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Date Posted: 11/17/15 10:08:01am Tue
Author: Critic
Subject: Re: Here's a dozen
In reply to: 'gate80 's message, "Here's a dozen" on 11/16/15 10:48:03pm Mon

>> And, for
>>gate80, just what quality FCS teams might you suggest
>>that Colgate play.
>
>James Madison - nearly always highly ranked, 20,000 a
>game, beautiful setting in the Shenandoah, not any
>harder to get to than Georgetown or Navy (straight
>shot down I-81)
>
>William & Mary - historic town and setting, top-10
>team, academic equal
>
>Penn - good team, prestige, historic venue, Philly
>metro alums
>
>Harvard - ditto, Boston metro alums
>
>Montana - nearly 24,000/game (I can count on one hand
>the number of Colgate games in the last 30 years where
>that many attended), perennial playoff participant,
>great experience for the team
>
>Montana State - if Montana won't do it, program nearly
>as good which draws 17,000/game
>
>ND State - cream of FCS recently, 18-19,000/game,
>domed stadium
>
>Villanova - usually strong program, Philly metro alums
>
>Delaware - 15-16,000/game; game last year a good one
>
>Coastal Carolina - great road trip for team and fans,
>we won there before, now top FCS program
>
>E Wash - perentially strong program, 10,000/game
>
>Citadel - ranked, 10,000/game, Charleston great road
>trip, been there before
>
>Any of these schools we should be happy to schedule
>away games with.
>
>>And, do you really think having 8
>>or 9 away games a year would really fit with Colgate's
>>academic demands? Colgate doesn't have any easy time
>>with the ivies.
>
>So, Colgate's academic demands and AI mean we can't
>have a couple more away games a year, yet we can no
>longer compete with the Ivies? Isn't there a
>contradiction in there somewhere? Dunlap and Biddle
>won 75-80% of games with Ivies. We are over .500 in
>Ivy games in our history (which include years where
>Ivies were the strongest teams nationally, as were we
>for a while). Yet now entering the scholarship era we
>question whether we can compete with them?
>
>>I guess you would prefer to see them
>>lose 8 games a year.
>
>In the Dunlap era we usually played 3 home games and
>sometimes 4. Only one year did we lose 8 games. There
>were 3 years were we had 3 home games and WON 8 games.
>
>>The 80's have past and you
>>should stop dwelling in the past.
>
>Are the 1980s really something we can no longer aspire
>to? Winning a large majority of PL games? (Didn't we
>this year?) A large majority of Ivy games? (80% in the
>Biddle era) Be a national contender in FCS (like in
>2003?) Schedule stretch games like Army and Syracuse
>and play respectably? (Don't we have these teams on
>the schedule the next few years.)
>
>Gate Raider you are my friend. I'd love more games if
>we could get 5,000 actual people in the stands. I
>could literally count the number of people in the
>Dunlap stands last week if I froze the picture, for a
>freaking championship game! There are more people in
>the first few rows at some of the schools mentioned
>above than there were in the Dunlap stands last week!
>Yes it's great we got Furman and Richmond for home and
>homes, but if attendance is like last week they won't
>continue. Now beat a James Madison or FBS team, get
>highly ranked, be a playoff contender, and then
>there's a chance you may see a good crowd at Kerr.

I still don't understand why our attendance is not better. Where are football fans on a Saturday? Utica College? SUNY Moville? SU? Heck, we win more than SU does. If we could get just a few thousand of the perennially disgruntled SU fans into our stands...........

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[> [> [> Re: Here's a dozen -- pigskin, 11/17/15 10:13:20am Tue

>> And, for
>>gate80, just what quality FCS teams might you suggest
>>that Colgate play.
>
>James Madison - nearly always highly ranked, 20,000 a
>game, beautiful setting in the Shenandoah, not any
>harder to get to than Georgetown or Navy (straight
>shot down I-81)
>
>William & Mary - historic town and setting, top-10
>team, academic equal
>
>Penn - good team, prestige, historic venue, Philly
>metro alums
>
>Harvard - ditto, Boston metro alums
>
>Montana - nearly 24,000/game (I can count on one hand
>the number of Colgate games in the last 30 years where
>that many attended), perennial playoff participant,
>great experience for the team
>
>Montana State - if Montana won't do it, program nearly
>as good which draws 17,000/game
>
>ND State - cream of FCS recently, 18-19,000/game,
>domed stadium
>
>Villanova - usually strong program, Philly metro alums
>
>Delaware - 15-16,000/game; game last year a good one
>
>Coastal Carolina - great road trip for team and fans,
>we won there before, now top FCS program
>
>E Wash - perentially strong program, 10,000/game
>
>Citadel - ranked, 10,000/game, Charleston great road
>trip, been there before
>
>Any of these schools we should be happy to schedule
>away games with.
>
>>And, do you really think having 8
>>or 9 away games a year would really fit with Colgate's
>>academic demands? Colgate doesn't have any easy time
>>with the ivies.
>
>So, Colgate's academic demands and AI mean we can't
>have a couple more away games a year, yet we can no
>longer compete with the Ivies? Isn't there a
>contradiction in there somewhere? Dunlap and Biddle
>won 75-80% of games with Ivies. We are over .500 in
>Ivy games in our history (which include years where
>Ivies were the strongest teams nationally, as were we
>for a while). Yet now entering the scholarship era we
>question whether we can compete with them?
>
>>I guess you would prefer to see them
>>lose 8 games a year.
>
>In the Dunlap era we usually played 3 home games and
>sometimes 4. Only one year did we lose 8 games. There
>were 3 years were we had 3 home games and WON 8 games.
>
>>The 80's have past and you
>>should stop dwelling in the past.
>
>Are the 1980s really something we can no longer aspire
>to? Winning a large majority of PL games? (Didn't we
>this year?) A large majority of Ivy games? (80% in the
>Biddle era) Be a national contender in FCS (like in
>2003?) Schedule stretch games like Army and Syracuse
>and play respectably? (Don't we have these teams on
>the schedule the next few years.)
>
>Gate Raider you are my friend. I'd love more games if
>we could get 5,000 actual people in the stands. I
>could literally count the number of people in the
>Dunlap stands last week if I froze the picture, for a
>freaking championship game! There are more people in
>the first few rows at some of the schools mentioned
>above than there were in the Dunlap stands last week!
>Yes it's great we got Furman and Richmond for home and
>homes, but if attendance is like last week they won't
>continue. Now beat a James Madison or FBS team, get
>highly ranked, be a playoff contender, and then
>there's a chance you may see a good crowd at Kerr.

How much promotion for our home games is done in the Hamilton and other areas close to 'Gate? I have not seen any place where the games are talked up to the locals or kids in the schools. We do it for hockey. We have Friday night games where local kids are either admitted free or at a lower ticket price. Why can't football borrow a page from hockey - and other teams, such as major league baseball - and promote the games in all the media and possibly make discount ticket coupons available in the newspapers and local Pennysavers of Madison county to boost attendance and bring in people who might normally ignore Gate sports. Even though we might not make a fortune, we are putting fannies in the seats and selling stuff at the concession stands. On a beautiful fall day in Sept-Oct there is no better place to be than at a college football game. We have to sell that to the community more than we have been (if any).


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