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Date Posted: 11/15/15 12:46:16pm Sun
Author: gatefan
Subject: Playoff Game

Will Gate bid on the 1st round??
Sure would help to play at home in round 1!!!!
any lesson learned from NOT hosting Wagner?

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[> Re: Playoff Game -- Gate Raider, 11/15/15 5:11:02pm Sun

I have heard that if Colgate gets a chance for a home game, they will take it.


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[> Bracket -- gate, 11/15/15 7:03:59pm Sun

I don't see how a potential 7-4 record would be rewarded with a home playoff game. If any committee looks at our attendance from this past week's championship game, which was appalling, they would reward someone else.

These two brackets have Colgate at #3 Sam Houston (ugh) or possibly at Richmond, though there is much to be decided with one week to play.

http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/fcs-football/bracketology

http://www.fcs.football/cfb/story.asp?i=20151115121749698507704

Even Fordham at 9-2, having topped Army, could be on the road.


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[> [> Re: Bracket -- Unrepentant Micro Aggressor, 11/15/15 7:32:43pm Sun

It's not a "reward". It's a bidding process. The minimum guaranteed bid for the first round is $30k representing 75% of expected receipts. We'll be a lower slotted team (only the top 8 teams are "seeded"), but we could get a home game if we make a high enough bid. The NCAA will try to minimize travel costs, so we won't be playing Sam Houston State. Most likely W&M, Richmond or Villanova. The bids are due tomorrow. We don't know who our opponent will be, but if they didn't submit a bid or we outbid them, we'll get a home game. (See Colgate vs Wagner 2012.)


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[> [> [> Re: Bracket -- gatefan, 11/15/15 8:03:52pm Sun

thanks for the insight
based on that I would hope that gate has/will bid


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[> Re: Playoff Game -- Zappa, 11/16/15 8:21:59am Mon

>Will Gate bid on the 1st round??
>Sure would help to play at home in round 1!!!!
>any lesson learned from NOT hosting Wagner?

How and when will we know ?


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[> [> Re: Playoff Game -- bs, 11/16/15 9:21:22am Mon

playoff schedule announced sunday am on espnu.


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[> Re: Playoff Game -- gate88, 11/16/15 2:47:11pm Mon

I want one of two things:

1. Home game, or
2. Away at Montana. That would be something the guys would never forget. (I know it is unlikely.)


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[> [> Re: Playoff Game -- bs, 11/16/15 4:27:58pm Mon

>Possible home game if paired with Duquesne/St Francis or Dayton. Maybe have to travel to UNH...due to regionalization.


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[> Re: Playoff Game -- gate, 11/16/15 7:25:06pm Mon

Appreciate the analysis for bid/host. Playing another CAA team on the road in the first round? Seems that's always the Patriot League's road through the NCAA tournament and it often ends in slaughter. A winning bid by Colgate would be euphoric! First since...2003?!


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[> Re: Playoff Game -- Zappa, 11/17/15 8:46:22am Tue

>Will Gate bid on the 1st round??
>Sure would help to play at home in round 1!!!!
>any lesson learned from NOT hosting Wagner?

Sorry, I meant when would we know 1)When did we put the bid in and 2) how much $ of a bid ?

My understanding is that the bid has to be put in early this week and money is the determining factor.


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[> [> Re: Playoff Game -- Maven, 11/17/15 10:01:11am Tue

>>Will Gate bid on the 1st round??
>>Sure would help to play at home in round 1!!!!
>>any lesson learned from NOT hosting Wagner?
>
>Sorry, I meant when would we know 1)When did we put
>the bid in and 2) how much $ of a bid ?
>
>My understanding is that the bid has to be put in
>early this week and money is the determining factor.

Guess what? They ain't going to tell u and why should they!


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[> Re: Playoff Game -- Critic, 11/17/15 10:02:55am Tue

>Will Gate bid on the 1st round??
>Sure would help to play at home in round 1!!!!
>any lesson learned from NOT hosting Wagner?

Lessons can be learned from Wagner, but as Zappa noted, it is about.............money. Shocking, huh?


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[> Re: Playoff Game -- Zappa, 11/17/15 12:00:05pm Tue

>Will Gate bid on the 1st round??
>Sure would help to play at home in round 1!!!!
>any lesson learned from NOT hosting Wagner?

Did some homework, bids had to be in by yesterday Nov 16.


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[> Unfortunate truths -- 'gate80, 11/17/15 10:21:22pm Tue

I was waiting until we clinched the playoff spot before commenting on a prior thread concerning the playoffs, since I didn't want to jinx the Lehigh game. Posters think we will try to get a home game if in a position to do so, will try to outbid another school to steal a home game, think we have bid previously against UMass and W Ill, and so on. I hope they are right, but will believe it when I see it.

I consider it my duty to tell unfortunate truths, so that enough may care to try to change things. To wit:

1) Colgate has NEVER bid on a home playoff game, despite the fact that we have more resources than most playoff teams that habitually bid for a home game. In 2012 a home game was ours for the asking, yet we didn't bid and Wagner, a school with less than 10% the endowment Colgate has, was awarded the home game by default. The team had to play the first playoff game in decades they were clearly favored to win at a high school level dump in Staten Island, rather than have the comforts and convenience of staying on campus. Since our home playoff record is 3-0, and away is 1-9, we clearly lessened the chance that Dick Biddle and Gavin McCarney would move on and have the opportunity to gain some national attention on Eastern Washington's iconic red turf.

2) Colgate would not even pay the minimum guarantee to ensure a home game in 2003, when we had our first perfect season since 1932. Colgate did not even have to bid, just pay the guarantee, yet they wouldn't and alums had to scramble to come up with the money for the first 2 home games. Colgate wouldn't even pay the guarantee for a home SEMIFINAL game. We have the distinction of being the only seeded school in the 38-year history of FCS/I-AA to forfeit the right to any home game, let alone a semifinal, by refusing to pay the guarantee.

3) Colgate will rarely be in a position to be in the driver's seat to get a home game. Colgate has only been in this position twice in the PL era, and it is nothing short of a disgrace that we did not pay a relatively trivial guarantee/bid for a home game these 2 times. It took a 12-0 record with a decisive win over a FBS team to get the last seed in 2003. This may never happen again. I am now to believe that we will attempt to outbid an opponent this year, when we wouldn't pay a guarantee in 2003 or minimum bid in 2012??

This is not ancient history concerning deceased past administrators, but happened in the last 12 years. It is the best recent example of how our administration does not support our fb program. How I hope Vicki has changed their minds! I won't hold my breath.


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[> [> Re: Unfortunate truths -- gatefan, 11/18/15 7:10:03am Wed

>I was waiting until we clinched the playoff spot
>before commenting on a prior thread concerning the
>playoffs, since I didn't want to jinx the Lehigh game.
>Posters think we will try to get a home game if in a
>position to do so, will try to outbid another school
>to steal a home game, think we have bid previously
>against UMass and W Ill, and so on. I hope they are
>right, but will believe it when I see it.
>
>I consider it my duty to tell unfortunate truths, so
>that enough may care to try to change things. To wit:
>
>1) Colgate has NEVER bid on a home playoff game,
>despite the fact that we have more resources than most
>playoff teams that habitually bid for a home game. In
>2012 a home game was ours for the asking, yet we
>didn't bid and Wagner, a school with less than 10% the
>endowment Colgate has, was awarded the home game by
>default. The team had to play the first playoff game
>in decades they were clearly favored to win at a high
>school level dump in Staten Island, rather than have
>the comforts and convenience of staying on campus.
>Since our home playoff record is 3-0, and away is 1-9,
>we clearly lessened the chance that Dick Biddle and
>Gavin McCarney would move on and have the opportunity
>to gain some national attention on Eastern
>Washington's iconic red turf.
>
>2) Colgate would not even pay the minimum guarantee to
>ensure a home game in 2003, when we had our first
>perfect season since 1932. Colgate did not even have
>to bid, just pay the guarantee, yet they wouldn't and
>alums had to scramble to come up with the money for
>the first 2 home games. Colgate wouldn't even pay the
>guarantee for a home SEMIFINAL game. We have the
>distinction of being the only seeded school in the
>38-year history of FCS/I-AA to forfeit the right to
>any home game, let alone a semifinal, by refusing to
>pay the guarantee.
>
>3) Colgate will rarely be in a position to be in the
>driver's seat to get a home game. Colgate has only
>been in this position twice in the PL era, and it is
>nothing short of a disgrace that we did not pay a
>relatively trivial guarantee/bid for a home game these
>2 times. It took a 12-0 record with a decisive win
>over a FBS team to get the last seed in 2003. This may
>never happen again. I am now to believe that we will
>attempt to outbid an opponent this year, when we
>wouldn't pay a guarantee in 2003 or minimum bid in
>2012??
>
>This is not ancient history concerning deceased past
>administrators, but happened in the last 12 years. It
>is the best recent example of how our administration
>does not support our fb program. How I hope Vicki has
>changed their minds! I won't hold my breath.

1st, also being superstitious I appreciate you not jinxing the boys for the Lehigh game...it worked!!!
2nd, thanks for the insight on the sad recent history of Gate's position on NOT bidding for a game. Truly unfortunate!!


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[> Re: Playoff Game -- Zappa, 11/18/15 8:07:24am Wed

>Will Gate bid on the 1st round??
>Sure would help to play at home in round 1!!!!
>any lesson learned from NOT hosting Wagner?

There is rain on my parade this morning, but thank you for the truth. Better to be bummed this am then have false hopes all week !


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[> [> Re: Playoff Game -- pigskin, 11/18/15 9:53:59am Wed

>>Will Gate bid on the 1st round??
>>Sure would help to play at home in round 1!!!!
>>any lesson learned from NOT hosting Wagner?
>
>There is rain on my parade this morning, but thank you
>for the truth. Better to be bummed this am then have
>false hopes all week !\

It's in Vicki's hands. Knowing her, I have optimism that she will get the home game for us.


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[> Re: Playoff Game -- Zappa, 11/18/15 11:50:50am Wed

>Will Gate bid on the 1st round??
>Sure would help to play at home in round 1!!!!
>any lesson learned from NOT hosting Wagner?

If she does she will be my hero forever!!


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