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Date Posted: 11:19:37 05/11/02 Sat
witness
In Response To dori
Saturday May 11, 2002 at 13:13
Sorry, I have been very busy and have spent so much time on the road from L.A. to New Hampshire then to Georgia and then toFla. . Got a chance to go home for Mothers Day the kids are happy. Although word has it I might get to go overseas I'll try to catch everyone then. I don't think I'll have time when things get busy. Grace to you.
witness
In Response To Murray
Saturday May 11, 2002 at 13:02
Just thought I would stop by and say "Hi". If you get the chance try to remind people that His works are not of the kind such as the world will be opened hearted to. His is for the likes of those that the Spirit is working to change. It is good for all to remember that we fall short of his measure and cannot lift up ourselves to be in his grace.
[Verified RonB] RonB
In Response To GerryB
Saturday May 11, 2002 at 12:41
More productive than these forums? Huh? You mean there is a life out there beyond this computer screen? Let me check...what is this behind the curtain...the light...the light, it hurts my eyeses!
Have a good day, Gerry.
[Verified GerryB.] GerryB.
In Response To RonB
Saturday May 11, 2002 at 12:12
It has been afternoon here for over an hour. I sometimes forget the little things like that.
I'm fine. I'm going to get off now. I've been on for a few hours. Time to do something more productive with my time.
TTYL GLW.
[Verified RonB] RonB
In Response To GerryB
Saturday May 11, 2002 at 12:07
Good mornin...afternoon. Just noon now. How are you?
[Verified GerryB.] GerryB.
In Response To RonB.
Saturday May 11, 2002 at 12:03
Good morning.
[Verified RonB] RonB
In Response To Coinkydink
Saturday May 11, 2002 at 12:00
Why did Jesus emphasis that he was sent from the Father, that He was given authority by the father and that the message he was giving was not from him, but from the Father?
There are two Mysteries involved here, the Incarnation and the Trinity. Christ existed for all time as one of the Persons of the Trinity, but (as St. Paul said in Phil. 2) He "emptied" Himself to become Man through the Incarnation. From the time Christ was conceived in the womb of Mary -- through all eternity, He is now both true God and true Man. While on earth Jesus spoke both as Man and as God. But you cannot ignore the verse in John 8 where Christ said "I am." There is no ambiguity there. He is saying to the Jews, "I am God." And they understood the meaning of His words.
[Verified GerryB.] GerryB.
In Response To Murray
Saturday May 11, 2002 at 11:59
It is bright and sunny and 65 here at 1:00. Looks like it might get to 70 today. Should get some rain late tomorrow. Probably not enough to solve the drought problem though. Your posts to Jeanie were excellent. Thank you.
[Verified Murray] Murray
In Response To dori
Saturday May 11, 2002 at 11:34
I would have said hello to you also if you hadn't said good bye 20 minutes ago. LOL You like the posts between Jeanie and me, eh? You'll have to tell me why.
[Verified dori] dori
In Response To Murray
Saturday May 11, 2002 at 11:27
Good posts this morning between you and Coinky. Bless you both. I have to run!
[Verified Murray] Murray
In Response To Gerry
Saturday May 11, 2002 at 11:24
Hi, Gerry! Saw your greeting just now. Beautiful day here. Sunny and 64 going up to 68.
[Verified Murray] Murray
In Response To Jeanie pt 3
Saturday May 11, 2002 at 11:21
Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you. (Philippians 3:12-15)
[Verified Murray] Murray
In Response To Jeanie pt 2
Saturday May 11, 2002 at 11:20
There is just something about Jesus Christ that calls us, tugs at us, leads us upward, empowers us and that gives our lives a dynanism and a spiritual upward mobility that we obviously need desperately. You seem to basically want to say that we're OK as we're born and that we don't need any of this. You almost seem to want to be patted on the back and be told you're OK the way you are, that there is no higher place. Or, if there is, Jesus isn't there. You don't want to be rebuked for your sin and yet others easily become the object of your scorn. In a very real way, you seem to have a religion of self and self satisfaction. You need to see it differently. You need to see it more like Fox and like Paul who said... (cont'd)
[Verified Murray] Murray
In Response To Jeanie pt 1
Saturday May 11, 2002 at 11:20
While you're away, I want to go back to something I said earlier to you. You obviously believe I have Jesus up too high. Can we agree that this is your view? However, I say that you bring Him down too low. You do not seem to be able to capture his magnitude. You give definitions and kind of luke warm respect to Him, but you do not seem to appreciate his power. Fox certainly did. Do you see that in his writings? At the very least, Fox saw Him in a high place. Higher than us. Do you see that also in Fox's writings? He said that the Spirit would lead us up to Christ and God. Why would we need to be led "up" unless we were already "down?" There is just something about Jesus Christ that calls us, tugs at us, leads us upward, empowers us and that gives our lives
[Verified dori] dori
In Response To Gerry et al
Saturday May 11, 2002 at 11:07
No time to yack today. I have to go pass out flyers at the mall. Catch ya later. Have a great day!
[Verified GerryB.] GerryB.
In Response To Murray
Saturday May 11, 2002 at 10:46
Good morning, brother.
Are you enjoying a good warm, sunny morning there in PA also?
[Verified dori] dori
In Response To RonB
Saturday May 11, 2002 at 10:44
Thank you for taking the time to post the excerpts from F. X. Weninger's book on your site. That took a lot of typing if you did that from the book. I hope you had a source from which to cut and paste. I think the Catholic view of the Holy Eucharistic is maybe the one most puzzling to non-Catholics. I hope they will take the time to read it sometime in their busy weekend. Thanks also for the verses where Jesus DOES refer to himself as the Christ. I know there are others, too, because they have been posted here before.
[Verified GerryB.] GerryB.
In Response To Jeanie
Saturday May 11, 2002 at 10:44
RE: "I can honor Jesus, love Jesus, respect his "office" and title, but worship belongs to God the Father alone."
Worship belongs to God alone. All three members of the Trinity are God and are worthy of our worship. There are several places where Jesus accepted worship from men.
"28And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God."
John 20:28(KJV).
If He was not God He would not have allowed Thomas to make that statement of worship. He would have rebuked him which the next sentence shows.
"29Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."
Not a word of rebuke there.
[Verified Murray] Murray
In Response To Coinkydink
Saturday May 11, 2002 at 10:38
"Each person is born with the capacity to know God, and is given a measure of light, the light of God by virtue of being born in the image of God."
If that's true, then why does Fox say, that we need to receive Christ Jesus in His light to be given the power to become the sons of God?
[Verified *Coinkydink] *Coinkydink
In Response To Murray & Gerry
Saturday May 11, 2002 at 10:37
This morning has been a good discussion...I'm sorry to interupt it, but my husband just tumbled out of bed and he's hungry! I will continue with you at a later date. TTFN
[Verified GerryB.] GerryB.
In Response To Jeanie
Saturday May 11, 2002 at 10:33
I don't know if you can understand this concept or not but Jesus was speaking in His earthly incarnation as a human being in those examples which you quote. As a human He was submissive to the Heavenly Father. As God He and the Holy Spirit are equal to the Heavenly Father because they and the Heavenly Father are one. Please put that two or three Gods idea out of your head. The trinity concept speaks of one God which is revealed in three persons.
" 5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"
Philippians 2:7(KJV).
[Verified Murray] Murray
In Response To Coinkydink
Saturday May 11, 2002 at 10:33
Believing and receiving are also not the same. Have you ever received Christ Jesus? Fox says that the Spirit that gave forth the Scriptures leads us up to Him. That means, at the very least, He is higher than us and always will be. You do not seem to see that. You always try to pull Him down somewhat. Do you also see the Scriptures as Fox does? Do you see that Fox said that those who gave forth the Scriptures spoke by the Holy Spirit?
[Verified *Coinkydink] *Coinkydink
In Response To Murray
Saturday May 11, 2002 at 10:32
Each person is born with the capacity to know God, and is given a measure of light, the light of God by virtue of being born in the image of God. I have been close to and watched many infants and see that they are innocent from birth, desiring to do that which is right,,,they aren't even naughty until many months later, and even then they will do what we teach them to do. There is no conscious ability to sin, only to respond to love or whatever we teach them.
[Verified Murray] Murray
In Response To Coinkydink
Saturday May 11, 2002 at 10:24
I was sent to turn people from darkness to the Light, that they might receive Christ Jesus; for to as many as should receive Him in His Light, I saw He would give power to become the sons of God; which power I had obtained by receiving Christ. I was to direct people to the Spirit that gave forth the Scriptures, by which they might be led into all truth, and up to Christ and God, as those had been who gave them forth.
From the autobiography of George Fox, Chapter 2
[Verified *Coinkydink] *Coinkydink
In Response To Murray
Saturday May 11, 2002 at 10:24
Believing and worship are two different things. perhaps you need to give your definition of "worship." To me it is much more than the love and respect due to the Christ, who came to help us worship God the Father... it is an all encompassing surrender to the creator, due only to God. Anything else would be idolatry.
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