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Date Posted: 15:03:28 05/01/02 Wed
Author: stored
Subject: R1

Religion I

The Philosopher's Corner, (and its varied forums) is for those wishing to debate ideas in an
environment relatively free of personal attacks. This does NOT mean that ideas are not to be
challenged and/or heavily debated. Bringing arguments from another forum to this forum or any
other PC forum totally distorts the original message made, gives a biased slant and is
inappropriate. Standing firm and making one's case on its own merits is the intelligent choice.
Attacking and/or challenging an opinion is fair game.. Attacking someone personally is not.
--Susan

Alternative R1 forum
Benefits: length of posts are basically unlimited, and if webforums break down we'll have a
backup forum. :)

MESSAGES IN THIS FORUM ARE PRESENTED AS NEWEST TO OLDEST.

Murray
In Response To Ctaj
Wednesday May 1, 2002 at 15:07

Good point, Jeff. It's really much more of an adventure than a stale theological treatise.

`Ctaj
In Response To Murray
Wednesday May 1, 2002 at 12:42

You don't need a book for that. Take a back-pack trip along the Continental Divide for a
week or so.

Murray
In Response To SJ
Wednesday May 1, 2002 at 12:24

I very much like what Quaker founder George Fox said about Scripture, which was:

Yet I had no slight esteem of the holy Scriptures. They were very precious to me; for I was in
that Spirit by which they were given forth; and what the Lord opened in me I afterwards found
was agreeable to them. I could speak much of these things, and many volumes might be written
upon them; but all would prove too short to set forth the infinite love, wisdom, and power of
God, in preparing, fitting, and furnishing me for the service to which He had appointed me;
letting me see the depths of Satan on the one hand, and opening to me, on the other hand, the
divine mysteries of His own everlasting kingdom.

Stephen James
In Response To Murray
Wednesday May 1, 2002 at 12:10

Why the reluctance to take the opportunity to explain one of Protestantisms doctrines? Do you
agree with the concepts of "sola scriptura" or do you think it was a bunch of hooey?

Do we humans ONLY need the guidance of the Holy Spirit in interpreting and understanding
the Bible? Or do we need guys like you to hold our hands and walk us through it?

Stephen James
In Response To GerryB
Wednesday May 1, 2002 at 12:04

You need to be more specific with your judgement labels...the term is "BibleGod Haters" not
"God haters". I realize you are trying your best to pass lies off as truth, but the truth is that there
is the BibleGod who only exists in the minds of the men who created Her/Him...and then there
is the Real God, whose Nature can never be defined by such a stupid being as Man.

I love the RealGod...but I hate the BibleGod. Nothing wrong with hating a God that does not
exist or in hating a depiction of God which is Evil. The BibleGod is Evil. Good thing that
version of God is a Lie. IMO

Stephen James
In Response To They are all corrupt...
Wednesday May 1, 2002 at 11:52

Http://www.post-gazette.com/columnists/20020306sally104col2p2.asp

`Ctaj
In Response To GerryB
Wednesday May 1, 2002 at 11:44

I like the Apostle Paul have no interest in impressing or pleasing men.

Congratulations on your spectacular success.

GerryB.
Wednesday May 1, 2002 at 11:41

"10For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men,
I should not be the servant of Christ. 11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was
preached of me is not after man. 12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but
by the revelation of Jesus Christ."
Galtians 1:10-12.

I like the Apostle Paul have no interest in impressing or pleasing men. I only want to serve God
in whatever capacity He decides to use me.

`Ctaj
In Response To GerryB
Wednesday May 1, 2002 at 11:33

You would be surprised at the things which I've managed to learn in my long life time.

You've managed to hide it so far. So, surprise me.

~Inquisitive~
In Response To Ctaj
Wednesday May 1, 2002 at 11:26

If you open your heart, you will bleed to death.

Smart alec! :)

Murray
In Response To dori huh?
Wednesday May 1, 2002 at 11:23

So, in other words, by reiterating it, you demonstrate your wish to have the point you made
about a quiet forum stand alone. Correct?

GerryB.
In Response To CTAJ
Wednesday May 1, 2002 at 11:21

"Nobody's gonna believe that "attribution" is part of your vocabulary."

You would be surprised at the things which I've managed to learn in my long life time.

dori
In Response To Murray and Gerry
Wednesday May 1, 2002 at 11:03

Murray: My reading comprehension is fine. I merely agreed with what you said, which I'm
finding gets me in hot water with you, and reiterated why I made the opening statement upon
happening on a quiet forum. *-)

Gerry: Well, I guess a little is better than none, eh? I hope you will receive more. The prayers
will still be coming your way.

`Ctaj
In Response To GerryB
Wednesday May 1, 2002 at 10:57

Gerry to Dori: That long article that you posted called, "Sola Scriptura" wasn't original
with you. It was written by someone else and you posted it without attribution.

I think you cut and pasted that without attribution. Nobody's gonna believe that "attribution" is
part of your vocabulary.

GerryB.
In Response To Jeanie
Wednesday May 1, 2002 at 10:55

RE: "No one who posts here hates God either. You need to get to know your fellow posters
better.."

"30He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad."
Matthew 12:30(KJV).

"18If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you."
John 15:18(KJV).

It seems that God knows His enemies better than you know them.

`Ctaj
In Response To GerryB
Wednesday May 1, 2002 at 10:54

I'm not a debater. I was too busy learning important things in High School to bother with
foolishness like debating. I just express my honest opinions. That is my honest opinion of
most of what you post here.

You know what they say ... opinions are like a**holes: everybody's got one. But it ain't worth
much unless you can back it up. Something you admit you aren't good at.

`Ctaj
In Response To GerryB
Wednesday May 1, 2002 at 10:51

GerryB
In Response To CTAJ
Wednesday May 1, 2002 at 0:03

That is strange. I read the entire PP forum for this day a few minutes ago and don't
remember seeing anything posted which suggested "lopping their heads off." However,
you might be right.

OK, so my "lopping heads off" was a paraphrase.

GerryB.
In Response To CTAJ
Wednesday May 1, 2002 at 10:45

Why did you address that "goldbuggy" post to me? I'm not a Roman Catholic. I disagree with
most of what they teach.

GerryB.
In Response To CTAJ
Wednesday May 1, 2002 at 10:43

RE: "But if the best you can come up with is "HOGWASH!", that isn't debate."

I'm not a debater. I was too busy learning important things in High School to bother with
foolishness like debating. I just express my honest opinions. That is my honest opinion of most
of what you post here.

`Ctaj
In Response To GerryB
Wednesday May 1, 2002 at 10:39

By the way, with regard to the Goldbuggy post, it should be noted that the ONLY comment
about it from anyone was from Dori, who posted a profound, "LOL!".

GerryB.
In Response To dori
Wednesday May 1, 2002 at 10:38

We've had rain over the past few days. Not enough. It is not helping the reservoirs much. We
need a lot more to just get caught up. Once the growing season really gets under way and the
hot weather gets here what we have had will soon be gone.

GerryB.
In Response To dori
Wednesday May 1, 2002 at 10:38

We've had rain over the past few days. Not enough. It is not helping the reservoirs much. We
need a lot more to just get caught up. One the growing season really gets under way and the
hot weather gets here what we have had will soon be gone.

Murray
In Response To dori P.S.
Wednesday May 1, 2002 at 10:38

Just read it a little S-L-O-W=E=R this time. *-)

`Ctaj
In Response To Ten Megaton Solution
Wednesday May 1, 2002 at 10:37

But basically, it's hard to justify sola scriptura on it's face, since everyone knows there are
apocryphal texts, and that some committee picked and chose which ones were included in
today's Bible.

Ah, but they used the magic words, "guided by the Holy Spirit," so you have to accept it as
authoritative.

Murray
In Response To dori
Wednesday May 1, 2002 at 10:34

"Very true words, my friend, but peace, no matter how transient, is desirable on occasion,
wouldn't you agree?"

I anticipated this question from you, Doris and, so, I gave my answer before you even asked.
*-) If you read my 9:54 one more time, you will see it.

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