Date Posted:08:15:49 05/03/02 Fri Author: stored Subject: R1
Religion I
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environment relatively free of personal attacks. This does NOT mean that ideas are not to be
challenged and/or heavily debated. Bringing arguments from another forum to this forum or any
other PC forum totally distorts the original message made, gives a biased slant and is
inappropriate. Standing firm and making one's case on its own merits is the intelligent choice.
Attacking and/or challenging an opinion is fair game.. Attacking someone personally is not.
--Susan
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MESSAGES IN THIS FORUM ARE PRESENTED AS NEWEST TO OLDEST.
GerryB.
In Response To Murray
Friday May 3, 2002 at 8:58
Good morning, brother.
Looks like you and I are the only ones who are conscious this morning.
Murray
In Response To Gerry
Friday May 3, 2002 at 8:51
Good Morning!
GerryB.
Friday May 3, 2002 at 8:36
Not much activity last night. I wonder what those people on the "Theology discussion board"
are going to have to gossip about. Gee, they might even have to talk about theological issues.
What a happy thought.
BTW Good morning.
`Ctaj
In Response To Coinkydink
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 23:50
Hand fishing? I prefer a nice rod and reel and salmon eggs or worms. The worms don't
like it much though... ;)
I usually flyfish myself, but there's nothing like handfishing to "get in touch" with nature. (Water
moccasins swim, too.)
GerryB.
In Response To dori
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 23:35
RE: "I'm heading out the door for Terre Haute and probably won't be around much for the
weekend, so you're officially in charge for the next shift. *-) See ya Sunday!"
What makes you think that anyone is in charge here? Beside I have things to do away from
here. I have a life away from this forum, you know. BTW Have fun.
Murray
In Response To Coinkydink
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 22:51
I know what mystical means and I have experienced and do experience the mystical side of
Christianity. However, this inner work has a distinct purpose as it works its way into and
through your life. It is this that you have missed and you substitute a mystical vagueness for
something that has a very specific outworking in one's life. Therefore, you have obviously
missed the true Holy Spirit that brings people to repentance and into deep and abiding faith
and reverence for the Lord Jesus Christ. Also, not being in that Spirit, you do not see that it
was this same Spirit that brought the Scriptures forth. Therefore, you trash reverence for the
Lord and disbelieve the Scriptures as well.
*Coinkydink
In Response To Re: Nature
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 22:40
Nature as a witness to god's glory is repeated in the Bible many times:
Ps 19:1 "The heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament shows his handiwork." Ps
8:3-4 "When I consider the heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which
thou has t ordained; what is man that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou
visiteth him?" ... who can be in nature and not realize that God is there?
*Coinkydink
In Response To Murray
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 21:53
If you don't realize that the HS was in men's souls long before Jesus was on Earth, you have
overlooked something important...and if you don't believe that the message of Jesus about
being born of the Spirit and worshipping in the spirit was mystical then you've again missed
something.
BTW Sticks and stones, Bro. Murray! :p
*Coinkydink
In Response To Ctaj
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 21:49
Hand fishing? I prefer a nice rod and reel and salmon eggs or worms. The worms don't like it
much though... ;) BTW cotton mouth rattlers swim, but you won't find them in California or
Colorado, lucky for us.
`Ctaj
In Response To Stephen James
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 14:18
The only thing Jesus did that you can prove was to die, just like every man.
Not really. There's no conclusive proof that he was even born, much less exactly when he
died.
dori
In Response To Gerry
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 14:11
I'm heading out the door for Terre Haute and probably won't be around much for the
weekend, so you're officially in charge for the next shift. *-) See ya Sunday!
Ten Megaton Solution
In Response To Doris
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 14:03
The only correct path is no path. So pick any path you please, they are all the same once the
lights go out.
dori
In Response To Stephen
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 13:53
I have a lot of people telling me what path to choose. I have some who tell me God is
everywhere and Christians are rigid and judgmental to try to force their way on me. I have
Christian friends telling me to stay away from all those universalists who would lead me down
the path to destruction. I have other people telling me that to have faith in God is a waste of my
intelligence and I shouldn't be left unattended I'm so stupid. What it all boils down to is--it's
just between God and me. And God and you can work out YOUR path. 8-)
Stephen James
In Response To Dori
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 13:16
"And, no more of this universalism rubbish from you, young lady!"
Walk the Path that Murray wishes you to walk and God will Love you and the Gates of
Heaven will open wide in acceptance of you.
Stephen James
In Response To Murray
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 13:10
"Christianity teaches the truth that there is no ladder up and only by the fact that Jesus came
down and dealt with the sin issue once and for all can we have salvation."
Truth and fact eh? Sorry, but I find I must heap mud and dung on your "truth" and "fact"...Tell
the people the real Truth. Your "truth and facts" are nothing but assumptions, speculations and
outright lies.
The only thing Jesus did that you can prove was to die, just like every man. Big deal. Sin is still
here and I could care less that you live in a fantasy world in which you believe Jesus took care
of things, the clear truth is that the BibleGod is a bungler who can't even get rid of the sinners
with a flood. IMO
Stephen James
In Response To Coinky/Forum
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 12:54
In Reagan's 1987 proclamation, he stated, "On our National Day of Prayer, then, we join
together as people of many faiths to petition God to show us His mercy and His love, to heal
our weariness and uphold our hope, that we might live ever mindful of His justice and thankful
for His blessing."
Notice there is no mention of the word "Christian" here, instead we see "many faiths". I found a
couple of web sites where Christians are trying to turn it into a "national Christian Day of
Prayer". Typical divisionists, seeking to instigate hate where ever they go...
Today I will pray for the Christian religion...I will pray that they feel the Love of God as it is
apparent the religion is sorely lacking in that area.
`Ctaj
In Response To Connie
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 12:45
He should also hold out the same reward for whomever "proves" Creation.
Ten Megaton Solution
In Response To Connie
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 12:36
"prove evolution"...
Scientific theories are not "proven", so that man's false offer is safe. He's in no fear of losing
any money.
If he wanted to be useful, he should pay if evolution is disproved. Than that is will be. Too
many observed facts can only be explained by Evolution, and any ascending theory will
incorporate most of what is in the current Theory of Evolution as a subset, much as Einstein's
Special Relativity (E=MC^2) is a consistent subset of the broader General Relativity, or how
Newtonian Gravity is a subset of General Relativity.
`Ctaj
In Response To Murray
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 12:34
And, no more of this universalism rubbish from you, young lady!
And none of this Jesus- came-and-dealt-with-all-sin-once-and-for-all rubbish from you, young
man.
`Ctaj
In Response To Murray
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 12:31
Only biblical Christianity teaches the truth that there is no ladder up and only by the fact
that Jesus came down and dealt with the sin issue once and for all can we have salvation.
That's what you want to hear, but that doesn't make it Truth.
Murray
In Response To dori
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 12:22
Great! If you pick Him, stay with Him. Show deep reverence for Him. He gave his life for you
and He deserves that. And, no more of this universalism rubbish from you, young lady!
dori
In Response To Murray
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 12:16
Yep, he's my pick, too. Have a nice weekend. I'm not going to be online much til Sunday
night. Peace!
Murray
In Response To dori
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 12:10
I'll stick with Jesus, thank you. A deep reverence for Him and a very high esteem of the
Scriptures has given the world the finest and most admirable people I have ever met or heard
about. I have deeply studied other religions and their claims and found them to be nothing. All
of them teach a ladder to God, a religion of self effort, and none of them deal squarely and
effectively with the sin issue, which is HUGE. Only biblical Christianity teaches the truth that
there is no ladder up and only by the fact that Jesus came down and dealt with the sin issue
once and for all can we have salvation. So, I'll stick with that and humbly implore your to do
likewise.
`Ctaj
In Response To Murray
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 12:03
As far as the nature thing is concerned, I think that is a comment Jeanie made.
And Stephen James. And me. And Thomas Paine. And Thomas Jefferson.
I think your Jesus monopoly is presumptuous. If I were God, I would make my presence
known to all men through their consciousness and through their observations and experiences
in nature. I certainly wouldn't delegate it to man, or to any group of men. And I certainly
wouldn't confine it to one single man-made book.
Murray
In Response To Ctaj
Thursday May 2, 2002 at 11:53
Thanks! I was asserting that it is not only conceivable that God is sending the Holy Spirit to all
tribes, but that He is actually doing it through the Great Commission. The Great Commission,
of course, is the fulfillment by the church of Christ's command to spread his Gospel to every
tribe and nation on earth. Therefore, through this, it is not only conceivable that the Holy Spirit
goes forth to various tribes and groups, but, through the Great Commission, He actually does
so through the spreading of the Gospel of Jesus. As far as the nature thing is concerned, I think
that is a comment Jeanie made.
