VoyForums
[ Show ]
Support VoyForums
[ Shrink ]
VoyForums Announcement: Programming and providing support for this service has been a labor of love since 1997. We are one of the few services online who values our users' privacy, and have never sold your information. We have even fought hard to defend your privacy in legal cases; however, we've done it with almost no financial support -- paying out of pocket to continue providing the service. Due to the issues imposed on us by advertisers, we also stopped hosting most ads on the forums many years ago. We hope you appreciate our efforts.

Show your support by donating any amount. (Note: We are still technically a for-profit company, so your contribution is not tax-deductible.) PayPal Acct: Feedback:

Donate to VoyForums (PayPal):

Thursday, October 17, 10:12:50pmLogin ] [ Main index ] [ Post a new message ] [ Search | Check update time | Archives: 12345678[9]10 ]
Subject: You're not playing fairly, you intellectual behemoth!


Author:
Primordial
[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]
Date Posted: 02/22/02 8:12pm
In reply to: Damoclese 's message, "I hope I won't be graded" on 02/21/02 10:17pm

>>
>>Question 1. Are you a reasonably thinking person who
>>exists inside the box?
>
>I don't think this is quite a good question. Being too
>far outside the box wouldn't let you live within it.

Foul. Everyone lives inside the box. Or I request clarification....are you implying that the mutation is so "out there" in thought, that they can't function in the box?


>If (logic) is the inside of the box, therein you must
>reside for pragmatic reasons while on earth.

Foul. "Thought" exists inside the box...thinking does not imply "logic". Dictionary's are used for defining terms, not concepts; thus, they are allowed in this experiment (although ontological debate is hoped to be avoided).....and logic is not mentioned when defining "think"ing.

However,
>it is possible to be too devoted to logic, because if
>the world were always as easy logic, the conclusions
>would always naturally follow.

I could foul you on the syntax error, but I think I catch your drift. I agree with the latter half of your statement. What about this "too devoted to logic" idea. Devoted? Correct choice of words?

So, my answer to the
>question is that I am both and neither. Too far one
>way you are delusional, too far another and you are
>short sighted.

Foul. Fence sitter! I argue against delusional. Albert Einstein was not delusional and if he was....he still contributed thought that was outside the box and advanced the progress existing inside the box. I assert you have applied a "scale" to thought that is unnecessary and not resonable to the advancement of thought inside the box.
Furthermore, would a short sighted, delusional male with the code name "Damoclese" be found inside the box contributing to a philosophical forum?
Furthermore, would a short sighted, delusional male with the code name "Damoclese" NOT be found inside the box contributing to a philosophical forum?


>> Shaw:(I'm paraphrasing)
>>'A reasonably thinking man expects to adapt to nature.
>>An unreasonably thinking man expects nature to adapt
>>to him. Thus, all progress is made by unreasonable
>>men.'
>>
>>Question 2. What application can be made using the
>>above quote to question 1?
>
>Reasonably thinking people are confined to the box of
>nature, unreasonably thinking men expect the box of
>nature to conform to their notions? Objectivity versus
>relativity? The applications could be wide and
>far-reaching.

The above comment is arguably poetry. However, and you knew it was coming, if for nothing else but arguments sake: Foul.

You offered up the terms delusional and short sighted earlier and failed to apply your logic here: now you offer up the idea that unreasonably thinking men who expect nature to form to their ideals are perceived as relativistic. The latter I agree with and may I say, a stunning application of knowledge here!; are these individuals delusional or short sighted or neither, considering the metaphoric box?

[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

Replies:
Subject Author Date
BoxingDamoclese02/22/02 8:47pm


Post a message:
This forum requires an account to post.
[ Create Account ]
[ Login ]

Forum timezone: GMT-6
VF Version: 3.00b, ConfDB:
Before posting please read our privacy policy.
VoyForums(tm) is a Free Service from Voyager Info-Systems.
Copyright © 1998-2019 Voyager Info-Systems. All Rights Reserved.