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Date Posted: 11/ 2/15 9:11:52am Mon
Author: Gate'83
Subject: Re: Random thoughts from the Kerrdome(Fordham)
In reply to: jb'74 's message, "Random thoughts from the Kerrdome(Fordham)" on 11/ 1/15 10:33:29pm Sun

>Great day for football in upstate N.Y. Best crowd in
>ages(7,900). A "polite" crowd though, not as loud
>throughout the game as it could have been (a parents'
>weekend thing). Great to see the parents there, but
>overall student attendance is pitiful, but that is
>something of a northeastern (and increasingly
>national) norm. My frat brothers and spouses from our
>50 yd. line vantage point concurred that in our
>collective "Gate game experiences since 1970 we would
>be hard-pressed to remember a better executed first
>half, on both sides of the ball, than this effort
>against an obviously talented and heavily favored Ram
>opponent. The energy and collective vibe on the
>Colgate sideline was electric. On the field, the play
>selection and execution were dynamic. The D was
>swarming around all-world rb Edmonds, and even if we
>missed a tackle, two yards later two other defenders
>would make the stop. Our base rush setup was getting
>the job done consistently on their QB, who was in a
>"deer in the headlights" mode as a consequence. There
>could not have been a pass reception made anywhere in
>the country on any other gridiron that was more
>spectacular than John Meddaluna's TD catch (on a 4th
>and 7) for our first score. Jake Melville, from his
>game opening 44 yard scamper and later key TD dives,
>showed that he continues to grow as a force to be
>reckoned with. Perhaps most significantly, we moved
>off the prior "M.O" for possessing the ball with less
>than a minute to go in the first half and actually
>aggressively pushed for points. Aided again by an
>incredible Maddaluna catch, we cashed in for 3 points
>(our ultimate victory factor). That late first half
>field goal, coupled with our block on a Fordham fg and
>their one missed ex-pt., showed how every opportunity
>made or missed looms large. As stated earlier, one
>hell of a first half for the Red Raiders. But this
>team still has to learn to play, with a vengeance, for
>60 minutes. As in the Yale and New Hampshire losses,
>and inexplicably in the Cornell and G-Town wins, we
>show a total lack of a killer instinct. We have great
>talent, great kids, and solid coaches. But please, in
>the next three games, PEDAL TO THE METAL ALL THE WAY.
>I loved seeing our team, at the 57 minute mark,
>relishing their productive collective efforts with
>dances, assorted high fives and chest bumps, but as
>Yogi said, "It ain't over until..."

Believe Zap is right, clock stops on a change of possession regardless whether it was a run or pass. I might have run anyway since we were doing so quite effectively & even if we didn't make the 1st down we could have helped field position by advancing a few yards. FG would have been over 40 yards with a kicker who hasn't been very successful this year, plus does the opponent get the ball at the spot of the kick? I know that's the rule in the pros, not sure about college. If so, the FG option looks less attractive.

Agree we didn't play the onsides kick aggressively enough. Was able to chat w/ coach after the game, he knows they need to close the games out much better.

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[> [> A response to gatefan -- The Future, 11/ 2/15 9:48:50am Mon

gatefan,
I know you aren’t a fan of Hunt’s but it’s pretty amazing how you could cherry pick a few plays to rip his coaching ability and then be so wrong about pretty much all of them.

1. The squib kick to end the half? Colgate’s kick off coverage might have been the best it’s ever been in this game. Fordham started on their own 18, 27, 20, 35, 25, and 25 after kickoffs. Has Colgate’s kick coverage ever been better? (The one where they started at the 35 was the kickoff out of bounds) The coverage was great. Why would you change what was working?

2. Kick a 43 yard field goal and the game is over? Maybe. What are the odds of converting vs. the odds of picking up a 4th and 6? The FG unit has looked a lot better over the past few games but I don’t think they have attempted a FG over 40 this season. The unit is 4-10 on field goals. (I do think they have straightened out a lot of the problems and will be rock solid from here on out!) If Colgate does pick up the first down here, with 3 minutes left, they can really run clock though I'm not sure if it is game over either way (based on what Fordham did in the past 23 seconds). Hunt not trying to kick a field goal longer than the team has attempted when the unit is converting 40% of its field goals? Not sure if this is the Hunt can't coach hill you want to die on, but let’s call this one a wash.

3. Run the ball and take time off of the clock? The clock stops on change of possession. How much more time would a run taken than a pass? Let’s say it’s five seconds. Fordham got the ball with 3:06 after this play. So you want Colgate to run the ball on 4th and 6 so that Fordham would get the ball back with 3:01 left on the clock instead of 3:06? Do you think Colgate had a better chance to convert with a run or a pass here? That’s the coaching decision. Five seconds of clock time with three minutes left in the game is meaningless. Probably not the play you want to call out Hunt on for his lack of coaching ability.

4. Defending the onside middle. That kid made a perfect kick. The onside middle is probably the worst onside kick to do in this situation—when the return team knows it is coming. It is a great surprise kick when the defender drops quickly and there is a hole to put the ball into. The onside middle worked here—which makes it a good coaching decision, but I would have really questioned it if it hadn’t--as much as any play in the game. Also, I’d love to look at the tape but I think there is a pretty good chance Fordham’s entire kick off team was offsides with the way the kicker stutter stepped before kicking the ball. Don’t know if I’m right, but the whole play looked a little wonky. As far as the hands team not practicing against the kick, I have no idea if that is true but it seems pretty unlikely based on how well the KO coverage team and return teams have played this year.


Colgate came out running plays Fordham had never seen. Colgate picked up 44 yards on a play Fordham wasn’t prepared to defense to start the game. That good coaching. The team was sky high all game (maybe the coach had something to do with that), running plays Fordham had never seen (maybe the coach had something to so with that,) and beating the #11 team in the country (maybe the coach had something to do with that). You can rip them when they blow it, but there was plenty to like about the coaching effort and acumen on Saturday. And if nothing else, if you are going to rip them, rip them for the right stuff.

Go 'gate!


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[> [> [> Re: A response to gatefan -- Maven, 11/ 2/15 10:24:47am Mon

>gatefan,
>I know you aren’t a fan of Hunt’s but it’s pretty
>amazing how you could cherry pick a few plays to rip
>his coaching ability and then be so wrong about pretty
>much all of them.
>
>1. The squib kick to end the half? Colgate’s kick off
>coverage might have been the best it’s ever been in
>this game. Fordham started on their own 18, 27, 20,
>35, 25, and 25 after kickoffs. Has Colgate’s kick
>coverage ever been better? (The one where they started
>at the 35 was the kickoff out of bounds) The coverage
>was great. Why would you change what was working?
>
>2. Kick a 43 yard field goal and the game is over?
>Maybe. What are the odds of converting vs. the odds of
>picking up a 4th and 6? The FG unit has looked a lot
>better over the past few games but I don’t think they
>have attempted a FG over 40 this season. The unit is
>4-10 on field goals. (I do think they have
>straightened out a lot of the problems and will be
>rock solid from here on out!) If Colgate does pick up
>the first down here, with 3 minutes left, they can
>really run clock though I'm not sure if it is game
>over either way (based on what Fordham did in the past
>23 seconds). Hunt not trying to kick a field goal
>longer than the team has attempted when the unit is
>converting 40% of its field goals? Not sure if this is
>the Hunt can't coach hill you want to die on, but
>let’s call this one a wash.
>
>3. Run the ball and take time off of the clock? The
>clock stops on change of possession. How much more
>time would a run taken than a pass? Let’s say it’s
>five seconds. Fordham got the ball with 3:06 after
>this play. So you want Colgate to run the ball on 4th
>and 6 so that Fordham would get the ball back with
>3:01 left on the clock instead of 3:06? Do you think
>Colgate had a better chance to convert with a run or a
>pass here? That’s the coaching decision. Five seconds
>of clock time with three minutes left in the game is
>meaningless. Probably not the play you want to call
>out Hunt on for his lack of coaching ability.
>
>4. Defending the onside middle. That kid made a
>perfect kick. The onside middle is probably the worst
>onside kick to do in this situation—when the return
>team knows it is coming. It is a great surprise kick
>when the defender drops quickly and there is a hole to
>put the ball into. The onside middle worked here—which
>makes it a good coaching decision, but I would have
>really questioned it if it hadn’t--as much as any play
>in the game. Also, I’d love to look at the tape but I
>think there is a pretty good chance Fordham’s entire
>kick off team was offsides with the way the kicker
>stutter stepped before kicking the ball. Don’t know if
>I’m right, but the whole play looked a little wonky.
>As far as the hands team not practicing against the
>kick, I have no idea if that is true but it seems
>pretty unlikely based on how well the KO coverage team
>and return teams have played this year.
>
>
>Colgate came out running plays Fordham had never seen.
>Colgate picked up 44 yards on a play Fordham wasn’t
>prepared to defense to start the game. That good
>coaching. The team was sky high all game (maybe the
>coach had something to do with that), running plays
>Fordham had never seen (maybe the coach had something
>to so with that,) and beating the #11 team in the
>country (maybe the coach had something to do with
>that). You can rip them when they blow it, but there
>was plenty to like about the coaching effort and
>acumen on Saturday. And if nothing else, if you are
>going to rip them, rip them for the right stuff.
>
>Go 'gate!

Great post Future. Gate fan is the champ of nitpicking AND he is way off base. My only comment on the onside kick is our guys should have charged the ball.

I am still on a high about how all facets of Gate football worked! Keep up that aggressive stance.


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