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Subject: Post 143 A: Proof of God? 2 of a series. Idiots at the gate.


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Date Posted: 15:58:30 10/01/04 Fri
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Post 143A: 2 of a series.

The existance of God can not be proven or disproven. Therefore, all religious institutions are "castles in the air" without foundation.
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A man sitting in a restaurant gets up from his table and throws his plate against the wall. He points at the plate and yells, "THE DEVIL IS IN THE SPAGHETTI! THE DEVIL IS IN THE SPAGHETTI!"
_He picks up a fork and starts to stab a woman in the throat who is sitting at a table next to him, yelling, "THE DEVIL IS IN HER!"
_The born-again religion storm-troopers rush in and arrest the man, not for murder or exhibiting symptoms of complete insanity, for executing the woman without a proper Witch-Trial to prove she had been consorting with Satan.
_The court rules the woman should have been taken to a place of dunking and there tied to a chair and dunked in the water. If no confession was extracted prior to death, than if her body sank to the bottom after death, than she was guilty of consorting with the Devil. If her body floated after death than she was innocent of the charges. But, the court had done her a great favor by speeding her to her final reward in the next life, to the side of the Lord.

Such is the world of christian fundamentalism. How it once was, and could be again, it we all don't watch out.

The average fundamentalist would say, "we wouldn't do that kind of thing if we ran the nation."
No, you would simply have anyone who disagreed with your fundamentalist position fired from their job. Then you would float a memo to all businesses and agencies to not hire that person, thereby putting them out on the street, "that'll show 'em!"
Discouraging anyone else from speaking out.

Thus ends a nation of free speech.
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I recently spoke to a woman who happen to be a tour director. She claimed she was a Democrat. She said she couldn't vote for Kerry because he had gone in front of Congress and said American soldiers had commited war crimes in Vietnam.
I said "war crimes were commited in Vietnam."
She said "I know, it's called the fog of war."
I said "what about Dick Cheney accepting twenty million dollars shortly after becoming Vice-President from a company he had worked for?"
She said "they call that B.R.I.B."
I "so you won't vote for a man who told the truth, but you'll vote for a man whom you deem guilty of accepting bribes, a criminal offence?"

I gather she was mad at John Kerry because he "TOLD", and he wasn't supposed to tell. Americans want that nice warm feeling that everything is peaches 'n cream and cotton candy. Many fundamentalist I have spoken to believe he shouldn't have told something that should have been kept secret (...and the truth shall make you free). This as compared to George w. who is a spoiled brat, but has kept all his skull and bones and dirty business deal secrets and gotten away with anything he wanted to do for years without being corrected, and is now the problem-child of the United States, a nation of people who are still not willing to correct him.
Of course, like any parent-child relationship the problem exists within the parent, that of the United States itself, a nation of people who don't want to believe its Bible thumping, praying President could do anything wrong. It boils down to, as most things do, narcissism. A nation that doesn't want to believe its leaders could do anything wrong, because they don't want to believe that they could have done anything wrong in following a leader who starts a war that didn't need to be started. A war that was ultimately a war of Mass-Distraction designed to keep the publics attention while it, the administration, loots the nations coffers. Looting by any way possible, from no-bid contracts for Haliburton to public tax money being used to help corporations set-up in China. As is typical of a narcissist, many Americans refuse to find any fault in themselves, and as such I expect many, if not most, will vote for the biggest liar on November 2.

George W. Bush seems to have taken up a position as the leader of the white christian fundamentalist. He has, in my opinion, given the winking eye to the white right-wing. There seem to be this subtle under-tow of thought amoung many right-wing caucasians that of, "George is going to return the nation to white people," as if it had ever left.
_It is of course a notion that is a fallacy, a fake, and fraud. Much like that of George Bush being a "cowboy" from Maine. George W. Bush is only interested in the rich, what he can do for them and what they can do for him.

There is, however, what seems to be a strain of fascism running through the Bush administration.

"Communism is when Government controls industry. Fascism is when industry controls Government."--Robert F. Kennedy

"We need no priests. We can communicate direct to God through Adolf Hitler." --Mayor of Hamburg, 1930's

'Hitler's word is God's law, the decrees and laws which represent it possess divine authority.'--A conclave of German Christians, April 1937

"At a mass meeting...thought is eliminated. And because this is the state of mind I require, because it secures to me the best sounding-board for my speeches I order everyone to attend the meetings, where they become part of the mass whether they like it or not, 'intellectuals' and bourgeois as well as workers. I mingle the people. I speak to them only as a mass."--Adolf Hitler

"In all these cases one deals with the problem of influencing the freedom of the human will. And that is true especially of meetings where there are men whose wills are opposed to the speaker and who must be brought around to a new way of thinking. In the morning and during the day it seems that the power of the human will rebels with its strongest energy against any attempt to impose upon it the will or opinion of another. On the other hand, in the evening it easily succumbs to the domination of the stronger will...The mysterious artificial dimness of the Catholic churches also serves this purpose, the burning candles, the incense..."--Mein Kampf

The problem, as I see it, of our nation is the control of our Government by large Corporations, a.k.a. Fascism.
Our nation will never be free until the people are willing to elect leaders who are willing to say to ex-patriot American that have left for foreign lands:
"No, since you have left our shores for another country you will not be allowed to bring your foreign made products back into this country. And if any foreign nation tries to sell your products to the United States as their own rather than that of an ex-patriot former American company, it will have a moratorium of six years placed on it where it will not be allowed to sell any of its products in the United States as punishment."
_The idea of the need for a global is a fallacy. The United States could be self-sustaining, if it wished to be. This would also mean full employment. This would not be what industry wants. But since when do the people of the United States have to bow to the wishes of industry? Does not the Constitution read "we the people?" It does not say "we the Corporation," regardless of what George Bush wants it to say.

I fear this will never happen until the public is reduced to a state of poverty and servitude that is almost thraldom. I see this beginning to happen already with the wearing away of public rights.

Politicians, as you have seen, seem to be selected from a small group of very wealthy secret society members. Some of these members control large corporations, investment houses, banking, main-stream media, etc.

Oddly enough, there are a great number of Christians fundamentalist who believe thraldom, poverty, and a fascist world Government is exactly what the world needs, for it would mean Armageddon would be coming soon and Christ would come beck and snatch them away in the Rapture, and take them to Heaven.

Large world corporations have found a way of playing on these people's religious ideology. A way in which not matter how bad George W. Bush makes things for them, and everyone else, their opinion is that of, "he's just hurrying up the coming of the Lord!"
So no matter how much he screws things up it's seen as "a good thing" and "meant by God." To me it seems to be nothing less than a death wish. But this death wish will affect more than just them. It will affect the rest of us as well, and that is the problem I have with religion. With George W. Bush being a professed believer in this, it becomes a self-fulling prophecy.

It is a case where the world is held hostage by the dogmatic belief of a few.
One will not find a minister teaching his congregation that the Ten Commandments can originally be found in the pharaonic confessions from Spell Number 125 in the Egyptian 'Book of the Dead', or that well known Proverbs were translated from the works of an Egyptian sage called Amenemope, who had copied it from a much older work called 'The Wisdom of Ptah-hotep', or that the Lord's Prayer was from an Egyptian prayer to the State-god, as in 'Amen, Amen, who art in Heaven'...

Knowing the truth of it, most ministers would no relate it to their congregation. So where is truth in religion?

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