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[> [> [> Re: not necessarily -- Emmaleigh, 21:41:51 02/16/03 Sun

Don't worry so much...as Siena showed last year the only thing that matters is winning the in Trenton...just keep playing good strong basketball, and let Gonzo self destruct. He now, according to rumors on the Manhattan board, has the added stress of having to win good so he looks good for Pitt.

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[> [> [> [> Iona and Fairfield wins vs Manhatten bad for the Maac -- JCM, 21:57:05 02/16/03 Sun

The only sure thing at this point is the Maac will not be getting an at large birth this year. If Manhatten had continued there run and lost in the Maac tournament with a project RPI in the high 40's they would have gotten consideration for an at large birth. Now, the only way manhatten gets in is by winning the tournament. Fairfield never had a chance for an at large, since even if they sweep there projected RPI cannot break 60. I would have liked to see Fairfield win the tournament and Manhatten get an at large bid. Best we can hope for now is a few NIT Bids for the Maac. I personally feel Manhatten and Fairfield are both locks for the NIT if they can win the remainder of their games and reach the Maac finals.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Iona and Fairfield wins vs Manhatten bad for the Manhattan and their fans -- TOM DEWEY (or Gary as some call me), 09:39:01 02/17/03 Mon

The two losses prove that Manhattan doen't deserve an at large bid. What did you want the Gaels and Stags to do, lie down and play dead for the overrated Gonzo who will once again prove that he knows how to burn out his team.

Oh, incidentally, one correction. If the Stags and Manhattan reach the MAAC finals, one of them will be going to the NCAA not the NIT but don't count on one and done Manhattan being there.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Iona and Fairfield wins vs Manhatten bad for the Manhattan and their fans -- Emmaleigh, 11:04:14 02/17/03 Mon

Go Stags!!!!!!!!

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[> [> [> I agree -- JCM, 21:51:13 02/16/03 Sun

The only way to guarantee a first seed is for Manhatten to lose another game and for Fairfield to sweep the remainder. The tiebreaker scenario looks like it could get very complicated and convulated, as its seems possible, even probable that if they are no more upsets, Fairfield and Manhatten will finish with the same record and Iona and Niagara will finish with the same record. If that does happen, the loss Iona had the other day to Rider could be very meaningful as Niagara and Iona would be tied in the tiebreaker categories against all teams down the list until you reach rider. Theorically if Niagara sweep Rider and Iona split, Niagara finishes third and Manhatten first. If Iona could finish third Fairfield finishes first and Manhatten second. Lets hope it doesn't come down to the tiebreaker scenario.

Nigara finishes with Siena, Fairfield, Rider and Marist, the last three of which are home games. All four games are winnable for Niagara, considering they already beat Fairfield on the road. They did however lose the first game to Siena at home. Iona finishes with 3 very winnable games, St. Peters, Loyola, Marist and one very difficult game, Manhatten on the road. Iona faces 3 road games to Niagra's one. I have to give the edge to Niagara and Manhatten right now, but anything, including Siena finishing third could still happen. If Siena somehow manages to come in third, stags end up second.

In the race for first Manhatten has only three games remaining, at loyola, at Siena and home versus Iona. All winnable games, but Iona and Siena could be tough. Fairfield faces Rider at home and then three away games versus, Niagara, Loyola and St. Peters. One Gimme, two tough but winnable games and one game at Niagara where we would be the underdog. The next few weeks will be interesting.

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[> [> [> [> I believe the tie-breakers work like this -- mb, 14:38:20 02/17/03 Mon

If Manhattan and Fairfield are tied for 1st and Niagar and Iona are tied for 3rd, then the MC-FF tie is broken first. The MAAC would look at FF's and MC's combined record versus Iona and Niagara. If that is tied, then they would go to record vs. 5th place team (Siena??).

So I think the situation about Rider that you mention above would not affect anything. If MC and FF are both 3-1 vs. Iona and Niagara combined, then MC would get 1st based on being 2-0 vs. Siena (if MC beats Siena next week). Then Iona would get 3rd based on a better record than Niagara against Manhattan, who had just won the 1st seed.

That's my understanding of the tie-breaking procedure. Anyone else???

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