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Date Posted: 23:33:52 09/11/02 Wed
Author: Êðîò
Subject: Re: Ñåðåäçåìíîìîðö³
In reply to: Ìàêñèì 's message, "Òóðêè â³äð³çíÿþòüñÿ ãàïëîãðóïîþ hg9" on 10:02:00 09/11/02 Wed

===ßêùî ïîð³âíþâàòè çà 9-þ ãðóïîþ, òî öå ùîñü áåäó¿íñüêî-êóðäñüêå. À â òóðê³â 33%. (Óêðà¿íö³ - 0%. Òóðåöüê³ ÷îëîâ³êè íå çàëèøàëèñÿ â åòíîñ³? Ƴíêè âáèâàëè íåìîâëÿò ÷îëîâ³÷î¿ ñòàò³?  ðîñ³ÿí - 4%. Ñë³ä âëèâàííÿ äî åë³òè òþðêñüêîãî åëåìåíòó?)===

Òþðêè íå çîâñ³ì Àðìåíî¿äè, ÿê çðåøòîþ ³ íå Äèíàðö³, ³ íå Ñåðåäçåìíîìîðö³.

ͳ÷îãî äèâíîãî, â Ðîñ³¿ «òóðê³â» á³ëüøå. Âçÿòè õî÷ áè ϳâí³÷íèé Êàâêàç, õî÷à â³í íå çîâñ³ì àðìåíî¿äíèé, à íà ϳâíî÷³ çîâñ³ì ìîíãîëî¿äíèé, âñåæ òàêå º. ² â³í ñêëàäຠ15% íàñåëåííÿ Ðîñ³¿. Äåÿê³ àíòðîïîëîãè äî ðå÷³ ââàæàþòü Êàâêàç çà áàòüê³âùèíó Àðìåíî¿äíî¿ ðàñè.

===hg21 ïîÿñíèòè âàæ÷å. ϳñëÿ ãåáðå¿â-àøêåíàç³ òà ñåôàðä³â ñïàäàþòü íà äóìêó õîçàðè, àëå íàéá³ëüøà ãðóïà - öå ÿê³ñü ï³âí³÷í³ àôðèêàíö³. Íàâ³òü íå óÿâëÿþ, õòî öå ìîæå áóòè. Ìàìëþêè, ô³í³ê³éñüê³ êîëîí³ñòè (Êàðòàãåíà), ÷è àðàáè? À ìîæå, êëàñè÷í³ ãðåêè-åëë³íè????====

Íàñïðàâä³ í³÷îãî âàæêîãî. Öå Ñåðåäçåìíîìîðñüêèé ñóáñòðàò. ßêùî äîêëàäíî, òî Ñõ³äíî-Ñåðåäçìåíîìîðñüêèé. Àëå Ñõ³äíî- é ϳâäåííî-Ñåðåäçåìíîìîðñüê³ òèïè íàéá³ëüø ñïîð³äíåíè, ¿õ ÷àñòî îá’ºäíóþòü â îäèí, ò.ç. Àíòëàíòî-Ñåðåäçåìíîìîðñüêèé. Óêðà¿íñüê³ ³ Ðîñ³éñüê³ (âèÿâëÿºòüñÿ á³ëüøå í³æ â Óêðà¿í³ – 7) Ñåðåäçåìíîìîðö³ áëèæ÷å äî ϳâí³÷íî-Àôðèêàíö³â ³ ñó÷àñíèõ ²íäî-³ðàíö³â, í³æ äî Çàõ³äíî-Ñåðåäçåìíîìîðö³â (²ñïàíö³, Ïîðòóãàëüö³). Õî÷à ÿ íå ðàõóþ ϳâäåííî-çàõ³äí³ òåðåíè ÐÔ çà ðîñ³éñüê³.

Ó íàñ, öå ïîáåðåææÿ ×îðíîãî ìîðÿ, õî÷à â Ðîñ³¿ «éäå» çíà÷íî ãëèáøå íà ϳâí³÷.

Òàê, òàì é Ãðåö³ÿ!

===The members of Haplogroup 1 (HG1) are thought to be the descendants of the Paleolithic hunter-gatherers who arrived in Europe before the last Ice Age about 40,000 years ago (Aurignacian culture). That pattern is most common in Western Europe, but is also found in all other parts of Europe. The members of HG2 are believed to be the descendants of two later waves of humans into Europe. The last of these waves arrived about 8,000 years ago and is credited with introducing agriculture into Europe. HG2 is most common in Southern and Central Europe and that haplogroup is often seen in those of Anglo-Saxon and Scandinavian descent. The haplogroup HG3 is seen more frequently on the eastern side of Europe (9% of the population of Turkey is HG3). But HG3 is also common in Scandinavia, and is said by some to be indicative of "Viking blood" when seen in paternal lines originating in the British Isles. HG3 is thought to have originated in the Ukraine during the last Ice Age about 15,000 years ago.===

Ñóïåðìåíè-â³êèíãè, ïåâíî ïðèéøëè íà ϳâí³÷ ªâðîïè â ï³çíüîìó Íåîë³ò³ é ïðèíåñëè òóäè ñ³ëüñêå ãîñïîäàðñòâî, îñòàííÿ õâèëÿ.


===Òî õòî æ òîä³ ñóïåðìåí-â³ê³í´, îäîìåñòèêóâà÷ êîíÿ òà âèíàõ³äíèê ð³ëüíèöòâà? ã´2 ÷è ã´3? :)) ====

Íó ÿêùî âèêëþ÷íî ñóïåðìåíè-â³ê³íãè, òî ãã2 çäàºòüñÿ. Ñóäèòè òðåáà çà Øâåäàìè. :)


===² õòî òîä³ ïîëÿíè?===
×åðíÿõîâñüêó êóëüòóðó ïðåçåíòóâàëè Ãîòè, Ñàðìàòè é Ñê³òè. Ïîëÿíè ïåâíî íàéá³ëüø ñïîð³äíåíè ç îñòàíí³ìè. Òî á³ø ñêîð³øå ïåðâ³ñí³ ²íäî-³ðàíö³, ÿê áëèçüêè äî íèõ áóëè é Ñëîâ’ÿíè. Õî÷à ÷èòàâ é ïðî “ãîòè÷íèé” âàð³àíò.

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