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Date Posted: 13:11:20 02/23/03 Sun
Author: Stagman
Subject: TOT vs TOC
Let's go back about 20 years. The Stags had a coach named Terry O'Connor. TOC proved to be a pretty good recruiter (he brought in Tony George, Jeff Gromos, AJ Wynder, Ed Golden, Tim O'Toole, Pat Yerina). All very solid players. TOC was not able to do anything with them. His records were:
11-18
13-15
10-18
11-17
Not terribly different from TOT's results in his first four years.
TOC played a tough schedule too:
81-82: Virginia, UConn, Utah, Illinois St, BC, Princeton
82-83: UConn, Notre Dame, St Joes, BC, Navy (David Robinson)
83-84: St Joes, UConn, Navy
84-85: St Joes, UConn
Plus the MAAC was arguably in its heyday with the strongest Iona teams, Fordham, the best St Peters teams, and the introduction of the LaSalle program into the MAAC in 83-84.
TOC played and lost a lot of close games. In four years, his teams played 17 overtime games (losing 11).
His team's twice started the season 4-0, yet faded badly.
A lot of parallels with TOT if you ask me.
He left (was fired) and someone with coaching skills came in and guided the same players to the most wins in FU history (24-7 with Buonaguro in 85-86). Obviously, ultimately Mitch's downfall was his inability to recruit.
The bottom line is this. Fairfield needs someone who can recruit AND coach.
Barakat could coach and recruit ---> he won.
TOC could recruit but couldn't coach ---> he lost.
Buonaguro could coach but couldn't recruit ---> he lost.
Cormier was okay at both ---> mixed results.
TOT can recruit but coaching is suspect ---> mixed results.
As far as I am concerned, the clock is ticking on TOT. He should be thankful that Doris is in his corner. O'Connor didn't have an AD in his corner and he was gone after 4 years. Cormier didn't have an AD in his corner and he was gone despite some better results than TOT has had.
TOT had better begin showing that he can mold players into a cohesive unit. A team that doesn't keep making the same boneheaded mistakes game after game, year after year.
His teams have won some games because of superior depth and sometimes superior athletic skills, not because of superior coaching. Time for him and his assistants to learn their craft.
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well, also coaching at the mid-major level is a crap shoot -- Siena ARCatech, 14:44:05 02/23/03 Sun
you want a combination of good coaching philosophies and of course excellent recruiting ability.......but if you get someone with those credentials, they will win, and then they will leave pretty quickly to a higher level............so you are back to the drawing board........we know that first hand at Siena!!!!! Sometimes it boils down to luck, just hoping you hire the right person for the job and enjoy the success as it unfolds, if at all. Lots of hungry "big-time" assistants (like TOT was) who want jobs, but that hardly makes them qualified to be a head coach.........schools at the mid-major level seem to deem the formula for their programs is to select someone from that mold, hoping against hope that they have the right "stuff"........but again, no one knows for sure, it really is a crap shoot at best!!!!!!!
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Mitch was more than a bad recruiter -- Stagsfan, 16:50:11 02/23/03 Sun
Mitch was not just a bad recruiter, but could never change the Stags into an uptempo team, and was a notorious hothead. His boring, slowdown style began to backfire when teams started running and pressing a la Rick Pitino. His lame attempts to change the Stags into a run and gun, pressing team never panned out. He never got it.
He also had a horrible temper, and word is some parents of some of the players were so fed up with his verbal abuse, they complained to the AD. He was so hyper at games he passed out once against Holy Cross because he couldn't calm down.
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Your giving Cormier too much credit -- fu88, 18:02:17 02/23/03 Sun
the nit and ncaa were nice, but i remember a whole lot of 8 win seasons, empty seats, bad basketball, and player revolts. besides that, it was a great era in stag hoops.
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Re: Your giving Cormier too much credit -- Stag 92, 19:09:00 02/23/03 Sun
Cormier began in my senior year, alienated many, and in my opinion, was arrogant for no reason. He was one of the worst decisions in Fairfield history. A mediocre to losing Dartmouth program and we give him the job? NCAA year was a fluke (I know who was out all year but 8 wins really is bad) and the NIT was a good season. Everything else was horrible. Besides Bowman and Miller (who we never really got to see), who did he recruit?
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Re: Your giving Cormier too much credit -- Sobro, 19:26:43 02/23/03 Sun
Cormier was what he was but he brought in Darren Philip and Greg Francis as well. How would you like to have those two in the FF line-up now?
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Re: Your giving Cormier too much credit -- Stagman, 08:54:10 02/24/03 Mon
Cormier had two winning seasons. What ever Fairfield coach in the last 23 years can say the same?
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Re: Your giving Cormier too much credit -- Old-timer, 11:33:04 02/24/03 Mon
TOT is at best an average coach, but armed with a 15-10 record and second place in our conference he deserves and will get a new contract. How he does without Oscar and Delfico next year will interesting, but that's next year. More importantly is how will the Stags finish this season? With two easy wins on tap to end the year and then the relatively easy first round MAAC tourney game, the Stags should find themselves at 18-10. Then the fun begins the road to the post season national tourneys. TOT's season will be defined by their MAAC tourney results. In my opinion a win or close loss in the championship game, will define this year's team as a great success. An early loss, first round or even a semi-final loss, will define this season as one of under-achievement. Coming into this season the team was loaded with talent and size, the only real question marks were youth and coaching. Both will be under the microscope over the next few weeks. Youth matures with time, even with time some coaching never matures. Let's hope that's not the case here.
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Don't be counting St. Peters as an automatic. -- Rave, 14:14:07 02/24/03 Mon
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Re: Don't be counting St. Peters as an automatic. -- Running Man, 18:35:25 02/24/03 Mon
Don't count Loyola as an automatic either lest we forget a few years back when last place Loyola eliminated us in the first round of the tourney.
On paper these two upcoming games are W's, veritable nobrainers. In reality they could prove otherwise. Don't be counting those chickens before...
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Re: Don't be counting St. Peters as an automatic. -- Stagman, 19:29:25 02/24/03 Mon
St Peters might be 9-16 overall, but they are 6-5 at home. And they have beaten Manhattan. Definitely not a gimme.
Oh and by the way, Loyola lost by fewer to national champ Maryland than we did against Duke.
Given what is at stake, we should wallop both of these teams....but we probably won't.
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