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Date Posted: 07:30:15 05/02/02 Thu
Author: stored
Subject: R1

Religion I

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environment relatively free of personal attacks. This does NOT mean that ideas are not to be
challenged and/or heavily debated. Bringing arguments from another forum to this forum or any
other PC forum totally distorts the original message made, gives a biased slant and is
inappropriate. Standing firm and making one's case on its own merits is the intelligent choice.
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--Susan

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MESSAGES IN THIS FORUM ARE PRESENTED AS NEWEST TO OLDEST.

*Coinkydink
In Response To Ya'll
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 9:25

The missing child notice that I e-mailed out has been declared a hoax. Here is a website about
it:

http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/children/penny.htm

*Coinkydink
In Response To Connie
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 9:24

You can see evidence of evolution within a species. Look at dog breeding. Also people have
gotten bigger and have several other changes just in the last 100 years. The little vietnamese
children that are 2nd and 3rd generation Americans are considerably bigger than their parents
due to nutritional changes.

GerryB.
In Response To Jeanie
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 9:23

The first National DAY of Prayer was declared during the presidency of George Washington,
I believe. I found several sites telling about it. Here is one:

http://www.lesea.com/ndp/home.htm

*Coinkydink
In Response To Connie
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 9:21

Evolution as taught by some people is a hoax. There is no evidence that one species can
evolve into a completely different one. There is evidence that some species are so closely
related that they could have come form a common ancester like the chimp and man, whose
dna is so close that they probably could mate and produce offspring. Cats and rabbits are
closely related too, I think, anyway I've heard of hybrids. Natural selection is an interesting
theory and I think has "some" merit, but I don't think any theory except creation or implantation
of life on this planet makes much sense on it's own.

Connie
In Response To Ctaj/TMS/Stephen
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 9:07

Here's your chance. Go for it. Prove Evolution: Win $250,000

*Coinkydink
In Response To Gerry
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 9:07

Hi, Gerry. I never heard of national prayer day... when did this start? It would be nice if we
prayed for peace. I think I'll e-mail the Pres. and tell him that.

Connie
In Response To Morning Gerry
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 9:06

Beat ya to it. I already did...smile! How's it going with you and Willy? Any chance of rain?

*Coinkydink
In Response To Murray
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 9:05

It seems to me that this revival would be a good thing...but can you name any other time in
history when this kind of thing was evident in the church? I don't recall anything like this being
prophesied. Also with the indwelling HS, you'd think this would be a natural developement in
the church and would already be evident from the time of Jesus til now.

GerryB.
In Response To Murray
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 9:03

Good morning, brother.

How are things with you today? I trust that you will be spending a portion of your day in
prayers of thanksgiving.

GerryB.
In Response To Thursday May 2, 2002
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 9:00

Is the national day of prayer. I hope that every one will spend a part of the day in prayers of
thanksgiving to God for all the wonderful blessings that He has given to us.

"14If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek
my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their
sin, and will heal their land."
2 Chronicles 7:14(KJV).

GerryB.
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 8:54

"19We love him, because he first loved us."
1 John 4:19(KJV).

I don't see anything about being commanded to love God. It is entirely voluntary. Just
remember that He loved us first. In fact he loved us so much that "16For God so loved the
world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish,
but have everlasting life."
John 3:16(KJV).

Man that is real love.

Murray
In Response To Revival Part 2
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 8:43

3.) Because God is love, there will be a much greater intensity of the love of God in the lives of
believers manifesting itself within our churches and homes, but spilling out across so-called
denominational lines and into the world at large. This will fulfill the prediction of Jesus when He
said, "By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another." (John
13:35)

4.) All of the above will be noticed and reported upon with amazement in the press. Many
people will actually flock to the churches because of what they hear, see and read in secular
press reports.

Murray
In Response To Revival Part 1
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 8:43

Much is being said these days about the scandals in the church and what the future might hold.
Because the church belongs to God and not to man, I believe that the Lord Himself will step
into the picture to bring about what has become known historically as a revival. I believe this
revival will bring about the following:

1.) A much greater awareness of the presence and power of God at all times in the lives of
believers.

2.) Accompanying this will be a marked increase in miracles and of other manifestations and
gifts of the Spirit.

(contined)

Murray
In Response To re: George Fox
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 7:56

I'm not deeply involved in theology or theological nuance, so I intentionally did not address the
issue of 'sola scriptura.' I believe, however, that George Fox had Scripture in the proper
perspective as he pretty much did with everything else. He said he found the Scriptures to be
precious. Also, he attested to being in the Spirit that brought them forth and that what the Spirit
taught him was in agreement with what was written there. In this and in the totality of his
writings, he is a true fundamental Christian because of his deep reverence for the Lord Jesus
Christ and his esteem of the Scriptures. Also, he is no universalist in that he expressly disallows
any other basis of faith.

*Coinkydink
In Response To Jeff
Wednesday May 1, 2002 at 22:48

I think you're right that a lot can be known about God by observing the creation... and God
can be felt in nature too. I remember sitting as a child on a rock in the center of a running
stream... it took my soul out of the cares of the world and I felt god was there with me.
Perhaps to some hardnoses, I was just an over-imaginative child, but to me it was precious.

*Coinkydink
In Response To Murray
Wednesday May 1, 2002 at 22:45

It would be safe to say that George fox was NOT a sola scriptura man... One of his main
points of contention with the "church" in england was that they denied that the HS could speak
directly to the souls of man in this dispensation.

I remember being taught about the dispensations and timelines of Gods plan and thought it was
hogwash then... I haven't read or seen anything to change that opinion...but I do try to keep an
open mind. Doctrines are man's interpretations of divine contact with the HS...hopefully they
are, anyway. Some may just be hogwash...who knows?

*Coinkydink
In Response To Inqui
Wednesday May 1, 2002 at 22:35

I saw a documentary about how the brain of men is wired, which said that they cannot easily
talk about emotions at the same time they are feeling them intensely, because right and left
brain activity isn't wired that way. I believe that our souls are wired to operate that way in
relation to the brain. We need to open the soul and quiet the mind to experience God, then
later we can think about what has happened and attempt to put it into words. IMO, which
really doesn't carry any weight here, ya know... :)

*Coinkydink
In Response To Inqui
Wednesday May 1, 2002 at 22:32

"When one reads the bible, it must be done with an open heart, as well as an open mind." I
would say it differently...One must keep an active mind when reading any book about God,
but when seeking God himself, one needs to keep the soul open. I am not a sola scriptura
believer... I believe that god speak directly to the soul through the Holy Spirit. To believe one
can only reach god through the scriptures, closes the soul and opens the mind, almost insuring
that no contact will ever be made with the Spirit.

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