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Date Posted: 15:31:29 04/29/02 Mon
Author: stored
Subject: R1

Religion I

The Philosopher's Corner, (and its varied forums) is for those wishing to debate ideas in an
environment relatively free of personal attacks. This does NOT mean that ideas are not to be
challenged and/or heavily debated. Bringing arguments from another forum to this forum or any
other PC forum totally distorts the original message made, gives a biased slant and is
inappropriate. Standing firm and making one's case on its own merits is the intelligent choice.
Attacking and/or challenging an opinion is fair game.. Attacking someone personally is not.
--Susan

Alternative R1 forum
Benefits: length of posts are basically unlimited, and if webforums break down we'll have a
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MESSAGES IN THIS FORUM ARE PRESENTED AS NEWEST TO OLDEST.

Ten Megaton Solution
Monday April 29, 2002 at 17:02

John 11:30
I and my Father are one.

Yes. It can indeed be plainer. To become "one" with another is not to become the other.
Tree huggers feel they are "one with the earth". But no one is drilling their pimples for oil.

This identification process is a common goal for eastern philosophies, and John 11:30
would seem to lend credence to the notion that Buddhism influenced Jesus.

`Ctaj
In Response To Ten Megaton Solution
Monday April 29, 2002 at 17:01

I'm just saying that Jesus' side of the story is not told.

No kidding. The book goes straight from laying in a manger to a 29-year old carpenter who
suddenly decides to chuck his tools and play God for awhile.

Ten Megaton Solution
In Response To Ctaj
Monday April 29, 2002 at 16:57

All I'm saying is that the whole story is not in the Bible. Perhaps by the time it came to trial, his
lawyer told him that calling the Pharisees a liar would get him crucified?

I'm just saying that Jesus' side of the story is not told. All that is told is the story as seen by
others, if they saw anything, and if they reported honestly. Jesus could have said "No" at some
time and the editors kept it out to increase sales and the effectiveness of the pitch.

Colon Powell didn't actually say he wasn't running for Prez until after his book was sold. And
lets face it, if Jesus had said "no", and the editors had left it in, a few Christians would have
feed the lions, and the cult of Mithraism would have gained direct ascendency rather than being
piggy back

`Ctaj
In Response To Inquisitive
Monday April 29, 2002 at 16:56

I and my wife are one.

I and my daughter are one.

I and my dog are one.

Basil and I are one.

The entire Colorado Avalanche hockey team are one.

`Ctaj
In Response To Ten Meg Solution
Monday April 29, 2002 at 16:54

Another time, some of his followers viewed him from a distance, where it appeared to them he
was walking on the water. When they asked him about it, he equivocated. Didn't say he did,
didn't say he didn't. He just let them believe whatever the hell they wanted to believe.

~Inquisitive~
In Response To ah
Monday April 29, 2002 at 16:53

"plainer" sheesh!

~Inquisitive~
Monday April 29, 2002 at 16:52

John 11:30
I and my Father are one.

Couldn't get any planner than that.

Murray
In Response To Ctaj
Monday April 29, 2002 at 16:52

"He didn't. He equivocated, and He let you draw false conclusions. He could have come
straight out and said it if it were true, but the fact is, He didn't."

Since you don't believe in God anyway, what difference would it have made to you if He had
said the actual words, "I am God in the flesh." Or, you could have gone to one of your other
positions and said that He was deluded when He said it. Or that He was having a bad hair day.
Or, if you're Jeanie, even though just about every translation known to man says those words,
you come up with the one that says, "The I am God lives in my flesh," or in some other way
neutralizes the meaning. There's all kinds of ways not to believe, in other words.

`Ctaj
In Response To Ten Meg Solution
Monday April 29, 2002 at 16:51

Main Entry: equiv�o�cate
1 : to use equivocal language especially with intent to deceive
2 : to avoid committing oneself in what one says

When Jesus was asked, "Are you the King of the Jews?" he replied, "So you say." That's an
equivocation. He avoided committing himself one way or the other.

Ten Megaton Solution
In Response To Ctaj
Monday April 29, 2002 at 16:45

You are saying that "he equivocated", as if the Bible contains the complete story. He may very
well have said, at some point in his life, "No, that's false", and discovered that isn't the way to
build cults. The record, such as it is, is not clear, and not complete. That's all.

`Ctaj
In Response To Murray
Monday April 29, 2002 at 16:45

Until then, you are a professor, a notionist.

Well, if you claim a quality in Jesus that He didn't even claim of himself, what does that make
you?

dori
In Response To Coinky
Monday April 29, 2002 at 16:40

Was I talking to you? I don't think so. *-)

Murray
In Response To Coinkydink
Monday April 29, 2002 at 16:37

"Absolutely Jesus proclaimed that he was the Son of God...he also said that we are given
the power to by sons of God too."

Is this what you believe for yourself? That you have been given the power to live a life like
Jesus did? Then show me by the spiritual excellence of your life that it is true. Start by showing
me 70 times 7 forgiveness and by truly showing love, compassion and understanding to those
who have wronged you and hurt you. When you do, I will definitely stand up and start listening
to what you say. Until then, you are a professor, a notionist.

`Ctaj
In Response To Ten Meg Solution
Monday April 29, 2002 at 16:31

The Bible does not record any denials. The Bible does not record Jesus' direct affirmation.
The Bible implies that he was God, and preachers use that to fleece their flocks of millions.

And what was that supposed to be correcting?

Ten Megaton Solution
In Response To Ctaj
Monday April 29, 2002 at 16:28

He didn't. He equivocated, and He let you draw false conclusions. He could have come
straight out and said it if it were true, but the fact is, He didn't.

Correction: (I know you understand this, you've been accorded the Smart Guy #1 Award by
Mizz DDD/BBB)
The Bible does not record any denials. The Bible does not record Jesus' direct affirmation. The
Bible implies that he was God, and preachers use that to fleece their flocks of millions.

`Ctaj
In Response To Murray
Monday April 29, 2002 at 16:22

It's not a matter of Jesus not identifying his uniqueness and his origin. He did.

He didn't. He equivocated, and He let you draw false conclusions. He could have come
straight out and said it if it were true, but the fact is, He didn't.

Ten Megaton Solution
In Response To Coinkydink
Monday April 29, 2002 at 16:22

Three, on Sunday. Hard to believe that that kid was once no bigger than her baby sister. She
doesn't believe us when we tell her that. (Of course.)

*Coinkydink
In Response To Ten Megs
Monday April 29, 2002 at 16:15

Three already? boy, time flies! :D TTFN

Ten Megaton Solution
In Response To Coinkydink
Monday April 29, 2002 at 16:13

Doris is unhappy that I won't apologize for her failure to understan what I say. So she pouts.
I've got a beautiful three year old at home (and it's not Pat Roberston's race horse), so I'm
used to pouting.

*Coinkydink
In Response To Dori
Monday April 29, 2002 at 16:03

"a few pompous blowhards have commandeered the room." Care to come right out and name
them? You probably won't even get a slap on the wrist from the Mods, so don't fret about it.
And it surely isn't going to effect the "pompous blowhards" here. ;)

*Coinkydink
In Response To Murray
Monday April 29, 2002 at 15:55

"Only begotten son"... in the original language, this reads "first" begotten son, pointing to the
fact that we can all be begotten of God, through the HS.

*Coinkydink
In Response To Murray
Monday April 29, 2002 at 15:52

Absolutely Jesus proclaimed that he was the Son of God...he also said that we are given the
power to by sons of God too. He said over and over, It's not my message but the Father's
who sent me, It's not my power but the power of God ... IMHO it could not be clearer that he
considered himslef a chosen man, a son of God, a prophet, even the Messiah, the annointed
one...but no where does he say, I am God. He repeatedly denies it and seeks to draw people
to devotion to the God that he served.

Murray
In Response To Ctaj
Monday April 29, 2002 at 15:46

It's not a matter of Jesus not identifying his uniqueness and his origin. He did. Clearly. Sorry if
He did not stand up and say the exact words you insist He should have. From the point of
view you consistently share here, I seriously doubt it would make any difference to you if He
had.

*Coinkydink
In Response To Ten Megs
Monday April 29, 2002 at 15:40

Speaking of DDD's"

There was a young lady
whose chest was full of surprises.

One was a flat'un,
one the size of Manhattan
and the third one really won prizes!

~Smirk~

dori
In Response To Stephen
Monday April 29, 2002 at 15:36

Well, if you don't like soap operas, you're sure in the wrong place at THIS forum. LOL! So
now you're an intellectual too? Hee hee...

You had the most intellectual poster on the forums, minder, at your site and you hardly ever
went there to discuss the meaning of life with him. When this "discussion" becomes intellectual,
I'll be happy to enter in. Right now it appears that a few pompous blowhards have
commandeered the room. Now THAT'S a soap opera. *-)

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