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Subject: Well Don.

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PAUL

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Date Posted: 06/23/03 9:14pm
In reply to: Don 's message, "I wonder Paul?" on 06/21/03 10:19pm

>PAUL-Just another sign of the sinking morality
>of the world we live in but apart from that let them
>get on with it,its not doing me no
>harm personally.
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>I wonder Paul? Hasn�t all this gay stuff been around
>since old times in human history?

So has murder but it doesnt make it right in Gods eyes.

>Then there is the perversion of priest and other
>religious members---it seems to go across
>all lines of the religious community.

Yes well thats another nail in the priesthoods
coffin-
And it does not go across into the Kingdom halls of Jehovahs witnesses Don.

It seems to me
>that parents---regardless of faith or no
>faith have the responsibility to raise kids properly
>teaching them of human sexuality as
>not taboo but rather with restraint and self respect
>using such personal feelings for your
>greatest enjoyment and satisfaction commonly known as
>romantic love-- one man to one
>woman-- then have it. What is the big deal any ways?

Thats not a judgement for me to make,Im only expressing Gods views on it.

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>>No you never run PAUL.....
>
>No retreat,no surrender and no compromise Don remember.
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>Yeah I have been saying the same for a long time. I
>like that �No retreat, no surrender and
>no compromise�......That is why I can not accept a
>god. Years ago that is all did to myself
>---compromise my intellect and common sense to
>maintain a Christian god belief. I could
>not do it PAUL my conscience bothered me to much and I
>was in constant mental pain
>and I rather maintain intellectual honesty--- I can
>not live with your god but I can live
>myself and to myself be true and honest the best I
>can.

Yes well I put God first in all things and my intellectual honesty is about accepting the truth exactly as it is and not how I want it to be-The truth is never a matter of convenience.

Don�t lie to yourself to make other
>happy even a god and in this there is No retreat.

Whos lying Don? Sorry Don your only saying that cos your convinced Im obeying a God who doesnt exist and if he didnt you would be right.
He does though and my life is in his service.
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>>I have been fine. DJ�s got way off the point so I
>>lost interest. Then I posted around and
>>de-converted a few thousand Christians. Then I proved
>>that evolution was a fact---as it
>>is-- to a few more thousand JW�s---so all and all I
>>have been a busy boy.
>>
>So all youve been doing is sleeping and dreaming then
>Don-Welcome back to reality.
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>Actually I know of No one that I de-converted but I
>have scored point on evolution. I
>have always said that evolution does not prove or dis
>prove a god no more than gravity
>does. It is just solid science PAUL. It is no threat
>to you--- evolution never says where life
>comes from---makes NO statements as such.
>Much like you.

Great Don and if there was evidence for it then I would give it a lot of consideration.
But there isnt.

You have a precept that you count as
>fact---the bible is the word of god.
>Then your entire life is based on that.
>
>Well evolution has a precept(s) also---life on earth
>exist--a simple given fact. In the big
>picture science has a larger precept---the universe
>exist a given fact--- It makes no
>mention of a god. So what is the problem why would
>science threaten you that you should
>not study it to see what is out there in the universe?

I would need a lot more than empty supposition
Don-And that is what evolution is at best.

>Are natural laws a treat to the
>bible---Well yes there are no miracles that can be
>shown. You do not hold that against me
>do you Paul? Will the bible god cast me into hell
>because I can not show miracles to
>exist?

No-But there is much more to it than that Don.

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>>And your self You staying out of trouble? Ar

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Can you cut the post down Don?	PAUL	06/23/03 9:23pm