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[> [> [> Re: WBB: UConn at 'gate? -- bison137, 08/ 8/15 11:44:46am Sat

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>Why would UCONN make the long, dreary 5-hr trip to
>little Hamilton, NY at T'giving to play a game that
>will be a mismatch? It can't be about money, can it?
>Syracuse refuses to schedule them, so they settle on
>Colgate? Why not stay home and try to schedule a real
>Div-I opponent? Breanna Stewart's hometown is
>Syracuse, not Hamilton.

It certainly is not about money, since UConn has an average home attendance of over 10,000 at high ticket prices. Having another home game would obviously produce far more revenue for them. But since the whole objective is a homecoming game for Stewart, how would staying home help them? Hamilton is the nearest D1 school to Syracuse, other than Syracuse who is afraid to play them, plus he knows Nicci - so it was a natural.

UConn, btw, normally plays the toughest ooc schedule in the nation - so it certainly isn't that they are seeking out an easy win. Their 2015-16 ooc schedule currently includes four of the top seven teams in the country and seven who will likely be in the Top 25.

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[> [> [> [> Re: WBB: UConn at 'gate? -- The Future, 08/ 8/15 11:59:58am Sat

UCONN coming to Colgate is nothing but a good thing for Colgate women's basketball. If you play sports you want to take your shot at the best. Doing it in front of the biggest home crowd in your sport's history is a bonus. Colgate will play their hearts out. Odds are that the game won't end in Colgate's favor, but if you're an athlete all you want is the opportunity to shock the world. Once-in-a-lifetime is exactly that. Roll the dice. Take a big swing. Hit 20 3 pointers in a row. Why not? Or, turn off Hoosiers when it starts and say there is no way this little school in the middle of nowhere could win something so big.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: WBB: UConn at 'gate? -- bison137, 08/ 8/15 5:01:35pm Sat

>UCONN coming to Colgate is nothing but a good thing
>for Colgate women's basketball. If you play sports you
>want to take your shot at the best. Doing it in front
>of the biggest home crowd in your sport's history is a
>bonus. Colgate will play their hearts out. Odds are
>that the game won't end in Colgate's favor, but if
>you're an athlete all you want is the opportunity to
>shock the world. Once-in-a-lifetime is exactly that.
>Roll the dice. Take a big swing. Hit 20 3 pointers in
>a row. Why not? Or, turn off Hoosiers when it starts
>and say there is no way this little school in the
>middle of nowhere could win something so big.

Nothing wrong with optimism. But the team in Hoosiers had a MUCH MUCH MUCH better chance to win than Colgate will have. One problem is that making 20 3-pointers in a row vs UConn's defense is impossible since they will have big ultra-athletic guards stifling the 3-point attempts and blocking many of them if CU hits a few early. Another problem is that if Colgate hangs around for the first few minutes then UConn will go to a full-court press that CU will have major problems with. UConn is much bigger, much faster, and much more athletic.

Hopefully the kids will enjoy the experience, but their chance of winning is less than .0000001%. Likely margin will be about 65 since Geno won't press once they get a big lead.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: WBB: UConn at 'gate? -- The Future, 08/ 8/15 5:26:23pm Sat

You have the best team in college sports coming to Hamilton. There is no way Colgate can lose and I'm not talking about the score. If you play a sport, this is everything you want--the chance to match up against the best. To play against the team that wins the national championship, the WNBA MVP, the girl who makes the shot to win the gold medal at the Olympics. It's much bigger than what the final score is. It's about having an interesting life (as I post on a fan forum on a lovely Saturday afternoon...).

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: WBB: UConn at 'gate? -- bison137, 08/ 8/15 6:14:36pm Sat

>You have the best team in college sports coming to
>Hamilton. There is no way Colgate can lose and I'm not
>talking about the score. If you play a sport, this is
>everything you want--the chance to match up against
>the best. To play against the team that wins the
>national championship, the WNBA MVP, the girl who
>makes the shot to win the gold medal at the Olympics.
>It's much bigger than what the final score is. It's
>about having an interesting life (as I post on a fan
>forum on a lovely Saturday afternoon...).

Agree on all counts. Just don't think there is even a very remote chance of seeing the biggest upset in the history of sports. A loss by less than 60 points would be a win.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Totally agree, 137! -- Bigger picture, 08/ 8/15 6:29:55pm Sat

And, gate WBB needsall the systematic building/nurturing of its individual/collective self-esteem that it can get!

1. The media attention of UCONN WBB playing in sleepy Cotterell is potentially a good thing!

2. Celebrating Breanna's return to Central New York can be an honorable thing!

3. 'Gate WBB getting blown out not such a good thing for these girls!

4. I'd love to have the rights to the movie if Gate pulls the upset of the century. ....not going to happen...I don't think even Nicci is going to sell that trick to the Slater Bros or the Hamilton Theatre ! But, Future, why don't you line up the movie financing deal just in case!

>>You have the best team in college sports coming to
>>Hamilton. There is no way Colgate can lose and I'm not
>>talking about the score. If you play a sport, this is
>>everything you want--the chance to match up against
>>the best. To play against the team that wins the
>>national championship, the WNBA MVP, the girl who
>>makes the shot to win the gold medal at the Olympics.
>>It's much bigger than what the final score is. It's
>>about having an interesting life (as I post on a fan
>>forum on a lovely Saturday afternoon...).
>
>
>
>Agree on all counts. Just don't think there is even
>a very remote chance of seeing the biggest upset in
>the history of sports. A loss by less than 60 points
>would be a win.

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[> [> [> Re: WBB: UConn at 'gate? -- Steve, 08/ 9/15 9:43:31am Sun

Not everything that occurs in the Athletics Department will make sense to you and I am absolutely sure that the money angle you introduced here from a packed house is no explanation as to why Conn will play at Colgate. And for goodness sake, why would you imagine that anyone's head should be checked? Not very conducive to teambuilding - as far as the department's mission is concerned.

How 'bout asking the coach and/or her players if they think such a high caliber team coming to Cotterell will attract fans, a lot of excitement alongside opportunities for the players to show what they can do under such challenging circumstances, and impress applicants as a differentiator when they recruit? Oh, and you should know that Colgate played there last year and so I expect that a return visit is a given.

The team is now in New Zealand playing basketball and enjoying themselves. The men's team is off to Spain while men's ice hockey are headed to Italy. It's a credit to Vicky, her assistants and the coaches that they promote such exposure whenever they can, especially considering how worthy they (and these events) are for these dedicated and hard working individuals.

Yes, these are big occasions and they make sense. Win or lose in any of these games Colgate students will be the better off for the effort. So in my mind they win regardless.

Go 'gate!

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[> [> [> [> Re: WBB: UConn at 'gate? -- bison137, 08/ 9/15 9:58:09am Sun

Oh,
>and you should know that Colgate played there last
>year and so I expect that a return visit is a given.
>

The last time Colgate played at UConn was in 2012 - and there were no plans at that time for UConn to play a return game, which they only do for power-conference teams. The idea of a visit to Hamilton only came up last Fall after Syracuse refused. When you say "return visit", do you mean that you expect Colgate to play a return game at UConn next year?

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[> [> [> [> Re: WBB: UConn at 'gate? -- Layer One Fact Checker, 08/ 9/15 10:53:37am Sun

Steve, you keep writing that MHoc will be playing in Italy. No. They will be playing in Northern Ireland. They played in Italy several years ago.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: WBB: UConn at 'gate? -- Steve, 08/ 9/15 11:03:10am Sun

My mistake about the Conn game being a return game. It seems like only last year that I recall seeing the article about the game and the photo of the 2 presidents - brother and sister - and the coaches with tee shirts etc.

About Europe, the men's hockey team is heading to Italy soon for the experience, playing there as they did 4 years ago. They will also be in Belfast for a tournament in November.

Go 'gate!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: WBB: UConn at 'gate? -- 'gate80, 08/ 9/15 11:26:13am Sun

The men's bb team played Duke in Emmett Davis' last year, when Duke was defending national champ and had Kyrie Irving, Kyle Singler, and at least 3 others who played in the NBA. They lost by 52. I was there and it was a blast watching the Raiders cope (well) with the pressure from the Cameron crazies, and (not so well obviously) that from Irving and Singler. The Raiders played very respectively in the first half, hanging with the Blue Devils well into the game until the inevitable.

The team loved the experience of playing in Cameron. The wbb team playing UConn, at Cotterell for crying out loud, would be an analogous situation. I can't see how this can possibly be a bad thing.

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[> [> Re: WBB: UConn at 'gate? -- gate bb fan, 08/ 9/15 11:10:23am Sun

>This is great for Colgate women's BB.

This is horrible for Colgate women's BB.

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[> [> [> Re: WBB: UConn at 'gate? -- Critic, 08/ 9/15 11:38:02am Sun

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>>This is great for Colgate women's BB.
>
>This is horrible for Colgate women's BB.

Ok, nevertheless, UConn is at the 'gate this December. Duke women have scheduled perennial powerhouses Penn, Army, and Winthrop. Notre Dame women are risking their top 5 ranking playing Cornell. Just saying. Go 'gate!

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[> [> [> [> Re: WBB: UConn at 'gate? -- and one, 08/ 9/15 11:22:13pm Sun

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>>>This is great for Colgate women's BB.
>>
>>This is horrible for Colgate women's BB.
>
>Ok, nevertheless, UConn is at the 'gate this December.
>Duke women have scheduled perennial powerhouses Penn,
>Army, and Winthrop. Notre Dame women are risking their
>top 5 ranking playing Cornell. Just saying. Go 'gate!

Scheduling a game with no possibility to win goes against a winning mentality/philosophy, and please don't rationalize it as a great experience for the student athletes. That is just a cover up/excuse for saying we have no shot at winning. I guess it may be status quo for certain departments as they need to generate revenue, so I get that perspective. Just will never be on the side of the fence and be excited for exposure when a team gets beat by 40 on a national stage.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: WBB: UConn at 'gate? -- Steve, 08/10/15 1:16:16am Mon

I like the part of Cotterell Court being on the national stage. And like I said earlier... I'll ask the players and coaches afterwards what benefits they gained from playing the national champions. That should do it for me.

Go 'gate!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: WBB: UConn at 'gate? -- gate bb fan, 08/10/15 9:26:40am Mon

>I like the part of Cotterell Court being on the
>national stage. And like I said earlier... I'll ask
>the players and coaches afterwards what benefits they
>gained from playing the national champions. That
>should do it for me.
>
>Go 'gate!

My belief is that no team should enter a contest with no chance of winning (or even being competitive). If that's the case then it is obvious that the reason for the game is $$$, and this is a bad thing for the players.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Doing it for the money? -- The Lone Haranguer, 08/10/15 10:42:16am Mon

How much money are we talking about? It is Cotterell (seating capacity 1750) for cryin' out loud. The gross gate receipts won't even cover a full scholarship.

If you define success as only winning or or almost winning then the game isn't worth it. But success in these type games is measured at the team and individual player levels in addition to the benefits to the Colgate and Hamilton communities. A blowout is a given, but we always have our SAT scores and US News ranking to beat them up on.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Doing it for the money? -- Steve, 08/10/15 3:12:35pm Mon

Exactly!

...and when did this winners/losers business creep into our collective unconscious? Come on already! We are talking about Colgate students playing the 2014 top ranked DI college basketball team. We are not talking about professional sports and all that goes with its earnngs model.

Colgate supporters know better than that. It's about our students and their chance to play Conn and thereby challenge themselves. Ok?

Go 'gate!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Doing it for the money? -- Hoopie, 08/10/15 4:28:19pm Mon

>Exactly!
>
>...and when did this winners/losers business creep
>into our collective unconscious? Come on already! We
>are talking about Colgate students playing the 2014
>top ranked DI college basketball team. We are not
>talking about professional sports and all that goes
>with its earnngs model.
>
>Colgate supporters know better than that. It's about
>our students and their chance to play Conn and thereby
>challenge themselves. Ok?
>
Incredible. Such negativity before the entire schedule is even released. I certainly hope our women's hoops players are not reading some of these pessimistic, critical comments. They deserve better.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Doing it for the money? -- Steve, 08/11/15 7:20:20am Tue

Hoopie, I agree entirely on all counts.

Fortunately, the team is enjoying their visit to New Zealand now. Gocolgateraiders.com includes a story about their latest win. I checked out their opponent online and see they were 2014 national champions!

But win or lose any particular game, our teams are comprised of winning students and the value our coaches and administrators deliver is first class. That's the way I choose to see it.

Go 'gate!

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[> [> [> Re: WBB: Gonzaga at 'gate? -- and one, 08/16/15 12:17:45pm Sun

>>No mention that Gonzaga is also coming to Colgate on
>>December 13?
>
>The AD should be publicizing this upgrade in
>scheduling like crazy. I think it's great! Huskies and
>Zags coming to 'gate can't hurt regardless of the
>score.

Let's market ANOTHER game, that will no doubt be a blow out. Now that's a winner's mentality, most likely a by-product of never seeing any success.

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[> [> [> [> Re: WBB: Gonzaga at 'gate? -- Steve, 08/16/15 12:33:41pm Sun

>a by-product of never seeing any success.

What? And really?