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Subject: Post 325 B: Adam De Charleton, Welsh Royal Bloodline


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Date Posted: 18:05:35 05/05/13 Sun
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Post 325 B: Adam De Charleton, Welsh Royal Bloodline

On Post 323 A:, it was shown in Burke's book, 'THE GENERAL ARMORY' of heraldic arms and dignities that "ADAM DE CHARLETON, lord of the manor of Charleton, in Tyndale, co Northumberland, A.D. 1303," bore the Arms of, "Or, a lion ramp. gu." This of course means 'Or, a lion rampant, gules.'

The term 'Or' is the color gold. It's usually represented by the color yellow. A lion rampant is a lion when standing erect with head in profile, one fore paw raised above the other and one hind paw raised from the ground. The term used to represent the color Red is the word Gules. Thus one has a red lion standing erect on one back paw upon a yellow (gold) shield.

Consequently these are the same arms as those borne by John Charleton, 1st Baron Cherleton.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Charleton_1st_Baron_Cherleton

On the wiki page it describes the arms as, "Traditional Coat of Arms of the de la Pole and de Charleton families. Or, a lion Gules armed and langed Azure."
Wikipedia fails to mention the position of the lion, which is rampant.

"Armed and langed Azure" just means the lion's claws (armed) and tongue (langed) are blue (Azure). It's a minor difference and one that might have been added at a later date.

But what this evidence indicates is that Adam De Charleton was the son of John Charleton, 1st Baron Cherleton of Powis (Powys) Wenwynwyn (1268-1353).

These were originally the Arms of the Welsh House of Mathrafal, a cadet branch of the Royal House of Dinefwr.
These Arms were achieved by Baron John Charleton by his marriage to Hawise Gadarn (the Hardy) on July 26 1309, daughter of Owain ap Gwenwynwyn, who had changed his name to Owen de la Pole. Owen was the last Welsh Prince of Powys Wenwynwyn. He was Prince until 1283 when it, the title, was abolished by an act of the Parliament of Shrewsbury.

As was stated earlier Burke's book gives Adam De Charleton's date as 1303. The marriage of John Charleton to Hawise is given as 1309. Thus either the date of Adam's birth is wrong or, Hawise bore John Charleton a son some six years before their marriage, which is possible. One would have expected Adam's birth to have been in 1310 or later. If Adam had been born to another woman before his father's marriage to Hawise he, Adam, would have had no right to bare the Arms of the House of Mathrafal.

John Charleton, 1st Baron Cherleton was succeeded by his son John Charleton, 2nd Baron Cherleton. This would seem to indicate Adam De Charleton was a second son. Unless Adam was marginalized due to the circumstance of his birth. In no other country but England are illegitimate children treated with such distain. The nobility, and in particularly the Royalty, treat the most innocent with such great dishonor, all while failing to take responsibility for their own actions. They instead chose to heap the responsibility for their own sins and crimes upon the head of the newborn child. As if it were a scapegoat.

John Charleton, 2nd Baron Cherleton was given the lordship of Powis. While his apparently elder brother Adam was given a lesser possession at Hesleyside, Northumberland.

The Charleton family of Hesleyside became Border Reivers. These were raiders along the English-Scottish border. This was an area of great lawlessness where people lived by their sword and their wits. They had to be constantly ready to do battle. They lived in this state of readiness from the late 13th century to the beginning of the 17th century.

A descendant of the Charleton's in the line of John Charleton, 2nd Baron Cherleton sold the estate of Powis and the title to a member of the Herbert family in the fifteen hundreds (1500's). The Crown of England and English law claims today that at title of nobility may not be sold. So which is it? It must be either one way or the other.

I am connected to this as a descendant. Colonel Edmund Scarborough (1617-1671) married Mary Ann or Ann Carleton, daughter of Captain Edward Charleton.

Thus: I hereby claim or reclaim the title of the Baron of Powis (Powys) for the Charleton Family, and or the Baronetcy of Hesleyside, Northumberland.

More on the Border Reivers can be found on Post 324 A:.

End Post 325 B: www.voy.com/40560/, teltalheart is Michael D. Barnes of Scottsboro, Alabama.

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