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Date Posted: 12:32:17 12/29/04 Wed
Author: Shane
Subject: Isaac Kim and Paul Hong
In reply to: bj 's message, "Re: Regarding SB" on 03:38:02 12/29/04 Wed

Hello,
You asked about their personalities and integrity. I know both Isaac Kim and Paul Hong. Being in LA for seven years I know I. Kim alot more then Paul Hong.

Perhaps its the translation but I don't have a problem with Isaac Kim's "personality" its his beliefs in UBF that I have a problem with. In anycase I see the point of your question.
Isaac Kim did not carry out all of the things that Sam Lee did. There were no beatings and no forced abortions.(that I know of) But, he does believe in the "shepherding" system of evagelism. Because of this he had the spirit of absolute power and many times had the attitude of a dictator. His 'friends' would be rewarded in various ways. Those that went negative on UBF, he went negative on them. There was a practice of 'demonizing' those that left UBF.
He has the typical pyramid structure set up with missionaries under him willing to do his bidding. This has the potential for great harm because there is the attitude that if they do things 'for God' then they are not bound by God's moral laws.

But his second in command summed it up quite nicely when he said "obey me like you obey God". What do you think about this statement?

I have given you a general overview, I can always get more specific if you want

Shane

>1] Dears!
> I hope God blesses to you all,through our
>reveration to Him, at this time heading into the start
>point of 2005.
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> Malachi 4:2 " But for you that honor my name,
>victory will shine like the sun with healing in its
>rays, and you will jump around like calves at play."
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>2] The reason why I am mentioning the issue of
>truliness of the story about "princess of Mississipi"
>is;
> Previously someone said "the stories are absolute
>lies."
> Afterthen, that issue became one of the irritating
>problems regarding ubf's identity to me.
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> So, when I am seeing the piece of her story, I can't
>help but saying to you about that issue again.
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> In this piece, SB says her father and brother both
>had their own airplanes(though small), and their
>family had a
>family museum , and there were many many workers in
>their farm.
>....... But she says that she likes and thanks about
>this way of life(;serving many students) than the way
>as "a princess of Mississipi". Because this way of
>life gave her more satisfaction from the heart and she
>doesn't regret her past decisions.
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>3) To Dear Shane: once I asked to JJ about the
>personalities of LA ubf's director and Toledo
>ubf's(Paul Hong), with some suspicion of their
>integrities. But JJ
>denies absolutely denied about their problems.
>So, I couldn't go further. What's your opinion about
>them?
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>>There are already 3 pieces of SB's testimony in
>>Kookmin-ilbo.(proposed to be a seires of 10 pieces)
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>>address of 'piece 1'--->
>>http://www.kmib.co.kr/html/kmview/2004/1226/0919653883
>2
>>3111215.html
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>>'piece 2'--->
>>http://www.kmib.co.kr/html/kmview/2004/1227/0919654556
>2
>>3111215.html
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>>'piece 3'--->
>>http://www.kmib.co.kr/html/kmview/2004/1228/0919655715
>2
>>3111215.html
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>>In the above 'piece 1', she said about young days as a
>>"princess of Mississipi". That seemed to be very
>>reliable.
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>>Just I'm following up this thread. If you guys have
>>any Korean friend nearby, please check those pieces.
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>>Thanks.
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>>>Hello to all.
>>>Tuesday this week, S.Barry came to our center after
>>>her trip to Philipine UBF conference.
>>>She will going to give her life testimony regarding
>>>UBF(10 pieces serially) in the major christian
>>>newspaper soon.
>>>
>>>By the way, as my wife told to me yesterday, when SB
>>>came to our UBF center(snu3.ubf.or.kr), she told all
>>>the members sit together round. She recommended all
>>>say about his/her yearly key verses. During that
>time,
>>>one woman leader said to her "I admire you"(Surely
>she
>>>said this from her sincere mind, not from a unsound
>>>mind).
>>>About hearing this, SB said(I was absent at that
>time)
>>>"you shoudn't say such thing to me. you should say
>>>such thing only to Jesus."
>>>I beleve SB's sincerety in this event.
>>>
>>>But if I was there, I probably asked 3 things below
>if
>>>with conditions permited.
>>>One, possibility of physical relationship(As Nick
>said
>>>before 2-3 times without sure evidence).
>>>Two, "What do you think of those bad things in C-UBF
>>>and Korea-past and recent, Bonn?"
>>>Three, the truliness of her past identity as a "
>>>princess of Mississipi".(When I asked about this to
>>>JJ, he said all are true and added further that he
>had
>>>been to there, Mississipi by himself with some
>>others.)
>>>
>>>What do you guys think of my thoughts?

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Replies:

Re: Isaac Kim and Paul Hong -- Anon, 23:58:02 12/30/04 Thu
- Re: Isaac Kim and Paul Hong -- Shane, 21:43:49 12/31/04 Fri