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Date Posted: 15:19:41 12/16/02 Mon
Author: Matthew Burns
Subject: Re: 2004 GTO
In reply to:
Tom DiStasio
's message, "2004 GTO" on 13:26:08 08/20/02 Tue
who gives a big fat flying fuck?
i mean really?!
1)arent they calling this the monaro instead of the GTO? they were thinking about that, but decided not to.
2)while it would be nice to bring back origonal pontiac equipment, it aint gonna happen. how many of you drive a 3rd or 4th genb firebird? yeah it would be great. but pontiac is gone, forever all it is is a nameplate anyhow.
so why don't we stop acting like were all 5 years old and get along.
now can we get back to picking on imports?
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Re: 2004 GTO -- American Muscle, 10:56:34 01/22/03 Wed
Most of you are missing the point. The new GTO styling looks a tad plain for the simple reason that it takes quite a bit of time to certify any changes in styling such as hood scoops, duel exhaust etc... Pontiac wanted to get this car out for the 2004 model year to commemorate the 40th anniversary of the GTO. The 2005 car will include far more of what you all had "hoped" for, mark my words.
As far as excitement? 340hp LS1, T56 6 speed, RWD in a car that is quite a bit lighter than the Corvette and 15 grand cheaper... I’m excited. The only car manufactured today that even comes close at the same price range is the SVT Cobra Mustang. Ford is not stifled by the (“Nothing is allowed to compete with the Corvette”) mindset that GM instituted way back in 1967 when tri- power was no longer allowed on any car other than the Corvette. Believe me, this Holden has a GTX version in AU that is producing over 400hp! When SLP or the like get their hands on it we will see what this GTO’s potential is. Lets not forget, most first generation GTO owners took their new GTO to speed shops like Royal Pontiac and had them tuned up. I see no reason why that will not be the case 40 years later. So slow down with the knee jerk reactions and get ready for the ride of your life.
In a final note calling the GTO an “import” is a tad of a stretch! Sure its made in AU, But Holden is a division of GM and in a sad testament of the truth, they have a far better quality control program that any US auto maker. As a result we may actually see a better manufactured vehicle from this GM division. If this program is a success, the car will eventually be moved over to US plants. Tooling up for a new model takes years. Like I said before, Pontiac wanted to get this car out for the 2004 model year to commemorate the 40th anniversary of the GTO.
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Re: 2004 GTO -- Jon, 23:07:51 08/21/03 Thu
No, we can't stop picking on imports. Keep your damn "Fast and the Furious" rice crunching, glorified erector-set spoiler wearing, ground effects and neon lights sporting, need a supercharger to produce any signifigant power, "monkey-shitting-in-a-barrel" sounding, bazooka muffler dragging on the ground hunks of crap. Anything you can do to an import to enhance performance,, you can do to a REAL performance car even better.
The GTO is an American icon,,, larger than just an automobile. It represents an era when "American" could be said with pride and still meant high quality. The scoops and spoilers you speak of were FUNCTIONAL! The car looked the way it did because it enhanced performance in that fashion. Function came first. The beauty of the car was achieved through functionality. Yes, it was originally a play of a mid-sized car that was spiced up,, but it WAS the first muscle car. It set the standard for what all other muscle cars were compared to, and will always represent power and elegance in a fine American automobile.
To fashion the GTO in another country based of another country's car design GM or not goes against what the GTO stands for. Sure the Monaro is a great car. If GM wants a great car to base the GTO off of, they should make one. The spicing up of a less 'exciting' design may have been how the GTO was born, but, immediatly after the first couple years (when it was just a performance package), AND FROM THEN ON, the GTO defined the GTO, as it should today.
If GM couldn't make another American Icon car on their own, that wasn't just a bunch of non-functional scoops and spoilers, then they shouldn't have resurrected the GTO name. I'd buy one, I'm sure its a great car,, but its NOT a GTO.
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Re: 2004 GTO -- mario, 13:10:41 04/21/05 Thu
i own an 04 yellow gto m6, its the best car that i have ever driven. i'm also into fixin up import cars, our car club has many different import cars in it and i have driven most of them. after i got my goat, i forgot all about the import world, now, 16,000+ miles later , its very hard for me to get out of this gto. and there arent too many cars on the road that can beat my car. If you have some bad things to say about the 04 05 GTO, i would reccomend that you buy one , if you can afford it, and then finally comment on the goat.
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