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Date Posted: 15:17:49 04/29/02 Mon
Author: stored
Subject: R1

Religion I

The Philosopher's Corner, (and its varied forums) is for those wishing to debate ideas in an
environment relatively free of personal attacks. This does NOT mean that ideas are not to be
challenged and/or heavily debated. Bringing arguments from another forum to this forum or any
other PC forum totally distorts the original message made, gives a biased slant and is
inappropriate. Standing firm and making one's case on its own merits is the intelligent choice.
Attacking and/or challenging an opinion is fair game.. Attacking someone personally is not.
--Susan

Alternative R1 forum
Benefits: length of posts are basically unlimited, and if webforums break down we'll have a
backup forum. :)

MESSAGES IN THIS FORUM ARE PRESENTED AS NEWEST TO OLDEST.

`Ctaj
In Response To Stephan James
Monday April 29, 2002 at 15:33

They turn this site into a damn soap opera...and I hate soap operas.

We could borrow from The Young and the Restless and call this place The Dumb and the
Soul-less.

`Ctaj
In Response To Murray
Monday April 29, 2002 at 15:29

If you don't believe Him, you certainly will not believe me.

It's not a matter of believing Jesus. Jesus didn't make the claim.

Ten Megaton Solution
Monday April 29, 2002 at 15:18

Does not the tale of Noah prove that God makes mistakes?

If it's not a "mistake", does it not prove that God "changes his mind", and thus implies
uncertainty in Her mind?

Murray
In Response To Ctaj
Monday April 29, 2002 at 15:10

It's right there, Jeff. Everything is right there. Not just the specific answer, but the overanswer,
if you will. If you don't believe Him, you certainly will not believe me.

Ten Megaton Solution
In Response To Stephen
Monday April 29, 2002 at 15:02

The mentally inferior ones who cannot check their emotions at the door really should be
left out of any serious intellectual discussion.

Not necessary. They leave themselves out. Any discussion they attempt to enter either flows
past them unperturbed, or ceases to be intellectual. How intellectual is it to inform the world
that you have a "DDD" or a "BBB"? How intellectual is it to enter a discussion on the import of
words and insist that since you cannot understand what certain words mean, no one else can,
and therefore the proponent of an idea must be wrong?

And on and on it goes.

Stephen James
In Response To TenMegs
Monday April 29, 2002 at 14:58

"And it does seem to me that some here freight intellectual discussion with emotional
undercurrents that have no bearing on the topic"

The mentally inferior ones who cannot check their emotions at the door really should be left out
of any serious intellectual discussion.

They are incapable of seeing a difference between an attack on their precious religion and an
attack on them personally. It is not ignorance, as they do certainly know better, I see it just as
simple stupidity. They turn this site into a damn soap opera...and I hate soap operas.

Stephen James
Monday April 29, 2002 at 14:49

"People do not become "children of God" until they are born again. Before that they are just
creatures that He created."

Poor Moses and Noah, burning in Hell because they were not "born-again"...how sad. And
now I understand why the Bible-God could murder all those people with the flood...none of
them were "born again", just fodder to feed the murderous appetite of a bumbling God who
still hasn't gotten it right.

Kill all the sinners on the Earth only to have Noah fill it up with sinners again...either that is a
stupid God or a cruel one who wants another opportunity to commit mass murder. Your
choice...

Stephen James
Monday April 29, 2002 at 14:44

"a spiritually-minded person will demand that you align your life with the standards of Jesus."

Yeah thats the way it goes, religionists DEMAND you set your life by their guidelines...just tell
them to go to hell and thank God ya didn't live in the year 1600 when these demanders would
have come to your house with a mob seeking your head.

"the liberty that comes from realizing the absolute control and authority of Jesus Christ."

The Truth is just the opposite, Liberty comes with the realization that a 2000 year old corpse
does not have any control or authority over anyone.IMO

`Ctaj
In Response To Murray
Monday April 29, 2002 at 14:31

If you want a little help to get started, let me suggest that you cast yourself in the role of
Nicodemus

You mean, when he helped Joseph and the two Mary's hide Jesus, telling everyone he was in
the tomb when he wasn't?

`Ctaj
In Response To Murray
Monday April 29, 2002 at 14:24

I've read it, Murray, and it's not there. Not anywhere. Jesus never claimed to be God in the
flesh. His followers made that up. Your religion is Paul's religion, not Jesus'.

Ten Megaton Solution
In Response To Ctaj
Monday April 29, 2002 at 14:18

I think Murray's last post is an admission that Bible does not record Jesus ever once saying, "I
am God in the Meat".

Murray
In Response To Ctaj
Monday April 29, 2002 at 14:16

Actually, your total answer is right there. That entire chapter, mostly comprised of the words
of Jesus, is exactly what you need to understand if you want the answer to the question. If you
don't want to dig for it a little, why should I care? If you want a little help to get started, let me
suggest that you cast yourself in the role of Nicodemus and try to imagine that you're having the
conversation with Jesus instead of him.

`Ctaj
In Response To Inquisitive
Monday April 29, 2002 at 14:11

That some men think that they are gods because they are the children of God..

Well, Psalms 82:6 says "Ye are Gods." I know what that means in American. Does it mean
something different in Canadian?

Ten Megaton Solution
In Response To Doris
Monday April 29, 2002 at 14:10

I didn't realize you were a triple-D. You must be a sight, what with your BBB and all.

dori
In Response To Ctaj
Monday April 29, 2002 at 14:08

No duh? ROFLMDDDO! The disease of obtuseness must be going around today. Glad I got
vaccinated against it. Seems highly contagious, particularly amongst the puffed up. *-)

dori
In Response To Murray
Monday April 29, 2002 at 14:05

Well, you can only have fun with it if you are scoring a hit on a mistake someone made. As I
said exactly what I meant and you folks misunderstood, I'd say the joke is on you! Grin...
Have fun with the instigators. I am heading back to work. Laterz!

`Ctaj
In Response To Murray
Monday April 29, 2002 at 14:03

MURRAY'S ANSWER TO JEFF

Wrong answer. I have a bible next to my desk if I want to waste the day reading. What I
asked for should be very simple to provide, if it exists: Where does Jesus specifically and
unequivocably state that He is God in the flesh?

`Ctaj
In Response To dori
Monday April 29, 2002 at 14:00

No, I meant it's impossible to be smarter than I claim to be.

Murray
In Response To dori
Monday April 29, 2002 at 13:59

I think a few of us had a little fun with it. I certainly laughed when I read it. Has a touch or two
of irony to it.

Ten Megaton Solution
In Response To Doris
Monday April 29, 2002 at 13:59

Yes. I understand words quite well. Better than you, in fact. Better than Murray, if his failure to
understand the simple syllogism last Friday is any indication.

Got a problem with that?

dori
In Response To Ctaj
Monday April 29, 2002 at 13:58

Re: (and if you saw a point in her meanderings, you're even smarter than you claim to be).

That's impossible.

You're right. It IS impossible to find a point in her meanderings.

dori
In Response To Murray
Monday April 29, 2002 at 13:54

Grin... it seems so! Since we are writing on a forum and reading the words from that format, it
seemed plausible to me that he would understand a statement saying his opinion was worth the
paper the words were printed on would mean his opinion was worthless to me. After all, he IS
the second smartest man in the world.

dori
In Response To Inq
Monday April 29, 2002 at 13:51

I can't get into our other hangout to answer your post to me earlier. It froze up. I was mixing
up the word complacency with certainty. I hadn't gone back to read his exact words before I
wrote my reply. You're right--wording it the way I did, it made no sense. Go back and read
my post substituting the word certainty and maybe it'll make more sense. Grin... I know better
than to post and run. Gets me in trouble every time.

Ten Megaton Solution
In Response To Doris
Monday April 29, 2002 at 13:50

I could not be faulted for saying this:

I do not sell my ideas. They're priceless.

Murray
In Response To dori
Monday April 29, 2002 at 13:49

Then, instead of saying they're not worth the paper they're printed on, maybe we should say
they're worth the paper they're not printed on, eh? *-)

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