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Date Posted: 01:53:16 04/30/05 Sat
Author: Rob Prebble
Subject: Re: UBF Toledo
In reply to: Shepherdess 's message, "Re: UBF Toledo" on 19:57:32 04/29/05 Fri

"Regardless of your experience, or even those who claim
to share your experiences, you are completely
marginalizing the experiences of those who found Christ and mission through UBF."

My experience in being an active member of the Great Lakes Region UBF was that UBF was an extremely marginalizing experience. I was taught in bible studies and in Sunday messages that all other Christians were old Christians and that only UBF members were a "new wine skin people". In fact, as the only regular Canadian member of Hamilton UBF over ten years I became extremely isolated and marginalized from any form of healthy and godly Christian community. It has taken me several years to adjust to relating to other people.

"but you are attacking people who you don't even know, people who have done nothing to you, people >who live productive lives in this society, people who have jobs, people who have children--children who have to hear your lies while they are watching tv after school, people who have families."

Wrong. I do know you. In fact I lived in Toiledo for half a year in 1997-1998. I am quite familiar with most leadership in the Toledo UBf. I am also aware of how I was personally attacked by Paul Hong. I am very much aware of how Paul Hong used my marraige as a political football in his battle with the Kupers. I am very much aware of how unaccountable Paul Hong and the leadership of Toledo UBF really is and how they have hurt and damaged many peoples lives.

"I understand, however, how much easier it is to vent
into this faceless, anonymous space, where you don't
have to face the reality of what your actions do to
others."

Discussion with Toledo has been made in an open forum and there has been no repentance, no change in behaviour. Future UT students must be warned about the real dangers of belonging to an authoritarian mind controlling group like the Toledo UBF. If this forum has helped even one person leave the Toledo UBf, then it has been a success.

"I hope that you find the peace you seek at the expense
of no one else. May Christ heal all of your wounds."

May God give you peace and a conscience to see the damage that UBF has done to so many people under the guise of campus mission activity.

God bless you

Robert

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Re: UBF Toledo -- Chris, 02:58:23 04/30/05 Sat

Re: UBF Toledo -- ChicagoXile, 07:24:01 04/30/05 Sat

Re: UBF Toledo -- Chris, 10:45:29 04/30/05 Sat