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Date Posted: 09:52:07 11/13/03 Thu
Author: Mo
Author Host/IP: 169.152.251.99
Subject: Drew Goddard should shorten his name to Drew God.
In reply to: Kuzibah 's message, "Angel 5/7 *SPOILERS*" on 09:25:40 11/13/03 Thu

In this episode alone, he's managed to give Fred, Wes, Spike, Angel, and Lorne their best-ever lines, in my opinion. He also knows how to create a tense atmosphere, such as the opening bit, where Bruiser from "Ocean's Eleven" mysteriously gets impaled and the cyborg ninja attacks. Plus he managed to make "cyborg ninjas" not seem a ridiculous concept.

I loved this episode. At first, when they revealed Roger to be a cyborg ninja, I was a little disappointed, but the following sequence, with Wes dealing with all of what you described above, made me actually like it more than if he HAD killed his father.

I loved Spike saying, "I shout that sometimes...when it gets dark."

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[> This is now my favorite episode of the show, along with "The Somnambulist." -- wwolfe, 10:25:08 11/13/03 Thu (161.149.63.107)

I thought it was absolutely terrific from start to finish, with the sole caveat of the Wes/Fred/Dipshit triangle, which you have described perfectly. I'll add only, regarding Knox, that guys who are acutely aware of their own adorability are insufferable. I have a rapidly growing desire to see something large and heavy squash this character into a gooey pink paste. (If Fred happened to be inadvertently standing next to him when this happened, I'd somehow learn to soldier on.)

Joss remains perhaps the only TV creator who can convey a profound sense of tragedy. This episode and its depiction of Wesley's relationship with his father, was one of the best examples of that ability.

After the Ultimate Jump the Shark Moment that was Cordy's Shaft o' Light, and after the 22-episode train wreck that was Season Four, I'm amazed how good this show has been this year.

Which, oddly enough, leaves me a little pissed at Joss: for years, I said he should concentrate on "Buffy," because the quality of that show clearly declined when he was distracted by other responsibilities. Now that he no longer has anything but "Angel" to work on, the quality of the show has skyrocketed. When I think how much better the last four years of "Buffy" would have been, had he spent the same time and care on it that he can now spend on "Angel," it's very frustrating.


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[> [> Wordy McWord to that first paragraph -- Kuzibah, 09:34:13 11/14/03 Fri (12.175.117.195)

And I will say, that although they still seem to have abandoned the recovering-addict metaphor, I am prefering this version of Angel, who actually seems to care about his friends, to the asshole of the last two years.


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