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Subject: NIL, Portal, & Conference Anomie Author: NUSuperfan [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: Monday, March 18, 01:58:37am Author Host/IP: fl-67-233-140-154.dhcp.embarqhsd.net/67.233.140.154 My opinion re: the NIL will not be a popular one; but here goes. Any college aged basketball player who wants to get paid should apply to the pro leagues of North America or overseas. Any kid who wants to play college basketball should NOT be paid. They receive room and board, a full scholarship, and have the opportunity to apply for a job at their respective college OR in the area where the college is located. If a kid is paid to play basketball, he or she, is no longer an amateur. He or she is a professional. Professional players have no business playing college athletics. It's either one or the other. If one is paid to participate in college sports, you no longer are an amateur; and that defeats the ideology and philosophy behind post-secondary athletics if one is a purist. As far as the portal is concerned, it is the ruination of college sports; especially, when a kid gives up his or her scholarship and is not offered another one upon exiting the original, and entering the portal. Many kids have been adversely affected by their decisions ,in that, they have lost the opportunity for a free education. The portal has created chaos instead of stability. On the plus side, it is not associated with turning an amateur into a professional, like the NIL does, ie., there appears to be on the surface no payment before or after entering the portal. Why should alumni or fans have to "pay" these kids in order to attract or keep them as students ? It is totally antithetical to the spirit of amateurism which has been associated with college athletics from the very beginning. In conclusion: NIL & the Portal = the downfall and ruination of college sports, both in spirit and practicality. Add to that, the ever changing scope of conference affiliations, and you have total chaos. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: NIL, Portal, & Conference Anomie Author: Eagle [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, March 18, 07:16:26am Author Host/IP: 067-248-227-222.res.spectrum.com/67.248.227.222 "Any college aged basketball player who wants to get paid should apply to the pro leagues of North America or overseas." Great idea and very simple which means it will never be adopted. Great idea, Supe! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: NIL, Portal, & Conference Anomie Author: Maldez [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, March 18, 07:26:43am Author Host/IP: 024-059-042-147.res.spectrum.com/24.59.42.147 I can't disagree with any of your assertions, Soup...the ruination of college athletics, indeed! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: NIL, Portal, & Conference Anomie Author: RCM [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, March 18, 09:24:59am Author Host/IP: 045-046-140-085.res.spectrum.com/45.46.140.85 These are all good points. I think the best way to do it (not sure if you legally can) 1. Put NIL money into escrow and you get it upon graduation. 2. You can not get NIL money after you transfer a SECOND TIME. I was watching the Big Ten tournament champ game yesterday. Every single player it seemed had transferred three times already. Complete insanity. My guess is this will all blow up spectacularly and lead to a total reset in all of this. The current model is broken. As has been said here for many years-even before NIL- the likely outcome of college sports will be a league of POWER 5 schools and then a league of everyone else. This would likely be better for both sides of the coin. What is stopping the mid major schools and below from just breaking from the NCAA? It has been shown to have no real power anyway over the last three to four years? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: NIL, Portal, & Conference Anomie Author: Maldez [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, March 18, 12:34:39pm Author Host/IP: 024-059-042-147.res.spectrum.com/24.59.42.147 I don't think this will all blowup and reset....the genii's out of the bottle. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: NIL, Portal, & Conference Anomie Author: RCM [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, March 18, 09:31:34am Author Host/IP: 045-046-140-085.res.spectrum.com/45.46.140.85 This is the best point I have seen in all these discussions...And a point that is very troubling for mid major schools. Most smaller schools do not have tons of resources to draw from. If schools are approaching donors to in essense subsidize an athletes tenure on a team, a tenure that could be just a year, will that donor also support capitol campaigns? For many schools the only they can get students to come is having those students (and their parents) take out life altering loans. Would it not be best for these schools to subsidize actual students? Especially when the money paid to the athletes likely won't even move the needle towards a top 25 ranking or an NCAA championship? Big Ten, SEC, ACC, Big 12, etc. schools are massive. The donor pool is extensive. I am thinking of that shot every other year of the South Bend airport when USC is town. A couple hundred private jets... Sadly guys, nothing will change. The eventual terminus of this all is total ruin and a fundamental reset. Kind of like running a War Game simulation. Once everything is destroyed the game and scenarios reset. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: NIL, Portal, & Conference Anomie Author: Purp 1 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, March 18, 11:04:23am Author Host/IP: 074-070-140-050.res.spectrum.com/74.70.140.50 Why not pay every athlete the SAME amount of money with the NCAA putting up a percentage and the university the other? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Power 5 takes over the NCAA's Author: Purp 1 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, March 18, 11:08:58am Author Host/IP: 074-070-140-050.res.spectrum.com/74.70.140.50 Conference winner now loses out on NIT bids. My source says the dismantling is well underway. All about $$$$ with no illusions. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: My Solution Author: NUSuperfan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, March 18, 12:43:13pm Author Host/IP: fl-67-233-140-154.dhcp.embarqhsd.net/67.233.140.154 1. Get Rid of the NIL: The kids will still continue to play college basketball & football. 2. Get Rid of the Portal: The coaches and their staffs should join in unity to fight against the NCAA in all manner and cause to right the ship, and end the Portal. 3. Conference Alignment: All NCAA Div. 1 programs should sign a legally binding document of allegiance to a particular conference, league, or association for a minimum period of 25 years to restore stability re: the athletic climate. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: My Solution Author: Hnk373431 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, March 18, 02:15:19pm Author Host/IP: 098-013-096-149.res.spectrum.com/98.13.96.149 You do realize that the NCAA fought against NIL and lost in court right? Eligibility after a 2nd transfer? Fighting that as well but under a temporary injunction to allow unlimited transfers and the thought is that the NCAA is likely to lose that in court as well. Don’t act as though NIL and immediate eligibility is something the NCAA wants, it is something the courts mandated. Saw that students at Coastal Carolina are paying over $3000 of their tuition to subsidize athletics (which presumably includes paying toward others tuition). At some point people will call that out. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: My Solution Author: Maldez [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, March 18, 04:09:42pm Author Host/IP: 024-059-042-147.res.spectrum.com/24.59.42.147 Love your proposed solutions to the current fiasco, Soup, but the chances of any of those happening are nil (pun intended). [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: NIL, Portal, & Conference Anomie Author: RCM [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, March 18, 01:23:08pm Author Host/IP: 045-046-140-085.res.spectrum.com/45.46.140.85 agree with all! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: NIL, Portal, & Conference Anomie Author: Terfra1 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, March 18, 02:04:16pm Author Host/IP: 75-33-248-46.lightspeed.brhmal.sbcglobal.net/75.33.248.46 The “old rules” on NCAA participation and compensation were draconian. Kid’s couldn’t get enough food, and were punished for some of the most ridiculous things. They couldn’t even get summer jobs. I welcomed the NIL rules because I thought it ridiculous that people could use a player’s name and likeness to generate money but they couldn’t. I thought a sensible system would be set up where every starter on a team would be designated and get $x dollars and every reserve would get “$y dollars and that special cases would be made to pay star athletes some type of bonus on top of that. I never dreamed it would be an unregulated “Wild West” scenario of poaching kids and bribing them with money. We went from silly to inane immediately. It makes no sense to propose new regulations as the cat is out of the bag. I do wish they would reduce the portal window time and at least have some transparency in the NIL process but I am not holding my breadth. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: NIL, Portal, & Conference Anomie Author: RCM [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Thursday, March 21, 02:13:57pm Author Host/IP: 045-046-140-085.res.spectrum.com/45.46.140.85 Was watching the MSU v Mississippi State The announcers mentioned "If Miss. State can get their NIL numbers up they can be a contender" I literally laughed out loud. Why even have mid majors? If Mississippi State needs to improve their NIL why even have a MAAC or any other similar league. There is no point. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: It's NOT Just Mississippi State Author: NUSuperfan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Thursday, March 21, 02:42:26pm Author Host/IP: fl-67-233-140-154.dhcp.embarqhsd.net/67.233.140.154 The majority of kids want to go to the top programs , period. Miss. State is a high major program, and they can't even get the better players off the portal. Even if you play in a Power 5 Conference, you may not get the better players. The kids today want to go to Duke, UNC, Michigan State, Kentucky, Kansas, and a few others. Izzo hates the Portal, and tries to avoid it like the plague. Can you imagine if Izzo really hit the Portal. MSU would be much better than it is right now. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: It's NOT Just Mississippi State Author: RCM [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Thursday, March 21, 03:29:47pm Author Host/IP: 045-046-140-085.res.spectrum.com/45.46.140.85 Yes. I understand that. My point is..If an SEC school is having trouble competing in paying kids why do lesser schools (the vast majority of them) even try. What are we even doing here? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: It's NOT Just Mississippi State Author: Subway Subs [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Friday, March 22, 07:39:07am Author Host/IP: 045-046-140-085.res.spectrum.com/45.46.140.85 There is talk on the other board about donors needed to cover a dinner to celebrate two teams doing very well this season. I hope the players get their recognition on a job well done. But it seems very sad that Niagara can't cover a dinner for two teams. What are we doing? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: It's NOT Just Mississippi State Author: Purp 1 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Friday, March 22, 10:43:41am Author Host/IP: 074-070-140-050.res.spectrum.com/74.70.140.50 They look for outside donors to cover things such as dinners because they are outside the scope of the Purple/White Fund. Years ago when some of the Apostles were on the Booster Club, we covered the costs for both basketball teams, the coaches, the priests, ans anyone else they gave us on the list to feed, and we put on a twice yearly dinner in support of the teams. Basically we would be able to get 50-60 to buy dinner tickets and that covered the rest of the freebies. We barely broke even if we did at all, bit it was a local labor of love for the basketball teams. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Is There Still A Booster Club At NU ? Author: NUSuperfan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Friday, March 22, 12:27:56pm Author Host/IP: fl-67-233-140-154.dhcp.embarqhsd.net/67.233.140.154 ?????? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Is There Still A Booster Club At NU ? Author: Purp 1 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Friday, March 22, 03:45:34pm Author Host/IP: 074-070-140-050.res.spectrum.com/74.70.140.50 No, they basically did away with it because they wanted to control where all the money came from and where it went. Not that it was being spent illegally, but when they saw that for instance, back in the day when other basketball coaches had the use of cell phones while NU did not, the Boosters supplied the funding for the phones so the coaches didn't have to look for pay phones on recruiting trips. We were not allowed to support the teams independently. We also used to feed BOTH teams food after the games. I mean the visiting team as well by providing pizza and soft drinks either in a Booster room that we had available to us or in the individual teams locker rooms if requested. They put the kabash on little niceties like that so now they collect all the money and decide what to do with it themselves. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Is There Still A Booster Club At NU ? Author: RCM [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Friday, March 22, 05:07:29pm Author Host/IP: 045-046-140-085.res.spectrum.com/45.46.140.85 Purp- that sounds super cool. Was not aware of that. Seems like a thing they should have kept. Were you able to interact with the teams and coaches (both home and away) when they ate? You probably were involved in the hey day? The bigger question is...why does a D1 sports school need $2000 in "donations" to get a meal to a team? This seems pretty insane. There isn't just a check that can be written to a local restaurant? This was my point in my NIL post. Schools need money to pay kids to play for their school, likely for a year, but dont have money to get a meal for two teams to celebrate a great season? Crazy. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]