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Date Posted: 01:38:05 01/29/00 Sat
Author: �Matt�
Subject: Re: So much talk about God......
In reply to: saint stephen 's message, "Re: So much talk about God......" on 22:59:10 01/28/00 Fri

> This is not an attack, it is a statement of how I
> observed you conducting yourself.

It may not have been an attack, but it still was an accusation.

> You state that
> experince is experince, and if you have not had it,
> then you are not.

No, I did not say that. I said that whatsoever you experience, you cannot be. The very meaning of experience is to create and cross a "bridge" to that which you are not. I gave the example of the taste of an apple: You can experience the taste of an apple, but you cannot become it.
This is actually a fact. Even if you experience love, then that means you are not love. If you are love, you cannot experience love, because you are love. How can you experience yourself? If you are you, then you are you; there is no experience to it. Any experience of yourself will come from the outside, not from the inside, because inside is already who we are.

>I state that experince is and is
> not supposed to be precieved universally the same.

That is irrelevant to anything worth while. You may interpret the taste of an apple differently from I, but the fact remains for a fact that no matter what we percieve it to be, it'll always be the taste of an apple.

> In the past you have said there is only one truth, and
> this is a very limiting conclusion...

No, you did not understand. I said that the definition of truth is that which is eternal, never changing and non objective. That is what the word truth means. If your truth can change, as it has indicated by your stories to me, then it cannot be truth. Sure, it was there, but saying that a changing thing is truth is a total contradiction, because truth cannot change; how can it? You tell me how truth can change. I tell you no truth; I only say the definition of truth. If you do not agree, then you are really creating a new meaning to the word "truth" to secure your beliefs.

> I say all truths
> are reflections of a greater truth, and are not
> precieved the same way for a damned good reason.

That's just something you say to keep yourself feeling warm inside. Where is the logic, reasoning, proof? Surely you are not making an emotional decision here, because there is nothing more waffilng than emotions. I agree that everything is only a reflection of the truth, but the reflections are perverted by a dirty mirror caslled the mind; the very mind that causes different perceptions of truth. To you, truth is relative because you said it is percieved differently. This means that you still desire truth to conform to your being. Instead, shouldn't truth be subjective and everyone's being should be conformed to it? You speak of perception, I speak of actually attaining truth. If you attain a perception of truth, a reflection, then you will remain empty.

Example: If you see my reflction in the mirror, can you grab that reflection? Sure, it is the reflection of my body, but is the reflection really my body? If the perception (reflection) of truth is what you are holding onto, then you are holding nothing more than an illusion, because all reflections are illusions. The reflections is all you got! If you lose the mirror, then you will not be able to continue, to be secure. At least these reflections of truth you can imagine being attached to; even imagination can create illusion of security!

> enough said, I am sorry if I insulted you, but this is
> was not my underlying intention. If you want direct
> quotes, I can scour all my reserve data from previous
> interaction with you, I am sure I have something...but
> I do not see the point in such a frivolous endevour
> for a myriad of reasons. Sorry if you mistook what I
> was trying to say, I have grown to realize that I some
> times come off as condensending or acusational when I
> am not intending to be, I just try to cut to the chase.

fair enough.... for now =)

> -ss

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Re: So much talk about God...... -- saint stephen, 20:02:46 01/29/00 Sat
- Re: So much talk about God...... -- Matt, 06:10:14 02/01/00 Tue