Date Posted:18:39:00 04/10/05 Sun Author: Chris Subject: Re: hum... i don't understand the point here In reply to:
Elia
's message, "Re: hum... i don't understand the point here" on 17:37:07 04/10/05 Sun
Elia, if you want to have an example for the manipulation we are talking about, and how music is used as a means for this, you can read the new testimony on ubf-info.de, it's available in German language now.
The twisted focus of UBF Bible messages has been sufficiently discussed here and on various web pages.
You said you don't see all of these problems in your chapter. But I'm sure you see at lot of them. The leader of your chapter had kicked out the first reformers in Germany, do you remember? Cologne played a very infamous role during the reform movement in 2001 and is responsible for the big division where more than half of the German UBF chapters were pushed away and labelled "rebels" because of the hardliners, your chapter leader being the top one of these hardliner people at that time. He prefered to co-work with people like Peter Chang in Bonn instead of the reformers.
>>Chris' point of criticism was that Kaleb Hong lied about yet another thing when he claimed that his chapter was "independent."
>i didn't negate that. i just said, in MY chapter things aren't that way.
In which respect is it different? In that your chapter IS independent from Chicago and DOES NOT copy from Chicago? Or in that the leader of your chapter, contrary to Kaleb Hong, ADMITS that he is dependent of Chicago?
