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Date Posted: 11:52:01 04/27/01 Fri
Author: likesmoke
Subject: Re: who's this jd? ;-)
In reply to: bp 's message, "Re: jd, ya theah?" on 06:21:06 04/27/01 Fri

>i'm here. i'll post under bp for now.

might be better u
pick something else.
>anyway, here's a little background.
>
>the ring forum:
>
>http://freeconservatives.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.
>cgi?ubb=forum&f=1
>
>is run by a lady named raven2020, not by bill. raven
>is your fairly typical soccermom gone internet type of
>gal. she's always very polite, very conservative,
>smart, somewhat racist, somewhat naive, slightly
>narrow in view with a fuzzy focus. i tend to like her
>a lot. i've engaged her from time to time just to get
>the feel of her without being too caustic. Pzero has
>engaged her rather roughly (as Pzero is prone to do)
>and raven maintained a calm attitude and always
>responded reasonable, if not rationally.
>
>bill's set of forums
>
>http://pub10.ezboard.com/bthegoodthebadandtheugly49488.
>html
>
>are very well better established. raven happens to be
>a moderator on one of his boards and they have known
>each other a long time. raven plays favorites but she
>also plays fair. i doubt she would ban someone from
>her board just because they one-upped a friend but you
>can't be too sure.
>
>anyway, as jd pointed out, bill *is* entrenched but he
>is also trapped. he has a pretty impressive forum
>where he has to post and maintain. he has a huge
>reputation and an ego to match. if memory serves, he
>also does some folksy style literary work for a couple
>of mags and newsletters (though i don't know the
>circulation size).

Perhaps that over-blown ego is what we should focus on to start. How to exploit it? Any ideas?

>anyway, for the reasons i pointed out, he cannot run
>from a debate, at least not on his boards. he only
>has three options;
>
>1) debate his opponent
>
>2) sic his friends (of which he has many) on his
>opponent.
>
>3) ban his opponent’s ip and/or handle.
>
>i can deal with number one alone but alone i'd never
>get anywhere except in the very long term.

OK, forget debate for our purposes here. Like you point out, that's covered. How to shame or break the beast is what we need to focus on. Again, any ideas?

>i can deal with number two by ignoring them but this
>is not always a good tactic since they too are people
>worth influencing. i can deal with number three
>currently a total of 12 times, as that is the number
>of IP proxies i have available. after that, i'd have
>to drum up some new ones and i really hate using them
>up anyway.

I don't see ignoring them as a negative. If you're getting responses, your influence is getting thru. Also, they most likely are of the "cheerleader" type so they have an interest in watching "their" team compete.

As for the ip thingy, if our plan is worth its salt, that will not come into play. We "neutral" can bring much to bear on that front methinks.

>so, that's the lay of the land.

First, I think we study and stalk our prey. Come up w/ canned responses that overwhelmingly trump his canned responses and demonizations. Can you identify any of his most frequently used trite put down? He seems to use them as a shield or armor. We need to nullify the effectiveness of that protective device.

>questions, comments?

You know him best, what do you think his other vulnerabilities might be? What pushes his buttons?

Once we determine those, then we design an innocent looking, but very lethal trap for his ass.

Also, you need to try and change gears from rational/logical to vicious ridicule at will. Belittle him ruthlessly when he uses his little trite labels for anyone who disagrees w/ him. We "neutrals" can repeat your observations by quoting them in responses we make re: fairplay etc. This will let him know he's less than 100% approval. Which will almost certainly irritate the hell outa him.

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