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Date Posted: 15:30:04 09/13/07 Thu
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Post 199 A: From where do you come?
LIGHT 1. a: something that makes vision possible
5. a: spiritual illumination b: INNER LIGHT c: ENLIGHTENMENT d: TRUTH
War 2. a: a state of hostility, conflict, or antagonism b: a struggle between opposing forces or for a particular end. - Webster's
Christian Fundamentalist claim to believe in a complete and literal interpretion of the Bible. The truth is Christian Fundamentalists are not literalists, as they claim to be. They cherry-pick what they will and they won't believe.
The Bible itself is a contradiction in several areas.
There are two Gospels that say Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist, but the Gospel of Luke says John the Baptist was already in prison at that time. There are also three different versons of the TEN COMMANDMENTS (Exodus 20, Exodus 34, and Deuteronomy 5). My personal favorite is where God made the sun and moon stand still so Joshua could finish a battle. It was the idea of ancient people that the Earth was the center of the universe and the sun revolved around the earth. If one insists the Bible must be read as literal fact then one must say that all the knowledge of science gaimed from the time of Galileo to the persent day is false. If one says that the writters of the Bible just got it wrong then must concede the fact that the Bible was written by man and not by God. Therefore, if that is the case then man, being man and fallible, makes errors, falsehoods. Either the Bible is correct and infallible or it is not. One cannot have it both ways. Either God did not know how his own universe worked or fallible man wrote the Bible.
To the ancients it could have been a literal truth. Consider the possibility that there could have been two great lights shinning down and giving light so the Israelites could finish off the Amorites. This could entail the possibility of an outside technically advanced force using its technical abilities to assist the Israelites in their war of conquest. One must then ask the question, is this outside force the ancient God of the Israelites?
"Then spake Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
14 And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the Lord hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the Lord fought for Israel. - JOSHUA 10: 12-14
American Fascism
The scholar Robert O. Paxton writes of fascism as "a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victimhood and by compensatory cultures of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboraton with traditional elites, abondons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion."
The problem with this definition is some of it is so general it could fit any people or persons of any race, faction, nationality or ethnicity at a given time in their lives. Particularly when some, if not most, might be true for a section or group of people.
I do see a need for a return to a more ethical way of life. I see a truth in many of the of the old laws, no matter what their true origin might have been. I see a need to reture to true justice.
"For by means of a whorish woman a man is brought to a piece of bread: and the adultress will hunt for the precious life." - Proverbs 6:26
"So he that goeth in to his neighbour's wife; whosoever toucheth her shall not be innocent. 30: Men do not despise a thief, if he steal to satisfy his soul when he is hungry; 31: But if he is found, he shall restore sevenfold; he shall give all the substance of his house." - Proverbs 6:29-30
"For jealousy is the rage of a man: therefore he will not spare in the day of vengeance. 35: He will not regard any ransom; neither will he rest content, though thou givest many gifts." - Proverbs 6:34-35
"And I say unto you, whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery." - Matthew 19:9
By the way, one good Congressman with noble intentions introduced a bill to make adultery punishable by fine and or imprisonment. His bill, apparently, went nowhere. This points out with clarity the hypocrisy one finds amoungst our nations Law Makers. If they truly were for "family values" they would have voted the bill into law. I would have liked to have seen that bill voted into law. Adultery is the thing which destroys more marriages and families than anything else.
People say "you can't legislate morality." Actually, you can. We do it all the time. We make it illegal for adults to have sex with minors, as indeed we should. This is legislation of morality.
My beef with this new rightwing Christian Evangelical, Fundamentalist, Dominionist movement is the litmus test of absolute "truth," as if they have it and have a corner on the market for it. I think they have no more of a corner on truth then do they have on an identity of God. I do, by the way believe in God. How God chooses to enforce his will from afar is his own business.
About genocide and war:
I see this whole thing, this war of religion, coming from the same source. I see it as coming from the collaboration between the Bush administration and the Saudi government. Fifteen of the ninteen hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. O. Ben laden was, is, a Saudi, isn't he? He's never ben caught, has he? His father was a friend of G.H.W. Bush, wasn't he? What is the purpose of war to arms dealers and oil producers? The purpose is to make money.
If you're going to commit genocide on a people and a religion (ideology) you consider fatally dangerous, then do it. Either shittsky or get off Der pot.
From the Light.
End post 199 A: teltalheart www.voy.com/40560/
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