY!! Well every one knows that, due process, even you and carrol! So if there was NO PROOF like you and carrol say that there is none, then you should have walked into that court room a VERY CONFIDENT MAN, knowing that YAHWEH was on your side, and THE LAW was on your side, and that DENIEL had no proof right? But thats NOT what you did GARY! Your LAWYER and YOU wanted a PLEA DEAL!! You asked the ASST DA, if you could plead GUILTY to a LESSER CHARGE CALLED CORRUPTION OF A MINOR, rather then the INITIAL CHARGE OF CHILD MOLESTATION. You remeber that GARY? I DO, because I WAS THERE IN THE COURT HOUSE WHEN IT HAPPENED!WHY....I REPEAT MYSELF... WHY WERE YOU WILLING TO PEAD GUILTY TO SOMETHING YOU SAY YOUR SO INNOCENT OF? J.CARNES? E HAWKE? MIGHTY MAUDE? GARY? ANYBODY? Once again NO RESPONCE!!! SO MR E HAWKE I ASK YOU TO PUT THE COURT RECORDS ON YOUR SITE FOR ALL TO SEE!! GARY I WILL ASK YOU, PUT THE COURT RECORDS ON YOUR REBUTTAL! But we ALL KNOW YOU WONT! You and E HAWKE are so quick to say,{ WE HAVE SOURCES, AND INDSIDE INFORMATION} LOL!!! But the one thing that is a PUBLIC RECORD, and would help exhaunerate you and would prove that DENIEL was really lieing, YOU AND E HAWKE COWAR AWAY FROM!! THE TRUTH HURTS DOESNT IT GARY! What is so difficult to show everyone that you walked into that courthouse, stood your ground and pleaded NOT GUILTY, to any charges brought against you? UNLESS YOU DID PLEAD GUILTY, AND ARE AFRAID TO SHOW EVERYONE THE TRUTH? An innocent man would plead NOT GUILY if he really was NOT GUILTY! As far as you E HAWKE if you had ANY SENSE you would get the court records to PROOVE that GARY never asked for a plea deal! But for some reason you wont either! So you also PROOVE that any thing you say is COMPLETELY YELLOWISTIC JOURNALISM! I WOULD GET BETTER INFORMATION ON TRUTH, FROM THE NATIONAL INQUIRE, THEN YOUR SITE TRUTH ON THE NET! What better source to satisfy ALL SPECULATIONS, THEN THE COURT RECORDS! You dont have to be a GENIUS TO KNOW THAT E HAWK!

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Subject: [REBUTTAL] PART 4 GET YOUR TIME LINE RIGHT!!!


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Date Posted: 11:47:25 03/06/11 Sun
"WILL YOU WIN, I DONT THINK SO" lol!! GARY i am not trying to win ANYTHING!! Your REPUTATION which was never a good one to begin with, is already RUINED BY YOUR OWN SEXUAL PERVERSNESS!! If this was a game, AND ITS NOT!, the fact that your known as a CHILD MOLESTER OF YOUR OWN DAUGHTER, MEANS YOU LOST!! GOT IT!! Secondly the FACTS ARE VERY OBVIOUS! NO ONE, I REPEAT NO ONE, made DENIEL come up with this! As a matter of fact I EVEN TOLD HER I DIDNT BELIEVE IT! HER ACUSATIONS CAME UP IN 1998 REMEMBER!! Let me refresh your memory!! YOU called for your little LYNCH MOB, in 1999 together to have a meeting with me in the administration trailer of the AOY! It was then when i told you of DENIELS claim that you had MOLESTED her. HELLO GARY YOU REMEMBER THAT!! I KNOW YOUR ALMOST 70 BUT I DO HOPE YOUR BRAIN CAN RECALL THAT DAY!!If you forgot you can ask your WIFE, MARY MEYER, JOHNATHAN MEYER, OR NATHANIEL MEYER, THEY WERE ALL THERE!! Now you claim that me and TYRONE, and RJW, conspired this in 2003? ARE YOU THAT STUPID?? ALREADY YOUVE SHOWN ME YOU ARE A LIAR! In 1999 TJ AND RJW were members of the AOY, they would NEVER HAD BEEN THAT DUMB TO ASK ME TO SPEAR HEAD A LIE ABOUT DENIEL IN 1999!! I had been in the AOY since 1979, If they would have asked me to do that i would have told BOTH OF THEM, TO TAKE A HIKE!!!THE FACT is YOUR DAUGHTER had NOTHING to gain by telling me this, as her boyfreind she confided in me on this, and BELIEVE ME, SHE CRIED HERSELF TO SLEEP MANY TIMES!!! I KNOW I WAS THERE TO SEE IT!! NOW LETS THINK FOR A MOMENT...In 1999 DENIELS mom is at the FOT, her sisters are at the FOT, her brothers, nieces and nephews,are at the FOT, and her BOYFREIND is at the FOT, ALL THE PEOPLE SHE LOVED WERE IN THE AOY!!! Now WHY.. I REPEAT....WHY, would she make up such a POWERFUL ACCUSATION, if she wanted to return to the AOY where EVERYONE SHE LOVED WAS AT?? SHE HAD NOTHING TO GAIN AND EVERTHING TO LOOSE IF THIS WAS A LIE!! HELLO..J.CARNES...HELLO E HAWKE... you both are investigators, ANALYZE THAT!! In a crime detectives look for a MOTIVE, guess what NO MOTIVE!! Even SHERLOCK HOMES would tell you that ODDS ARE DENIEL WASNT LIEING!!! Now if these allogations mystereously came up in 2003 when RJW, TJ, CARMEN OROSCO, AND MYSELF , were no longer in the AOY, THEN YOU MAY HAVE A POSSIBLE MOTIVE FOR REVENGE!!, But thats not how it happened did it GARY!!?? LET ME MAKE MY SELF VERY CLEAR....DENIEL MCAVIN, YOUR DAUGHTER, BROUGHT HER SAD STORY OF YOUR SICK ACTIONS OF MOLESTING HER IN 1998!! IF SHE WAS LIEING THERE WAS NOTHING TO GAIN FROM IT!!ONLY EVERYTHING TO LOOSE!! IN 1999 IN THE OFFICE TRAILOR OF THE AOY AT THE 1999 FOT YOU CALLED FOR THAT MEETING AND I TOLD YOU OF YOUR DAUGHTERS CLAIM!! You also READ A LETTER OUTLOUD!!, that DENIEL wrote you, confessing she had slept with me even though we were un married, and WAS ASKING FORGIVENESS SO SHE COULD RETURN TO THE AOY!!! HELLO..REMEMBER THAT GARY..DO YOU AND CAROL STILL HAVE THAT LETTER? SO WHY....I REPEAT WHY?? WOULD SHE CLAIM YOU SEXUALLY MOLESTED HER IF SHE WANTED BACK IN THE AOY?? HELLO..J. CARNES?..HELLO E HAWKE? YOU STILL WITH ME?? DENIEL KNEW HER WORD WAS NOTHING VERSUS HER FATHERS,SO SHE KEPT IT IN HER!!WAS JOM REALLY GONNA HELP DENIEL AGAINST HER DAD WHEN HER DAD WAS THE ARCHITECT OF JOMs PRIDE AND JOY WMLK??? THESE ARE THE FACTS!!!So lets see GARY, if you will go on your REBUTTAL forum and kindly CORRECT YOURSELF, on the dates in which things REALLY TOOK PLACE!! If you cant then you REALLY ARE A LIER!! DO YOU REALLY HOLD YOURSELF TO HIGHER STANDARDS.....PROVE IT THEN!!!

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Subject: [REBUTTAL] PART 2 [ did you really think you could get me] LOL!!!


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Date Posted: 16:46:39 03/04/11 Fri
SUCH ARROGANCE! " did you really think you could get me" LOL!! Yeah elder wirl was always schemming to try to come up with a master plan to take you out GARY!! LOL!! You obviously watch to many COYOTE AND ROADRUNNER CARTOONS! LOL!! Your comment that RJW was out to take over the AOY is some of the BEST PROPOGANDA IVE EVER HEARD!! You know who else pulled that card, ADOLPH HITLER!! THE JEWS ARE OUT TO TAKE OVER!! So he worked the german crowds over into believing it!! UTTER LIES!! In 1999 I asked RJW if JOM dies arent you next in charge? You know what he told me AND I QUOTE! "TONY PERSONALLY I DONT WANT THE JOB, BUT ITS NOT MY POSITION TO TAKE, BUT ON WHOM YAHWEH WISHES TO BESTOW UPON" UNQUOTE! Oh yes sounds like an evil mastermind at work!!LOL!!! I can tell your so FULL OF JEALOUSY, when it comes to RJW AND the late ELDER TYRONE JOYNER! I can tell it kills you inside that SO MANY love them for their works and yet the only thing peolpe remember you as is an EVIL VENDICTIVE MAN WHO HAD THE HOTS FOR HIS DAUGHTER! SICK! You know theres an old saying [THE HEART IS NOT JUDGED BY HOW MUCH YOU LOVE, BUT BY HOW MUCH YOU ARE LOVED BY OTHERS] And BELIEVE ME, I have yet to see any abuse forums concening RJW or TJ!! But with you and your wife SO MANY HAVE TESTIFIED!! EVEN YOUR OWN DAUGHTER!! Your a deacon at least i think you are, what does the bible say, oh yeah thats right... "AT THE MOUTH OF 2 OR 3 WITNESSES" well how about over 100?? ENOUGH SAID!! ANYTHING ELSE IS JUST AN OLD MAN WHO CANT COME TO GRIP WITH THE TRUTH!! You say that RJW was "SUSPECT FOR A CRIMINAL MINDSET" LOL!! Good one GARY!! Do you know how many times this NOTORIOUS CRIMINAL was arrested in his life?? NEVER!!LOL!! oh yes GARY HES AN EVIL GENIUS!!LOL!! Now let take a look at YOU!!YES YOU!! The detective who summons you to court on your daughters SEXUAL MOLESTATION TRIAL, did a little bit of investigating on YOU, which makes sense cause as a law enforcement officer he wants to know if your gonna give him a difficult time when he serves the court summons. Guess what he found, YOU WERE ARRESTED FOR DRIVING A VEHICLE WHILE YOU WERE DRUNK!! YEAH GARY A DWI!! Do YOU DENY THIS? LETS FIND OUT RIGHT NOW IF YOUR REALLY NOT A LIER? Well me and DENIEL saw it with our own eyes!! DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE DIE AT THE HANDS OF DRUNK DRIVERS!!?? DID YOU EVEN CARE? Or let me guess, when the officer pulled you over and arrested you for being drunk behind the wheel you probably blamed RJW, for it!! LOL!! ENOUGH SAID!! IF ANYONE IS A CRIMINAL WITH A LEGAL HISTORY IT IS YOU!! JEALOUSY GETS YOU KNOW WHERE GARY!! And you show your stupidity when you say TJ met a violent end for helping me!! LOL!! you know who else met a very violent end? JEREMY PEDERSON, I GUESS YAHWEH WAS BRINGING DOWN JUDGEMENT ON JEREMY TOO RIGHT? Let me make my self clear! YOU ARE NO ONE TO MAKE SUCH A STATEMENT ON WHY A PERSON DIES!! As far as TJ is concerned theres an old saying, { ITS BETTER TO DIE YOUNG WITH A GOOD NAME, THEN TO LIVE TO BE 100 AND HAVE A ROTTEN ONE} TJ was LOVED by many and is 100 TIMES THE MAN YOU ARE! YET OLD MACK JUST KEEPS GETTING OLDER, AND HIS EVIL SECRETS JUST KEEP COMMING OUT!! ENOUGH SAID!! Inside its just eating you up that YOUR PUSHING 70 and ALL YOUR DIRTY LITTLE SECRETS ARE COMMING OUT!! No honor for old mack?? I THINK NOT!

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Subject: [REBUTTAL] PART 1


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Date Posted: 15:39:00 03/04/11 Fri
My name has recently been circulated over the internet and on a web site called TRUTH ON THE NET,and a new forum (REBUTTAL) by GARY and CAROL MAUDE MCAVIN. Many false things have been spread in an attempt for one man,GARY MCAVIN, to try to save his quickly deminishing reputation and so with that I ask this forum to please excuse the lenghthyness of this message so i will break it down into several parts. Let me start by saying I admire the courage of those who have come forward and have spoken out against the mental abuse that took place in the AOY, I know many of you remember me from my years living with my uncle ALFREDO ORTIZ, in bethel PA. My uncle later married JACOB MEYERS eldest daughter MARY MEYER, and we moved in to Marys home which allowed me to hear many things and see for myself personally many matters that were in regard to GARY AND CARROL MCAVIN. You see since mary was the eldest child of JOM many of her younger siblings like JOHNATHAN MEYER, JOESEPH MEYER, NATHANIEL MEYER, AND EVEN JACOB MEYER would come by and talk with MARY as any normal family would, and discuss things that took place in the AOY. Later in my life I entered into a nine year relationship with GARY MCAVINS youngest daughter DENIEL MCAVIN,and again many SHOCKING and SAD things were revealed to me by DENIEL, concerning her parents GARY AND CAROL! But this time it was comming from THEIR OWN DAUGHTER! My uncle was also good freinds with JOHNATHAN MEYER, who also was my uncles best man at his wedding, and with ELDER ROBERT WIRL, who was the second highst ranking elder at the AOY at that time, MANY a times matters would come up in discussions with my uncle concerning GARY and CARROLS character!! So with that being said for ANYONE who feels I KNOW NOTHING OF THE FACTS, YOUR JUST FLAT OUT ARE IN DENIAL! I hope all are doing well, so many of you were very kind to me while i was in bethel as a kid and its so sad to see how many were mentally and emotionally hurt by such a few egocentrical people! But like all evil regimes much like ADOLPH HITLER, JOESEPH STALIN, SADDAM HUSSIEN, or even the situation in EYGPT AND LYBIA today, THEY ALWAYS COME TO AN END!

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Subject: MIGHTY MAUDE SPEAKS LOL!!!!


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Date Posted: 21:34:41 02/19/11 Sat
WOW!! I DIDNT REALIZE YOU WERE YOUR HUSBANDS VOICE!! LOL!! USUALLY GUILTY PEOPLE HAVE OTHERS TO SPEAK FOR THEM IN THEIR COWARDACE!! LETS STICK TO THE FACTS MIGHTY MAUDE! IF YAHWEH WANTED SOMEONE DEAD, HE WOULD NOT KILL SOMEONE INNOCENT LIKE JEREMY INSTEAD! ARE YOU REALLY THAT STUPID? SECOND YOU OF ALL PEOPLE, LEFT YOUR HUSBAND BECAUSE OF HIS DRINKING BINGES OR DID YOU FORGET THAT!? THIRD YOUR DAUGHTER DENIELS LIFE IS AN UTTER LET ME REPEAT THAT UTTER!!!FAILURE AND REFLECTION OF YOUR JOB AS A MOTHER!! THERES AN OLD SAYING MAYBE YOU HEARD OF "IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE GIRL WILL BE LIKE WHEN SHES OLDER JUST LOOK AT HER MOTHER" THIS IS OBVIOUSLY THE CASE WITH YOU AND DENIEL!! BOTH WITH FORKED TONGUES!!OH YES POOR DENIEL RAN AWAY FROM MEAN OLD TONY, THE ABUSER, THE BISEXUAL, THE DRUGY!! LOL!!! LET ME EXPLAIN SOMETHING TO YOU GENIUS,TONY WAS A CITY BUS DRIVER FROM 97-02! A SAN ANTONIO SCHOOL BUS DRIVER FROM 98 TO 04 AND A CHARTER BUS DRIVER SINCE 07 TO TODAY! DO YOU KNOW THERES A DEPT CALL THE DOT, DEPT OF TRANSPORTATION THAT REQUIRES UNDER FEDERAL LAW MANDATORY RANDOM AND UNRANDOM DRUG AND ALCOHOL TEST TO BE GIVEN! WELL I KNOW YOUR BRAIN MAY BE A LITTLE SMALL MAUDE SO LET ME HELP YOU WITH THAT, NO MR CARDENAS DOES NOT AND HAS NOT USED DRUGS!! YOU SEE IF HE DID HE WOULD NEVER!! EVER!! BEEN EMPLOYED FOR SUCH A DURATION WITH A CITY BUS DRIVING POSITION MUCH LESS A STATE SCHOOL BUS DRIVER!!?? HELLO IS THERE ANY GREY MATTER LEFT IN YOUR HEAD MAUDE?? OBVIOUSLY NOT!! OH AND ONE MORE THING EINSTEIN WHEN MR CARDENAS GOT CUSTODIALSHIP OF HIS BOYS HE WAS REQUIRED TO DO A 10 PANEL DRUG TEST BY STATE LAW AND GUESS WHAT MIGHTY MAUDE!! NO DRUGS!! LOL!! NO MAUDE THE FACT IS MR CARDENAS HAS COURAGOUSLY DONE THE JOB OF TWO PARENTS WHILE YOUR DAUGHTER HAS CONTINUED HER SEXUAL ESCAPADES IN EAGLE PASS!! YOU DESCRIBE SOME VERY TROUBLING SEXUAL HISTORY OF YOUR DAUGHTER EVEN BEFORE SHE MOVED TO TEXAS!! FUNNY SHE ACCUSES YOUR HUSBAND OF THE SAMETHING!! AT LEAST WE NOW KNOW ITS IN THE GENES!! AND WHATS WORSE LIKE SHE SAID WHEN MR CARDENAS ASKED HER IF SHE WENT TO HER MOM FOR HELP WHEN GARY MOLESTED HER SHE SAID AND I QUOTE " MY MOM SAID THAT I SHOULDNT BE WEARING THOSE KIND OF CLOTHES AROUND MY DAD", DO YOU REMEMBER THAT MAUDE WHEN SHE TOLD THAT TO THE JUDGE IN STRAUSSTOWN?? YOU WERE THERE WERENT YOU OR WAS THAT JUST ANOTHER PERSON WITH A BAD HAIR COLOR CHANGE?? OH YES HES SO ABUSIVE, DO YOU KNOW THAT BEFORE MR CARDENAS GOT CUSTODIALSHIP CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES DID A THOROUGH BACK GROUND CHECK OF HIM!! AND COURT 411 THE HONORABLE JUDGE JIM RAUSCH ALSO HAD A DISCOVERY DONE AND GUESS WHAT MIGHTY MAUDE!! THEY FOUND THAT TONY WAS AN ALCOHOLIC, DRUGY, BISEXUAL, ABUSIVE PERSON SO THEY DECIDED TO GIVE FOUR BOYS TO HIM!! NOT!!! LOL!! ARE YOU REALLY THIS STUPID!! I SEE WHERE DENIEL SMALL MIND CAME FROM NOW!!YOU!!LOL!! AND YOUR RIGHT MAUDE I GET YOUR POINT "HE SAID SHE SAID" SO I CHALLENGED YOUR HUSBAND AND NOW SINCE YOU ARE HIS VOICE I CHALLENGE YOU!! MAKE THE COURT RECORDS PUBLIC!! DID YOU HEAR THAT MAUDE...ONE MORE TIME CAUSE I KNOW YOUR GETTING OLD!! MAKE THE COURT RECORDS PUBLIC ON YOUR SITE!! I DARE YOU!! BUT SINCE YOUR AWESOME AT PREDICTING OUTCOMES LIKE JEREMYS DEATH AND TONYS SURRVIVAL, HEARS A PREDICTION FOR YOU!! YOU WONT MAKE THEM PUBLIC!! WHY?? BECAUSE YOUR HUSBAND WILLINGLY AGREED TO PLEAD GUILTY TO CHARGES OF CORRUPTION OF A MINOR CHARGES!! IF HE WAS SO INNOCENT AND HAD FAITH THAT YAHWEH WOULD WIN THE DAY BECAUSE HE DID NO EVIL THEN WHY PLEAD GUILY?? HELLO EINSTEIN ARE YOU STILL WITH ME?? MAKE THEM PUBLIC MAUDE AND PROVE THE FACTS OR LIKE YOUR HUSBAND JUST BE A CHICKEN AND AVOID IT!!

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[> Subject: Re: MIGHTY MAUDE SPEAKS LOL!!!!


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Date Posted: 07:42:45 02/26/11 Sat
I Really hope someone soon posts some kind of evidence to the case because all I'm reading is a bunch of arguing

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Subject: Re: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?


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Walter H R Schwenk
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Date Posted: 14:34:10 12/21/10 Tue
Dear "finally proof";
I wonder if you have yet accepted the reality that people leave the AOY for reasons beside the ones you listed. The only material reason I can see for my expulsion in dec 2003 is that the administration could not tolerate an opinion on Genesis 22 that differed from that of the directing elder, and also happened to be better. Link to details through http://schwenkcarpentry.com/memories.aspx , enjoy your visit! Brief summary of Gen 22 material at http://schwenkcarpentry.com/parablegen22.aspx . Thanks for the memories!

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Subject: Re: Please explain...


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jemtotreasure
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Date Posted: 22:35:56 10/05/10 Tue
dear just wondering...did you ever just wonder how YOU got to be so jaded, too? Opinions are like a-holes...everyone's got one.

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Subject: Re: Report Assemblies of Yahweh Abuse


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jemtotreasure
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Date Posted: 22:30:21 10/05/10 Tue
OH PLEASE!!!!!!!! He didn't just defend evil, he was the epitomy of it!!!!!!!!! I guess I better pray for you, too, that your eyes are opened.

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Subject: Re: Bye Bye GARY


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jemtotreasure
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Date Posted: 22:24:54 10/05/10 Tue
why does this NOT surprise me. There is a country song by The Dixie Chicks called "Earl". The chorus is "...Cause Earl had to die..." Well, it's time for Gary "the bastard" Mcavin to take a LOOOOONNNNGGGG walk off a short pier. Jeez, I'll even push him if he needs help....

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Subject: mrs biggs


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Date Posted: 18:45:15 09/08/10 Wed
my apologies to this forum this is my first visit. Mrs biggs its been a long time since we have talked. I dont know much of your recent history but i understand your writing a paper on people who use Yahwehs name. And you contacted Gary McAvin concerning the most recent posting from "mort" about his molestation of his daughter deniel mcavin. First of all you have been sadly misled by gary into thinking that she was "coached" by the abuse counselor! How do i know this? because i was in the same room as Deniel and the counselor! Gary was NOT IN THE NEXT ROOM!!! Do you honestly think a female accusing her father of molesting her and that they would allow the accused to be so close that he can hear her conversation with her support counselor!? Gary was four rooms down with the court door closed! DENIEL WAS NOT COACHED! Gary remained in the court room and never moved! Do you think the baliff would allow a loud conversation of coaching comming from four rooms away to enter the court room!! AGAIN I WAS THERE!! I KNOW! Gary said to you that Deniel wrote a letter to him professing that she lied!! and that this was just all made up! If that is true im sure the DAs office of the state of pennsylvania will be very intrested in knowing they now have a case against Deniel for purgury!Which im sure will have a hefty panalty! Will you also wright about that? The fact is Deniel cried herself to sleep at night because of her fathers abuse! She would always say "you dont know what he did to me in the van and at the transmitter" She said it ruined her life and was the reason for her "frail mental condition". How do I know this? BECAUSE I WAS THERE!I SAW HER TEARS! I SAW HER DRINKING BINGES BECAUSE OF HER DADS MOLESTATION! IT GREATLY AFFECTED HER! Thats why she took him to court for closure! NO ONE THREATEN HER TO TAKE HER KIDS AWAY!!! SHE ABANDONED HER KIDS IN 2006 TO RUN OFF WITH RUDY FLORES A MAN WHO WAS ALREADY MARRIED!! AND LEFT HER CHILDREN BEHIND WHERE THERE FATHER MR T.CARDENAS HAS DONE THE JOB AS A SINGLE PARENT EVER SINCE! The courts saw the evidence for what it was and made the decision that she ABANDONED them! No one "pimped her" or held a gun to her head she chose that path ON HER OWN!! If you are going to write a story you need to seek out ALL THE SOURCES!! Not just the ones that benifit your arguement! Thank you for your time Mrs Biggs, and i wish you well on your journey thru life.

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Subject: Re: Bye Bye GARY


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Bro. Abel
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Date Posted: 15:29:45 09/04/10 Sat
Get rid of 'Gary?" Well, here's my "opinion." I have personally witnessed "Gary" threaten, demean, belittle and embarress young people in the AOY, often for the most trivial reasons. He likes to imtimidate anyone he thinks can be intimidated, adults included. However, "Gary" is not the only remnant of JOM's henchmen. There is also "Jeff" and "John" and "Don" and even the seemingly mild-mannered "Raymond." I heard that when JOM died that some ex-members wanted to come and pay their respects at the funeral home because it was the right and proper thing to do. However, they were barred from entering by the henchmen. What a travesty. And we wonder why so many young people left the AOY. But the real shame is they just didn't leave that organization. They were so tramatized and discouraged with the AOY's brand of "religion" that many left believing in the truth altogether. Shame on the AOY for allowing this situation to go unchecked and for not calling into check "Gary" and his scowling band of cohorts. >;-(

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Subject: Assembly of Yahweh assemblies, who really has the right to our name.


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AOY Faithful
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Date Posted: 14:52:37 12/18/08 Thu
It seems from postings on the internet that Nathaniel Meyer has been around threatening others who use the name of Yahweh. The name "Assembly of Yahweh" and its plural "Assemblies of Yahweh" have been used by our organization for many years before Jacob O. Meyer was ever born. It is our legal name and we have every right to use it. Jacob Meyer and his sons have no right to our name and no authority to threaten others who use it, what so ever. We will continue to use our name including "Assemblies of Yahweh" in reference to our organization.

Perhaps the Meyer group thinks it has some right to "trade mark" or "service mark" our name but it does not. Trade mark law does not allow anyone to "trade mark" or "service mark" any names or titles of "God" (as they put it), and "Yahweh" is such a name.

If this Pennsylvania group thinks they have a case against us, then they should file a lawsuit in civil court. They will get laughed right out of court with their frivolous claims. We have used and will continue to use our name the Assembly of Yahweh and the assemblies of Yahweh till the cows come home.

In case Jacob O. Meyer and his son Nathaniel want to file a lawsuit here is our address where to send the papers:

The Assembly of Yahweh
1017 N. Gunnell Road
Eaton Rapid, MI 48827

Website: Assembly of Yahweh

We are drawing line in the sand and telling the Bethel Pennsylvania group not to step over it. We dare you to file a lawsuit against us. Just go to court and see what happens. We will put you in your place very quickly! You do not have any right to use our name or any name that is confusingly similar to it or to threaten others.

What assembly would want to be confused with the Bethel group with all the immorality that Nathaniel Meyer mentions in his posting? We do not want to be confused with such a group and you can easily see why from the things he admits.

If you have something to say just come out and post it here Nathaniel.

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[> Subject: Re: Assembly of Yahweh assemblies, who really has the right to our name.


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Abbey
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Date Posted: 23:45:37 02/06/09 Fri
Who's right is it to put a Trademark or the rigts to use mark on "Yahweh"?

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[> [> Subject: Not as you say...


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Amazed
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Date Posted: 16:56:45 02/26/09 Thu
It's not the name of Yahweh that is trademarked, it is "Assemblies of Yahweh" that is officially registered as the name of the Bethel, PA organization. Let's have a little respect for the laws protecting its identity. The laws are established to avoid confusion. You know what confusion is Abbey, don't you.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Not as you say...


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Date Posted: 19:34:35 06/06/10 Sun
"Confusion" is what JOM likes to do when he as eliminated members for the AOY.

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Subject: PURE RELIGION


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Date Posted: 11:17:30 05/29/10 Sat
Pure Religion and undefiled before El is this, to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, AND TO KEEP ONE UNSPOTTED FROM THE WORLD. Jacob 1:27

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Subject: Re: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?


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Date Posted: 20:05:08 05/25/10 Tue
If you are only seening this one thread (discussion) you may not be accessing the entire form. To reach the main forum for more discussion please click here MAIN FORUM

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Subject: destroyers


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damaged goods
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Date Posted: 20:18:40 05/14/10 Fri
First it was the Seventh Day Adventists, then the Worldwide Church of God, then AOY, then AOY in Messiah, all before I was 17. My parents were searching for something, and I suffered. I hope all of you rot in hell. Only Jesus can forgive you for what you've done. I can't

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Subject: Re: Nathaniel Meyer Disappeared!!!


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Mort (Mort)
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Date Posted: 10:37:03 03/26/10 Fri
I find it quite interesting that Nathaniel used the phrase, "...spiritual intent." I must ask, what is the spiritual intent of a Website like "Truth on the Net.com"?
The authors of this Website engage in pure "LaShon Harah" (The Evil Tongue). They are cowards who hide their true identity. Moreover, they make a pretentious show of being "objective," trying to give the impression that they are not members of the AOY. In my opinion, one would have to be deaf, dumb and blind to not see that "Truth on the Net.com" is a total sham and an AOY front.If Jacob O. Liar has no knowledge and does not lend his approval to this so-called Website, he is deaf, dumb and blind, and a liar to boot.
Come on now, you "Truth" people, come out of your closet and reveal your true identities. What are you afraid of?
You are like the "wizards" that "peep and mutter" in darkness. What "spiritual intent does you LaShon Harah Website have? Again, in my opinion, it has the same spiritual intent as satan -- to accuse and destroy the brethren.

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Subject: Re: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?


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Shalom (Selah-please ponder upon)
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Date Posted: 14:42:52 09/05/09 Sat
To the people who have family members remaining in the AOY, I was also a member until Yahweh called me out to a higher calling. The family members however, idolizes what Meyer says even though some things he says cannot be verified scriptually. They are evidently brainwashed. We can only pray that Yahweh will intervene and bring Meyer and my family back to the path of righteousness.
Meyer needs to humble himself and commune with himself and first acknowledge that he is not always right and there were people he had offended and never excercised Matthew 18:15, hence sending people twice fold unto Gehenna. The blood will be upon Meyers head because he caused some to stumble.

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Subject: Re: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?


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Walter HR Schwenk
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Date Posted: 13:42:02 08/17/09 Mon
Dear "Finally, Proof?" / "AOY member";

You said, "As long as we're naming names and pointing fingers on this forum perhaps you like me to name some and tell my stories about some who are no longer members. Would anyone be afraid to hear about their own lives?"

"AOY member", I would like to take you up on your kind offer; please tell me why I was pushed out the door to the meeting hall in december 2003? Tell me a bit more about this part of my life! Please tell your stories about me, as to the best of my knowledge, I am no longer an "AOY" member. Give me please, some more information to round out the link below.

http://schwenkcarpentry.com/memories.aspx

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Subject: Re: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?


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Paul R Wilson (tired)
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Date Posted: 12:45:04 08/12/09 Wed
I first heard of this bearded heretic Jacob O. Meyer back about 20 years ago. He sent me literature and that convinced me that he was deranged. Among other things he would NOT use the proper spelling of words like "lord")(as in Warlord Togo) and "Christ" and "church", but always as Warl-rd and Chr-ist, and ch-rch.
He also insisted in his "statement of doctrine" and in some of the articles his org sent, that we must obey the 613 commandments laid out in the books of Exodus,Leviticus et al. Minus the animal sacrifices that would be ~510 (the ten being the Ten Commandments). I believe that the Messiah (Jesus or Yahshuah or Yhwhhoshua or Cthulhu or whatever) abolished all but the Ten. The New Testament says so in Acts 15 and Mark 7.
Mr. Meyer is def. NOT to going to be able to muster 144,000 during any so-called Great Tribulation, esp. if he INSISTS on the 510 Commandments. No wonder people are leaving !

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Subject: Re: Not as you say...


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Yochanan ben Yoseph (Get A Life)
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Date Posted: 04:08:07 08/09/09 Sun
The Assembly/Assemblies of Yahweh in Holt Michigan was legally chartered back in 1937 and had some rather famous members. VanCamp of the food giant was one, so was Sesna of airplane fame, and I can't remember his name but he was the father of a famous black singer who he ended up shooting to death because he could no longer tolerate his sons wicked life style.

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Subject: Re: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?


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Date Posted: 10:03:19 07/10/09 Fri
so what did happen to the elder meyer, did he sit down to get his house in order after what happen with his son,

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Subject: Re: bubley?


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Darcy
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Date Posted: 12:20:41 05/22/09 Fri
Hi : was interested in the person asking if you were related to the Robert Bubley living in Alberta, Canada. Do you know Robert yourself ? I urgently need to contact him.
Thanks, Darcy

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Subject: Re: Nathaniel Meyer Disappeared!!!


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It is seen
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Date Posted: 19:10:36 03/16/09 Mon
"Jane" and "Really Qualified", I will assume that you are not "ADM" that your post are responding to (responding to his own post). Just to let you know again, I am not Nathaniel Meyer nor am I in any way related to him. I would urge you to do more investigation. You can start by reading all of these post carefully. Do not get drawn into
what is going on here. Already you have been lead into falsely accusing me by following after "ADM's" delusion that I am Nathaniel Meyer. (i.e. Jane, you have said that you where "shocked" by my ("It is seen") post. What did I say that was truly shocking? Because you followed after "ADM's" delusion you have ended up falsely accusing me as being "corrupt and perverted". "Really Qualified" you by following after "ADM's" delusion have also attributed my post to another. You are also following after the "spirit" of this forum in presuming that people (that you don't even know) that may be friends in the AOY are like "pedaphile priests" unable to give support.)
Since I do know either of you I can only assume that you have been swept up in all of this. But you can see now how strong the spirit of the accuser is here in how easy it was for you be brought into this. Please be careful. And please be more thoughtful upon what you hear or say.

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Date Posted: 00:00:04 03/27/09 Fri
Looked to me as if Jane was referring to the post of "It's Me" not to your post.(It is seen)

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Subject: Re: Report Assemblies of Yahweh Abuse


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Fact Check
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Date Posted: 10:02:08 01/29/09 Thu
Although you may not like the Assembly, lies are still lies. The accusations listed above about "illegal" actions by Assembly members are not factual. Check for yourself! Elder Meyer never would defend evil and you know it!

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[> [> Subject: Re: Report Assemblies of Yahweh Abuse


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SJ
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Date Posted: 23:40:51 02/06/09 Fri
Reality Check... Talk to people personaly affected by this first. And not just those recently. Some do have very good evidience.The only evil here is the acts snd lies of those committing a crimes. And NOT the Victims.

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Subject: Re: Nathaniel Meyer Disappeared!!!


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The Truth will set you free
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Date Posted: 15:41:07 03/16/09 Mon
What is the first thing you need to do for yourself when dealing with a problem? IT IS TO AMITT THAT YOU HAVE A PROBLEM or that there is a problem. How can you sleep at nite knowning that you have failed? You pushed people to the wayside and left they wondering, "IS THIS YAHWEH'S WAY". Didn't anyone from the AOY help this family (the wife and children). Any member at all?

I've worked with alot of different types of people. I can say that there are good people in this world for different faiths that would help others in a time of need. No questions asked.

What is the thing that will always be there to help and support you? YOUR FAITH AND YOUR FAMILY(birth family) they are there through thick or thin with you.

"YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW.."
"BEWARE OF THE WOLF IN SHEEPS CLOTHING......"
The Bible also says to "TRUST NO MAN..."

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Nathaniel Meyer Disappeared!!!


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EX_MEMBER
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Date Posted: 14:40:12 03/17/09 Tue
I wonder how they managed to keep this all covered up for so long? They must have had to use a lot of threats and intimidation to keep so many quiet over the years. I sure am glad they have been exposed for the hypocrits they really are.It seem that ADM has really struck a nerve with the "great parinoid one." He has really has gone ballistic... lost total controll... starting acussing everyone and everything! He has really revealed himself, for there is only one person that is as paranoid as him. YUP we have the self-exulted one! This is my opinion of the matter.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Nathaniel Meyer Disappeared!!!


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Date Posted: 11:09:59 03/18/09 Wed
Don't flatter yourselves. He wouldn't give you the time of day on this forum. It would be counter-productive and a colossal waste of his time.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Nathaniel Meyer Disappeared!!!


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Date Posted: 11:44:43 03/22/09 Sun
No one knows who you are talking about since you do not use a name, but it sound like this guy is too self-important, so he sends his "point man" or goon to do his dirty work for him?

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Subject: Re: How Long - 25 Years?


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Date Posted: 11:03:10 03/19/09 Thu
Has anyone here ever done any reasearch on the topic of "dysfunctional families"?

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Subject: Re: How long 25 years


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Distrubed
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Date Posted: 16:18:59 03/16/09 Mon
What in the same building the the members came to worship very Sabbath? JUST WRONG!!!!

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Subject: Re: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?


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Finally , Proof !
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Date Posted: 11:26:35 03/13/09 Fri
Good job Missouri! This post proves to all of those people that think this forum is mostly about disparaging an organization that it is not.
The compassion for victims really comes through here.
It is so clear that the focus here is not on bringing down the Assemblies of Yahweh but on the well being of others. Keep up the good work! I know that the victims have taken great comfort and support from this post.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?


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Finally proof?
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Date Posted: 09:02:34 03/16/09 Mon
I have been an active member of the AOY for many years and very close to the Meyer family. I've never seen, heard or sensed any of what you describe.
People leave the AOY because they choose to, are unable to handle being told they are wrong or are told to leave because they refuse to change their sinful ways.
Clearly, many posting to this site don't have any recent information about the AOY. The people you are naming are no longer members of the AOY, so what does the AOY have to do with them today? Nothing.
As long as we're naming names and pointing fingers on this forum perhaps you like me to name some and tell my stories about some who are no longer members. Would anyone be afraid to hear about their own lives? Who knows I might even be addressing some of those people right now.
I'm certain you'll delete this post, because you delete all posts that expose you for the people you really are.

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Subject: Re: How long 25 years


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Purpose?
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Date Posted: 06:37:06 03/13/09 Fri
"It's Me", I keep reading this and it must be that I don't quite understand. Did you bring
out publicly children #4-8 to facilitate support? I assume they must have given permission
to do so. (Otherwise that would be illegal and immoral.) You may want to re-do your post as it comes off as mostly bashing someone else. Since the children #4-8 gave you permission to bring
them out to the public they are probably looking for something more supportive.

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Subject: It's harassment...


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Ysrayel?
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Date Posted: 17:17:19 02/26/09 Thu
To search the Wisconsin Sex Offender Registry you have to agree to some conditions. Namely the following warning:

"It is not the intent of the Legislature that this information be used to injure, harass, or commit a criminal act against persons named in the registry, their families, or employers. Anyone who takes any criminal action against these registrants, including vandalism of property, verbal or written threats of harm or physical assault against these registrants, their families or employers is subject to criminal prosecution."

This whole forum looks like harassment to me.

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Abbey
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Date Posted: 22:47:07 03/01/09 Sun
I have not read one single threat on this forum regarding the vandalism of property, verbal or written threats of harm or physical assault against any one current or past member of the AOY. What I read are people venting. Which is one of the things a forum is for.

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Subject: bubley?


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No name
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Date Posted: 09:20:43 03/01/09 Sun
are you related to Robert Bubley from Canada?

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Subject: What kind of abuse?


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Just Wondering
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Date Posted: 08:54:02 02/23/09 Mon
So is this forum for spiritual or sexual abuse? Administrator can you enlighten us?

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: What kind of abuse


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questioning
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Date Posted: 19:47:15 02/23/09 Mon
Religion can use all kinds of abuse to hide behide. Isn't that how religious leaders and abusers can control and play with the minds of others. The one who does the abusing wants that feel of control, to be powerful to have others(weak ones) at their mercy. Religious leaders of cults/sects find out little details about you and use them against you. There are alot of people out there looking for something to fulfill that empty part of them or trying to find something to justify or condone their actions. Whether right or wrong.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: In regard


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Interested to know (disturbed)
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Date Posted: 13:40:02 02/24/09 Tue
They do use any means to get what they want. Look at what happened with "Heavens Gate" or at Waco,TX some years back. And it is very disturbing to see things like that happening in the world.

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Subject: All Bad?


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Qualified
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Date Posted: 08:13:53 01/27/09 Tue
I read accusations on this forum that are not referenced with fact and when “evidence” is provided it has nothing to do with the Assemblies of Yahweh today. My question is: How does this forum help and support people?

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[> Subject: Re: All Bad?


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Just wondering
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Date Posted: 10:56:33 02/01/09 Sun
It would be nice to know who's operating this forum. I think that would answer a lot of questions. For me, if someone makes an accusation they need to stand up and put their name on it, otherwise it instantly becomes invalid.
If you have issues why not follow Matthew 18:15? If someone does you wrong, confront them directly.
I don't see any sign of so-called "support" here.

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[> [> Subject: Re: All Bad?


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Me 2
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Date Posted: 05:49:14 02/02/09 Mon
I was wondering the same. It seems that the Assemblies of Yahweh is very forth coming in their history. In today’s world though, some feel the need to hide behind the anonymity of a keyboard as they formulate their attacks. So who is abusing whom?

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[> [> Subject: Re: All Bad?


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Abbey (Sickened)
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Date Posted: 23:33:37 02/06/09 Fri
It would not matter if you stood and faced them. They have had years of practice at lying. Plus, I'm sure they would find some way to pay a lawyer for some service to help them out of their mortial pickle. I look at it this way, they may go on in life thinking nothing is wrong with what they have all done. But when Yahweh asks them about their sins they will not be able to lie. for nothing is hidding from him. And then the wailing and the gnashing will begin....I'am sure you know what I mean........

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[> [> [> Subject: Please explain...


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Just wondering
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Date Posted: 11:50:41 02/23/09 Mon
Abbey,
Are you a victim? I need to ask because it appears this forum is not limited to victims. Reading through the posts it looks like there are a lot of people posting hearsay, outdated and inaccurate information, and quoting people who have been dead for a number of years (pretty low don't you think).
I guess if I were the subject of these accusations I would hire a lawyer, especially if the accusations were false or if information was being used as a tool of harassment. Along with the right to freedom of speech comes a responsibility to truth. As you say we will all be judged in the end.
But for now Abbey, remember there are two sides to everything. I'm just afraid someone has a hidden agenda here. It's just too mean spirited to be a legitimate support forum.

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[> Subject: reply to Nathaniel Meyer


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Judge
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Date Posted: 15:03:33 02/19/09 Thu
It seems strange to me that Nathaniel Meyer (number 8, etc), continually comes back in here to post after he posted this "I have decided I do not want anything to do with this forum. Thanks!" previously. Why don't you go away Nathaniel? I see that you didn't answer the questions posed to you by others in here.

This fourm is for the VICTIMS of abuse Nathaniel, not the Abusers!

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[> [> Subject: Abuse?


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Just Wondering (unclear)
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Date Posted: 08:49:05 02/23/09 Mon
Hi Judge,
Are you the administrator/facilitator of this forum? If not do you know which identity among the many here would be?
I am surprised the person who sponsors this forum would allow anyone and everyone to post in a big free for all. For a "support" group there is very little support here.
I think it's a little strange that the only real names and identities being used are those of the Meyers and current/past members of the AOY.
Many of the anonymous posts seem to be from the same person under a variety of aliases. There's a common strand among the threads that sports a specific style, that includes a little condescending arrogance, signature of that person.
I'd like to see the administrator of this forum post to explain the rules. Perhaps that person is carefully picking and choosing posts to suit his or her own agenda. If that is the case again I have to question credibility.
I would love nothing more than to identify myself, but I won't do so until there is some accountability among the users of this forum.

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Subject: How Long Is 25 Years


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Really-Really Qualified
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Date Posted: 09:06:16 02/20/09 Fri
Far as I can tell, Mike left the Assembly over 25 years ago, five years before he screwed up his life. How is that an Assembly problem?

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Subject: Re: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?


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HOY
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Date Posted: 19:16:10 12/03/08 Wed
I agree with you Don 100%

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: What ever happened to Elder Joseph G. Meyer?


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Abbey
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Date Posted: 23:51:08 02/06/09 Fri
Amen...

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Subject: My family was in the AOY in the 80s and early 90s.


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Date Posted: 21:10:13 12/28/08 Sun
Hello, my name is Ben Kaminski. Perhaps some of you here will remember me as a kid from many years ago.

I've suffered horribly from the years in the "Assemblies", along with my entire family. It is only in the last few years that I've been able to purge myself of some of the teachings I received at the hands of Mr. Meyer and his cronies.

If there is anyone out there who'd like to contact me, my address is procarpenter(at)gmail.com. I'd love to hear from you!

Ben

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Subject: Re: Jacob O. Meyer and his Assemblies of Yahweh


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Date Posted: 07:53:20 11/19/08 Wed
I have decided I do not want anything to do with this forum. Thanks!

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Subject: Re: Assemblies of Yahweh Has a Good Reputation


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Truth Seeker?
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Date Posted: 07:41:29 12/03/08 Wed
Your post makes it look like he has the judicial system of Berks County in his pocket. Is this guy that powerful?

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Subject: Assemblies of Yahweh Has a Good Reputation


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Michel
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Date Posted: 04:51:58 10/29/08 Wed
The organisation to whom the former comments above are addressed, is not the Assemblies of Yahweh. The link in fact, is to a completely different group: Incenst, abuse, hypocrisy? The Assemblies of Yahweh bear none of these characteristics. If they did, I'm sure one would have heard these things in the news. Elder Jacob O Meyer is a prominent member of the Bethel community (constable in fact), and it would be much appreciated, if those who are accsuing the Assemblies of Yahweh of these things, would reconsider their blighted, speculative, view.

The Assemblies of Yahweh has an excellent reputation, but they are strict when it comes to the law. Apparently, they want people to learn to be obedient to Yahwehs righteous laws.

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Subject: Re: :}Re: Assemblies of Yahweh Has a Good Reputation


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Date Posted: 18:25:41 11/28/08 Fri
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Subject: crazy


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Atheist
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Date Posted: 19:59:44 11/27/08 Thu
Wow, I knew about Joe Meyer cheating on his wife and running off; but I sure as hell didn't know how messed up AOY really was.

My parents were members from the early 80s to the late 90s and I was unfortunate enough to have to grown up in that environment (whats the deal with not running on the sabbath? like "Yahweh" really cares about something so trivial). It stinks that Jacob Meyer managed to pull the wool over so many peoples eyes (including my parents) and keep members from raising questions about the conduct and behavior of senior members. It's very disturbing indeed; I actually have bad dreams every now and again that somehow my family and I wind up back in the group *shudders*.

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