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Date Posted: 02:58:23 04/30/05 Sat
Author: Chris
Subject: Re: UBF Toledo
In reply to: Shepherdess 's message, "Re: UBF Toledo" on 19:57:32 04/29/05 Fri

Do you think God so weak that he would not be able to overcome the corruption of men?

Ok, so your answer is that nothing should be done about corruption of men, even if the corruption happens in the church? That's what you are saying here. This is a very dangerous, unbiblical mindset that fosters corruption and aids cult leaders.

Start thinking about this idea. Your question is a rhetorical question. Of course God is strong enough to do anything since he is almighty. Does that mean that we should stop doing anything because God can do it Himself? Why do you engage in campus mission? Do you think God is so weak that he needs your help on the campus?

Do you see the logical fallacy in your claims?

Please read the epistles of Paul and other Apostles in the New Testament, and read what Jesus preached. A large part of this was pointing out the corruption of men, grievances in the church and problems with the practice of faith. According to you, they should have been silent, because God should care about these things.

Yes, one day Mr. Hong and Ms. Barry will have to account for all their wrongdoings, and it will be too late for them if they do not repent. God will overcome their corruption anyway, right. But the outcome will be very sad if we simply wait for that day.

Also, please note that nobody "attacked" you. Things have been criticized, and the critism concerns the top leaders of UBF such as Mr. Hong and Ms. Barry, and the unbiblical practices and teachings of UBF. If you see this as a personal attack or "persecution," that's your problem. I call it legitimate criticism. If they were only "people who live productive lives in this society, people who have jobs, people who have children" and people who are leaders of a healthy church, nobody would criticize them. But it happens that these people are cult leaders who exert undue authority over others and spiritually abuse people. By the way, Ms. Barry has no children and no job. Other top leaders like Mr. Hong and Mr. Chang in Germany have no jobs and do not live productive lives in this society, but exploit people and live from offering money.

Another point, anonymous shepherdess. You complain that we are anonymous (which is not true, most of us have revealed our identity and email addresses on this board), but you write anonymously yourself. You claimed that we are lying. Please substantiate your claim. Are we lying when we are saying that UBF arranges marriage? Please start to become real and concrete.

Let me ask you another question: Do you think it is good that people warn of Jehovah's Witnesses, Moon or other cults in the Internet? Do you think these cults don't have members who have done nothing to you, people who live productive lives in this society, people who have jobs, people who have children? Is this sufficient to suppress any criticism of them?

To summarize, we are not attacking people like you, but the UBF system. If you identify as a person so much with UBF that you cannot distinguish this from a personal attack, this should be a warning sign to you that your bondage to UBF is already very unhealthy.

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Re: UBF Toledo -- ChicagoXile, 07:24:01 04/30/05 Sat
- Re: UBF Toledo -- Chris, 10:45:29 04/30/05 Sat