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Date Posted: 23:38:06 04/09/05 Sat
Author: Shane
Subject: UBF clones
In reply to: Joe 's message, "you don't understand the point here" on 20:47:23 04/09/05 Sat

When I was in the LA UBF there was an attempt made by some students to contemporize the Sunday service. There was guitar, drums and a couple of students led the audience in modern Christian songs. But the UBF missionaries didn�t really like it and they went back to the old stodgy, dull �Hymn 11� routine after some of these students left. This shows one reason why UBF is such a failure as a movement. They refuse to reach out to young people in their own culture and generation. Quite the contrary, they try and make students of today fit their UBF mold. This is why American UBF leaders look and sound so weird. Wasn�t Paul who said he became all things to all people to win them to Christ? Hey, guess what UBF clones�.God doesn�t expect every generation to sing the same songs! Wow what a thought!

>I think the point for some is that UBF has become its
>own little denomination, with its own inflexible
>customs, traditions and such. I think people were more
>comparing their experiences and making observations
>about these common traits in UBF chapters rather than
>just criticizing UBF. Chris' point of criticism was
>that Kaleb Hong lied about yet another thing when he
>claimed that his chapter was "independent."
>
>Another valid point made was that though attempts
>might be made to make the START OF UBF worship more
>contemporary, the rest of the worship is just plain
>snore-inducing, messages are still the same stunted
>based-on-Lee's teaching garbage, the "presider" tries
>to show "much spirit" as he announces what's next, and
>the messenger basically just reads the manuscript with
>maybe a few "motions" thrown in. Maybe the young are
>to be commended for trying to introduce a contemporary
>START to the worship, but what does it say about the
>elders and leaders who run the REMAINDER of the
>worship? But all this is moot anyway (so I guess I
>agree with you there); it's what UBF teaches in the
>"worship" messages that is the most troubling.
>
>PECAS' point is also valid, probably in your own
>unnamed chapter despite your claim to the contrary;
>almost everything in UBF is some kind of "training,"
>therefore, nothing is pure, not even the "privilege"
>to perform music on Sunday.
>
>>in another post here someone said: "the leaders will
>>manipulate the sheep by using singsperation and other
>>opportunities to perform music as a carrot. For
>>example, the sheep will have to come to the worship
>>service every Sunday, go fishing at least once or
>>twice per week, feed sheep, and write testimonies in
>>order to perform with the singsperation team."
>>that's just rubbish, sorry. ok, i only can speak for
>>my own chapter, but such things NEVER happened here. i
>>don't know if you believe me. but especially we as
>>"2nd gens" enjoy singing and worshipping - no matter
>>whether it's ccm or traditional hymns. sure, for
>>younger service attendants ccm songs are quite more
>>interesting but that's not the main important point
>>for a sunday worship service, right? we don't prepare
>>songs just because someone tells us and we obey.
>>nobody controls our choir practices and nobody tells
>>us which songs to sing and nobody disturbs our
>>performances by telling what to do and what not to do.
>>we just want to enjoy God and actually, we really want
>>to create a "good atmosphere" for the worship service
>>(though there may be people here who doubt that) and
>>there's nobody here standing in our way. is there
>>anything bad about it? i doubt it...

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Traditional vs. contemporary music -- Chris, 05:50:13 04/10/05 Sun