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Date Posted: 20:14:06 02/25/06 Sat In reply to: Mike Norrod 's message, "Re: No Shame In This Game" on 10:37:12 02/25/06 Sat >><a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/printPe">http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/printPe</a> >d >>igree.php?dog_id=174096 >> >>This is a breeding we are proud to have the >>opportunity to make. From reviewing the "OFRN" which >>is now extinct, we are accepting the reality of simply >>referring to our RED NOSE stock as a Red Nose Family >>among many. > > >Gee John, what makes you think OFRN is extinct? >I can assure they are well and doing fine. > >I will agree with you that the OFR (Old Family Reds) >are extinct, the breed of dog imported from Ireland >back in the 1800's. > >But the strain in the breed of the APBT, OFRN is still >alive and continuing to be bred. > >BTW, the link didn't work for me. I don't know why. >Maybe it did for others or you have to be login to be >able to see it. > > >Mike Mike I understand what is being accepted today in most circles of red nose dogs with little consideration of genetic breeding as oppose to "color", "name" and "title". I'm not wanting to argue or fuss. I have no problem shifting ideas and stories, we are all capable of that. Sometimes the answers are still hidden. My point regarding the "extinction of OFRN" is based on the printed information in Mullin's review. As far as what came from Ireland in color or purpose is another subject. I do believe that many "fit" dogs came from Newburyport, Ma through the hands of John Colby,[many imports of many colors]. There also were other men from different parts of the USA that had a part in distributing and using dogs that came into this country as well. But John Colby in my opinion stands out among the rest during that particular era and introduction of the pit bull in this country with a specific purpose.William Lightner, Con Feeley,J.P. Colby, D.A. McClintock, Dan McCoy, Harvey and Owens, Ferguson, Ferrel, Conklin, Anderson, Bourgeous, Plemmons, Dickerson, Hanson, Williams, Roberts, Cole, Leo Kinard, Ed Chrenshaw, Joe Beal.... The story has it that Bob Hemphill decided to work with Lightner blood, "high caliber".With the aid of Dan McCoy it was understood that a Frenchmen who lived in Louisiana had Lightner blood clean and good. "High caliber". Extremely successful in "preserving" the red nose blood [Lightner]. Well I'm sure you know how the account continues. Those dogs that Bob Hemphill got back in the 1920's, were not ill tempered nor were they man biters? If so why would he refer to looking for Red Nose dogs as being of "High caliber"? Why would he [Bob Hemphill] except Red dogs from a person who had less to offer? [Bourgeous] Bill Lightner was considered to be a "great breeder", would he allow misfits to go out of his yard? I don't think so. According to Mullin's account there were several good Red Nose dogs that came "up front". Centipede and Wiiliam's Red. Others were known for producing quality dogs. There was a very brief period when Red Nose dogs made an acceptable mark, then later dropped by most fanciers for the bigger, better dogs. The "Old Family Red Nose" that are extinct today come from the dogs, people and time era mentioned in Mullin's account or review. As a matter of fact he never uses the term "Old Family" in that reveiw when referring to the Red Nose dogs that came down from J.P. Colby, Lightner, Bourgeous, Hemphill, Harvey and Owens,Ferguson and Wallace. Dan McCoy begin the cliche "Old Family Red Nose" simply for identification purposes to distinghish, obviously one group of red nose dogs, from perhaps another? So Mike, in this sense no one has those type of RED DOGS today. In past post I have said, "What we see today is a version of what it use to be, but not the real deal". Those Red Dogs of the distant past were not loose cannons, nor were they bred for being just "crazy game". In most cases they demonstrated the entire pit bull and have been recognized by a very, very few as the epitome of the true game pit bull. Friend to man, never lose or give up in any challenge of mind or body. Those old breeders of pit bulls, I doubt would breed to crap. It violates intelligence and science. J. P. Colby was so good at producing above average dogs that he was able to support a family of 8. Today his line represents 100 years of Colby heritage, both in the dogs and as a honorable family. No fast lane, hard bitin dog can beat that, even though the Colby line is talked down by many so called Mr. Know it alls, it still stands on its own merit and is being used by a few folks. Like the pedigree I posted. Red Nose Family/Colby. Just for your record, I am not OFBA. My dogs are not OFBA. One of my foundation bitches is from OFBA. Primarily, OFBA COPPERHEAD, along with a few others. My line is "John Dogs", color don't matter but it helps genetically to determine which way the breeding wave is headed. I don't know how so many people are of different table manners when it comes to recgonizing certain Red Nose Family? My thought is that somtimes people go crazy when they can't get what they want from these dogs.... FigTreeJohn realdogs@aol.com [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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| Re: No Shame In This Game | Mike Norrod (67.177.152.140) | 11:06:02 02/26/06 Sun |
| Re: No Shame In This Game | Mike Norrod (67.177.152.140) | 11:07:16 02/26/06 Sun |